Jayjg's last stand, Fights to keep his WP:POINTy "apartheid" article Options

[Heat]

About a year ago, Jayjg lost all of the "Allegations of [name of country here]-ian Apartheid" articles which he and his meatpuppets had carefully built in a desperate attempt to make "Israeli apartheid" seem to be a run of the mill allegation.

Now, it's down to the ridiculous "Allegations of apartheid" article which Jayjg created years ago and then redirected only to recreate it in an attempt to make a WP:POINT about "Allegations of Israeli apartheid".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...h_nomination%29

[that one guy]

you build a pov article, expect it to be either A. torn apart till it's npov, or B. deleted.

[Viridae]

Any reason this is in the tar pit?

[guy]

Any reason this is in the tar pit?

It seems to have been created there. Moving to the Jayjg forum.

[Heat]

Jayjg's problem is he thinks he's being clever when he's actually his own worst enemy. He really, really wants to delete that Israeli apartheid article so what does he do? He creates an obstacle to it being deleted. How could anyone logically argue for deleting Israeli apartheid when an inferior "Allegations of apartheid" article exists? You can't argue in favor of keeping an article dubious allegations of apartheid while at the same time arguing that a better sourced article on Israeli apartheid should be deleted. He's put himself and his meatpuppets in a Catch-22 situation and his arrogance and pride stops him from breaking out of it. It truly is magnificent to watch. Most people would realize that deleting "Allegations of apartheid" is the necessary first step to take if you want to delete Israeli apartheid but not Jay and because his meatpuppets unthinkingly follow his lead on these things he's guaranteed the undeletable status of the Israeli apartheid article.

[One]

Jayjg's problem is he thinks he's being clever when he's actually his own worst enemy. He really, really wants to delete that Israeli apartheid article so what does he do? He creates an obstacle to it being deleted. How could anyone logically argue for deleting Israeli apartheid when an inferior "Allegations of apartheid" article exists? You can't argue in favor of keeping an article dubious allegations of apartheid while at the same time arguing that a better sourced article on Israeli apartheid should be deleted. He's put himself and his meatpuppets in a Catch-22 situation and his arrogance and pride stops him from breaking out of it. It truly is magnificent to watch. Most people would realize that deleting "Allegations of apartheid" is the necessary first step to take if you want to delete Israeli apartheid but not Jay and because his meatpuppets unthinkingly follow his lead on these things he's guaranteed the undeletable status of the Israeli apartheid article.

No, I don't think that's what he's doing.

I think you have it right in your first post. Having decisively lost the deletion battle (and I think that the number of inclusionists+Palestinian sympathizers are great enough to throw any AfD--there are enough sources for nonpartisan inclusionists to keep), he decided to make allegations of apartheid look routine. Basically, he wanted a taxobox in the Israel article that said "allegations of apartheid series" and listed two dozen other countries.

If you can't delete an unfriendly article, you can at least make the accusations therein look absurdly frivolous (along with "allegations of Belgian apartheid" and whatever else).

This post has been edited by One: Wed 9th July 2008, 2:25am

[Heat]

Indeed. And Jay's trying very hard to cover that up in an edit war with CJCurrie on the AFD itself!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

[Heat]

Now liefern's gotten in on the act http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=224814678

I thought editing someone else's comments was a big no-no. How do Jay and his meatpuppets get away with it?

[Saltimbanco]

They're Jay and his meatpuppets! Duh!

[Heat]

Now liefern's gotten in on the act http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=224814678

I thought editing someone else's comments was a big no-no. How do Jay and his meatpuppets get away with it?

Sorry, I forget about the "Jayjg exemption" rule.

It's been brought up on ANI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...nt_by_nominator

[Cobalt]

Sorry, I forget about the "Jayjg exemption" rule.

It's been brought up on ANI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...nt_by_nominator

Y'know, if I didn't have better things to do, I'd make an account, find all of these discussions, and where personal attacks appear, just remind everyone to "WP:AGF" and be "WP:CIVIL" and just see how much time elapses until I'm blocked.

[LaraLove]

Y'know, if I didn't have better things to do, I'd make an account, find all of these discussions, and where personal attacks appear, just remind everyone to "WP:AGF" and be "WP:CIVIL" and just see how much time elapses until I'm blocked.

... or promoted to admin. It could go either way for this is As the Wiki-globe Turns.

[Cobalt]

Y'know, if I didn't have better things to do, I'd make an account, find all of these discussions, and where personal attacks appear, just remind everyone to "WP:AGF" and be "WP:CIVIL" and just see how much time elapses until I'm blocked.

... or promoted to admin. It could go either way for this is As the Wiki-globe Turns.

Ha! I'd be the worst admin. I'd just stop, at that point. Or maybe that'd make me one of the better ones.

Never gonna happen though.

[guy]

Ha! I'd be the worst admin.

Really?

[LaraLove]

Ha! I'd be the worst admin.

Really?

I agree with guy. I don't think you've thought that through. You would have to put a lot of effort into being the worst admin. Srsly.

[Cobalt]

Ha! I'd be the worst admin.

Really?

I agree with guy. I don't think you've thought that through. You would have to put a lot of effort into being the worst admin. Srsly.

By worst, I meant "put no effort into it." Not "worst" like what we document here.

[Heat]

Ha! Kendrick7 and Jayjg meatpuppet 6SJ7 are now edit-warring over the title
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

[Proabivouac]

One of the great ironies here is that, back in 2006, Maisonsurlagamme created several articles of more or less the same nature, Global Apartheid, Gender Apartheid, Sexual Apartheid, etc., in order to justify the existence of an Apartheid (disambiguation) page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=56055835
The point was so that anyone who searched for "Apartheid," instead of going to the article about the actual historical Apartheid, arrived on this page with Israel directly beneath South Africa.

You can also see this Maison sock, User:Sonofzion, creating an article "Apartheid" to accomplish the same purpose, to make it seem like "Apartheid" is some general phenomenon of which South Africa and Israel provide examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=60233061

[Rootology]

Aren't these supposed to be under probation?

[Milton Roe]

They're Jay and his meatpuppets! Duh!

Jay and the Meatpuppets I thought were a little-known 50's Do-Wop group. Or they might be from the 60's. I'm trying to think of a hit....

This Wiki Cat
Jay J G and the Meatboys (Apologies to Gary Lewis and the Playboys)

Who wants to tryyyyy….. to RfD this thiiiing,
Still mentions Palastinians now, and I don’t like that sceeene.

This Wiki Cat doesn’t work for me anymore,
And this Wiki Cat doesn’t mean what it meant before,
So if you’ve got … apartheid guys …. in screws,
Oppressors can’t be Jews!

This POV is genuine, like truth should be…eee
And if your view is precious like… my view sure is for me…eee,

Then this Wiki Cat must mean Southern Africa
And this Wiki Cat has to mean Nelson Mandela
And we can’t run… comparisons… like water
Especially from Jimmy Carter…