Grace Sherwood, Today's FA, plagiarized by Rlevse Options

[thekohser]

You've rather made my point here. Your "column" isn't attempting to be journalism, its just your personal place to rant, re-interpreting reality to suit your agenda. It's a political attack piece, not journalism. Fair enough, but stop pretending it is something else.

I'm the first to condemn plagiarism, so I'm not sure this attack fits the fact......oh, wait, that doesn't matter, of course.

You haven't checked back on the article, I'm sure; but I did make some attempt to modify the text to appease you and your Nazi-like attempt to stifle the free press.

[thekohser]

Defending proper standards of journalism is hardly siding with plagiarists or siding with the Nazis. Congrats on not even waiting a few posts before lumping people who suggest you aren't telling all sides of a story with genocidal fascists. If calling you out on your constant and tiring self-promotion is being an embarrassment... well, then I'm an embarrassment.

It's my homage to the departed Mike Godwin, Mr. Fox. I'm glad that you finally recognize what an embarrassment you are, though. So, we're making progress.

[Doc glasgow]

You've rather made my point here. Your "column" isn't attempting to be journalism, its just your personal place to rant, re-interpreting reality to suit your agenda. It's a political attack piece, not journalism. Fair enough, but stop pretending it is something else.

I'm the first to condemn plagiarism, so I'm not sure this attack fits the fact......oh, wait, that doesn't matter, of course.

You haven't checked back on the article, I'm sure; but I did make some attempt to modify the text to appease you and your Nazi-like attempt to stifle the free press.

"Press" ha!

Maybe someday, you'll understand the difference between facts and facts embelished to illustrate The Truth ™.

If we're stooping to Nazi analogies, can I suggest your concept of objectivity is one Goebbels would have been proud of.

[Zoloft]

You've rather made my point here. Your "column" isn't attempting to be journalism, its just your personal place to rant, re-interpreting reality to suit your agenda. It's a political attack piece, not journalism. Fair enough, but stop pretending it is something else.

I'm the first to condemn plagiarism, so I'm not sure this attack fits the fact......oh, wait, that doesn't matter, of course.

You haven't checked back on the article, I'm sure; but I did make some attempt to modify the text to appease you and your Nazi-like attempt to stifle the free press.

"Press" ha!

Maybe someday, you'll understand the difference between facts and facts embelished to illustrate The Truth ™.

If we're stooping to Nazi analogies, can I suggest your concept of objectivity is one Goebbels would have been proud of.

If we're all gonna throw 'Nazi' at each other, can I be Colonel Klink?

[SB_Johnny]

If we're all gonna throw 'Nazi' at each other, can I be Colonel Klink?

As long as I can yell "Dummkopf!" at least once between each commercial break .

[A Horse With No Name]

It's my homage to the departed Mike Godwin, Mr. Fox.

Foxy Mama ain't a mister...she's a hot chili mama!

[Zoloft]

If we're all gonna throw 'Nazi' at each other, can I be Colonel Klink?

As long as I can yell "Dummkopf!" at least once between each commercial break .

*adjusts monocle*
Your line is "I know nozzing!"
Dummkopf!

This post has been edited by Zoloft: Tue 2nd November 2010, 2:04pm

[powercorrupts]

And wouldn't you know it, the citizen press has picked up on this story already!

In your article you have said that other content added by Rlevse, in addition to Grace Sherwood, has been found to contain copyvios; are they listed somewhere?

That was a mistake on my part, misinterpreting other commentary I had been reading. My statement has been revised to say:

After more analysts weighed in on Everette's content pasting, it became increasingly clear that his was but another example in a series of Arbitration Committee members copying other people's work as their own.

Why don't you and other Examiner contributors get together to edit each others work or something? I know it's not that well paid, but any press ('free' or not) that is self-editing, will eventually end up screwing up to a point were it either gets into serious trouble, or simply fails to maintain credibility, and consequently struggles to stay afloat. Everyone knows the pitfalls that come with editing yourself - it's why papers have large editing teams.

What annoys me off about The Examiner (you could pass this on to them) is that it is one of those "nation-wide" websites that is clearly US-only, but gives no direct indication of this. It just gives the impression that Americans think the entire internet is American, and it annoys Brits like me all the time (although casually annoying Brit's is national pastime in the US, I do realise that). I'm not asking for it to be dotted with flags (it's mercifully free of that) - just provide the words 'USA' or 'America' somewhere on the homepage (or to actually be se-friendly, on each page). It can't be that hard.

By 'editor' btw I mean someone who asks the pertinent questions, not necessarily double-checks all the research. It seems to me that in a cheeky kind of way you use WR for this. You clearly have a pretty thick skin!

And wouldn't you know it, the citizen press has picked up on this story already!

In your article you have said that other content added by Rlevse, in addition to Grace Sherwood, has been found to contain copyvios; are they listed somewhere?

I notice that it's your Day this weekend. Are you doing anything nice for it?

I might go on a rampage and delete all the bloody barnstars; that would be nice.

That would be outstanding.

[thekohser]

Pssst...

Everybody but Doc...

When do you think Doc is going to ken to the fact that I am, indeed, using Examiner.com as an attack platform, and not as a segue into a new career in reputable "free press" journalism? Besides, I thought Wikipedia and its ilk are killing that very industry. Why would Doc be pushing me to align with a journalism trade that he's simultaneously helping to put out of business? Didn't he get Jimbo's memo that the future of journalism is citizen journalism? I am just obeying Jimbo's call.

I would have put this in the 300 Club, but Doc can also read there.

[A Horse With No Name]

If we're all gonna throw 'Nazi' at each other, can I be Colonel Klink?

Only if I can be Batman and Lar can be Robin:

[Zoloft]

If we're all gonna throw 'Nazi' at each other, can I be Colonel Klink?

Only if I can be Batman and Lar can be Robin:

Sticking with the meme, you're Corporal Newkirk.

Greg Kohs would be Corporal LeBeau, always appearing behind Wikipedia's lines.

[powercorrupts]

They make it so easy to return 'after the break' don't they? So if things get too hot for you, what do you do? Retire pronto. It's like a kind of self-imposed 'soft block'. All he'll regret is throwing his bits out on his way, but I expect there's a way of getting them immediately back.

His talk page is already full of stuff like this (an it is one of the less sickly ones);

"I would hope that even the most vociferous of your critics would prefer that you continued but with future edits in line with that policy, rather than leaving the project. I suspect that in the future you would rather be "Rlevse who had this hiccup in his wiki career but had the most successful RFA of 2011", and not "Rlevse who left in 2010 on this note". By all means take a break, but please don't let this be the end. ϢereSpielChequers 12:58 pm, Today (UTC+0) "

Wikipedia is a "career" alright. But will he really have to sit out an RFA again? The reality is surely that - even with his many supporters - it would hardly be the 'landslide of 2011': I imagine at least a fair amount of dissent.

The fascinating thing reading through his Talk page comments is how willing people are to put someone's "work ethic" before - basically - theft. Being prolific actually says nothing in itself - and too many Wikipedians take the lead from the trumpet work of user pages, or are simply backing one of the boys. But the 'Wikipedia uber alles' crowd also seem genuinely blind to fact that plagiarism (and worse) really is stealing someone else's work. It's just no 'small matter' at al, and what kind of encyclopedia do these people want? The madness is that the standards have always been so very low. How often you log in and do bollocks like 'DidYouKnow?' means jack shit.

This post has been edited by powercorrupts: Wed 3rd November 2010, 7:03pm

[powercorrupts]

As there are similar threads in Articles and Annex, neither created to deal directly with Rlevse's retirement, maybe a mod should make a 'Rleves retires' thread in Editors (and move comments to it, or my commment above if nothing else). It might make more sense out of 'Rlevse returns' appearing in a short while.

[pablo]

I might go on a rampage and delete all the bloody barnstars; that would be nice.

Do it. It's got to happen someday, barnstars and "dear awesome wikipedian have a nice day dear" do not help.

[SB_Johnny]

As there are similar threads in Articles and Annex, neither created to deal directly with Rlevse's retirement, maybe a mod should make a 'Rleves retires' thread in Editors (and move comments to it, or my commment above if nothing else). It might make more sense out of 'Rlevse returns' appearing in a short while.

Seconded. Maybe split out another thread too regarding Greg's journalism chops as well.

[EricBarbour]

I might go on a rampage and delete all the bloody barnstars; that would be nice.

Do it. It's got to happen someday, barnstars and "dear awesome wikipedian have a nice day dear" do not help.

Yeah, but if all that crap disappeared, newcomers might not realize how
juvenile and neurotic WP's culture really is. Just a giant Facebook posing
as a "resource".

[thekohser]

I don't know if this is old news, but Jimbo (predictably) weighs in on how awful plagiarism is, but that you'll be welcomed back into the project if you're sent packing because of it.

[powercorrupts]

I don't know if this is old news, but Jimbo (predictably) weighs in on how awful plagiarism is, but that you'll be welcomed back into the project if you're sent packing because of it.

Spoken like a true political leader. Did Rlevse jump before he was pushed?

In terms of Wikipedia's global image (and what people generally understand about Wikipedia's weaknesses), plagiarism is something Wales will want to be seen by all as finding quite unacceptable on every level. For legal reasons too, of course. You never know what stresses Wikimedia are under with their financiers: a lot will always go on that's out of site with a company that still relies so much on outside support.

[powercorrupts]

I might go on a rampage and delete all the bloody barnstars; that would be nice.

Do it. It's got to happen someday, barnstars and "dear awesome wikipedian have a nice day dear" do not help.

Yeah, but if all that crap disappeared, newcomers might not realize how
juvenile and neurotic WP's culture really is. Just a giant Facebook posing
as a "resource".

That's actually a good point: the barnstars really do show WP up for what it is. Nobody with any serious integrity puts up with seeing them for more than horrified hour or two. But of course the business model of Wikipedia is for to be Half-Facebook, and ultimately as aimless as gossipy conversation. They really don't want serious academics re-writing and polishing up articles.

[Kelly Martin]

They really don't want serious academics re-writing and polishing up articles.

Well, no, they do, just not very much, and not so that it causes trouble with anyone else.

Wikipedia measures success based on three metrics: number of page views, number of active editors, and number of dollars collected. All else is irrelevant, except to the extent that it benefits one of those three metrics, and the last most of all.