In-Url Retentiveness : Attention Defecate Disorder, That's My Diagnosis Of WP And I'm Sticking To It Options Rating

[Jon Awbrey]

Hey, I Can Do Psy-Pops, Too —

I know it's not the most titillating Chapter in Wiki-Psychopathia Sexualis, but long-continued observation of the Wiki-Pathological Syndrome has convinced me that it's an aggressive and virulent form of In-Url Retentiveness Complex (IURC) that lies closest to the deep dim ♥ of the matter.

Jon

[Viridae]

Don't you have your own forum for this sort of thing?

[Jon Awbrey]

Don't you have your own forum for this sort of thing?

Your assumption then being that a Moderator of a Forum is its Owner?

Jon

[Jon Awbrey]

What is In-Url Retentiveness (IUR), you ask?

It is the neurotic desire to have all links pointing into, but no links pointing out of one's extended identity.

For Wikipediots, whose Extended Identity (XID) is the complex of many-splintered WMF sites, you could be forgiven for thinking that this neurotic desire borders on e-rotic obsession, but you would be wrong about that — it crossed that border a long time ago.

This is my best current explanation for a phenomenon that has been puzzling me ever since I first became acquainted with Wikipedism, to wit, or not, the fact that Wikipediots would rather content themselves with lower quality information — so long as it comes by way of purely internal links — than link to higher quality information from outside their closed cult circle.

Jon

This post has been edited by Jon Awbrey: Mon 15th September 2008, 7:28pm

[Jon Awbrey]

I am going to detach my incidental musements on Urlinary Complexes from their point of origin and continue developing them here — the other thread has taken an ugly but all too familiar turn and become Yet Another Brouhaha About The Un-Holy Land (YABATUHL).

On the Frequency and Direction of Urlination : Drives and Their Pississitudes

It is my custom to avoid any topics that have some people's names in their titles, but the constant urgings of this thread in our communal stall forced me — ½-wittingly ½-wizzingly — to dilatate on the linkages that might exist between the symptoms of En-Url Retentiveness, formerly observed in those e-flicted with the more acute forms of the WP-WC Complex, and this new outbreak of Urlinary Aggressiveness, whose sufferers seem compulsively obsessed with making everyone else suffer their own morbid fascinations.

It drove me to the extremities of digging out my dusty old collection of monographs by Freud, stuff that even Freud set aside with the vicissitudes of his early seduction theories.

But let's not go there …

Just yet …

Jon

[zvook]

The early principle "Build the Web" (WP:BUILD as was, complete history, compare WP:Allwiki) dates and institutionalizes a tendency to conflate WP with WWW.

It's now the subject of squabbles and editwars and a merge to WP:Linking stemming from User:Tony1's concerns about what he sees as overlinking, which are in turn related to the current date linking wars, and are causing him a lot of problems.

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Two drives to contribute unpaid to a massively open, hugely read educational project perhaps worth noting. One is altruism and the other, manipulation. The first will have an attendant idealism likely to be tainted by discovery of the second. Discouragement and disengagement by the idealist follows and the area is left to the second.

Does that lead then to all topics becoming manipulated? With general axe-grinding, one side having the zeal and numbers of the other, the upper-hand gained when push to comes to shove by those who can claim nearest the mainstream by the willingness to become the enemy, and the additional tough-guy methods to drive off opponents ranging from making editing unpleasant to banination? Of course very probably nobody is het-up about urination except, well, people who are het-up about urination.

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Retentiveness is useful for walled gardens and the prevention of other resources being checked, short of whatever references are provided (and if we accept it exists, it acts against checking of these also, natch). It's also hella useful for the same reasons religions build conversion into their marriage criteria, to up the numbers and propagate the attendant dogma.

[Eva Destruction]

Far be it from me to derail the topic but it needs to be pointed out that Wikipedia is absolutely full of outward-pointing links, including 900+ to WR alone.

[zvook]

Far be it from me to derail the topic but it needs to be pointed out that Wikipedia is absolutely full of outward-pointing links, including 900+ to WR alone.

I'm not sure it does, since JA is talking about a state of mind, and furthermore a desire of that state of mind. I think I called it a tendency above. I'm not sure if he's serious about the sexual metaphors having import. I'm not even sure he's sure.

[Jon Awbrey]

Far be it from me to derail the topic but it needs to be pointed out that Wikipedia is absolutely full of outward-pointing links, including 900+ to WR alone.

Sorry, but my sources tell me that the BADSITES Brigade is busier, more automated, and more knee-jerk than it's ever been before — it went global and underground and disguises itself under a host of other names, but the abject fear of the outside world has never been more marked, however much less declared.

Anyone who doesn't know that just hasn't been paying attention — not here, not there.

I'm talking about article pages and user pages, not talk page chatter.

Jon Awbrey

[RMHED]

Far be it from me to derail the topic but it needs to be pointed out that Wikipedia is absolutely full of outward-pointing links, including 900+ to WR alone.

Sorry, but my sources tell me that the BADSITES Brigade is busier, more automated, and more knee-jerk than it's ever been before — it went global and underground and disguises itself under a host of other names, but the abject fear of the outside world has never been more marked, however much less declared.

Anyone who doesn't know that just hasn't been paying attention — not here, not there.

I'm talking about article pages and user pages, not talk page chatter.

Jon Awbrey

Jon, some may call you a paranoid nut, but really you're so much more than that. Paranoid nuts could learn a thing or two from you.

[Jon Awbrey]

I'm not sure if he's serious about the sexual metaphors having import.

Yes, I should have thought the satirical vein was marked well enough that anyone could get a needle in — and yes, again, there is a deeper point to it.

Jon Awbrey

[UseOnceAndDestroy]

Two drives to contribute unpaid to a massively open, hugely read educational project perhaps worth noting. One is altruism and the other, manipulation.

Though, let's not forget the perennially recurring gratification of the wikipedian identity.

Retentiveness is useful for walled gardens and the prevention of other resources being checked, short of whatever references are provided (and if we accept it exists, it acts against checking of these also, natch). It's also hella useful for the same reasons religions build conversion into their marriage criteria, to up the numbers and propagate the attendant dogma.

This comes up among the operaters of made-for-adsense sites when considering link-swapping: every external link is potential lost traffic. The design of mediawiki considers this, making the construction of internal links so easy, it comes to seem natural.

[Jon Awbrey]

Data, Data, Data

A Collection of Previous Topics in Reverse Chronological Order

• Spamalot
• New Candidates For Wikipedia Watch
• His COI Bot Mistress
• BADSITES Goes Global
• Best Performance In A Self-Promotional User Page
• How Independent Are The Many Tongues Of Wikipædia?

[Jon Awbrey]

I return to the question of a possible connection between En-Url Retentiveness and Urlinary Aggressiveness.

Opening a volume of Freud almost at random —

Visual impressions remain the most frequent pathway along which libidinal excitation is aroused; indeed, natural selection counts upon the accessibility of this pathway — if such a teleological form of statement is permissible — when it encourages the development of beauty in the sexual object. The progressive concealment of the body which goes along with civilization keeps sexual curiosity awake. This curiosity seeks to complete the sexual object by revealing its hidden parts. It can, however, be diverted ('sublimated') in the direction of art, if its interest can be shifted away from the genitals on to the shape of the body as a whole. It is usual for most normal people to linger to some extent over the intermediate sexual aim of a looking that has a sexual tinge to it; indeed, this offers them a possibility of directing some proportion of their libido on to higher artistic aims. On the other hand, this pleasure in looking [scopophilia] becomes a perversion (a) if it is restricted exclusively to the genitals, or (b) if it is connected with the overriding of disgust (as in the case of voyeurs or people who look on at excretory functions), or (c) if, instead of being preparatory to the normal sexual aim, it supplants it. This last is markedly true of exhibitionists, who, if I may trust the findings of several analyses, exhibit their own genitals in order to obtain a reciprocal view of the genitals of the other person. (Freud, p. 22–23).

Sigmund Freud (1905/1953), Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, James Strachey (trans.), Basic Books, New York, NY, 1962.

[Jon Awbrey]

In 1920 Freud added the following footnote to the above paragraph:

Under analysis, these perversions — and indeed most others — reveal a surprising variety of motives and determinants. The compulsion to exhibit, for instance, is also closely dependent on the castration complex: it is a means of constantly insisting upon the integrity of the subject's own (male) genitals and it reiterates his infantile satisfaction at the absence of a penis in those of women. (Freud, p. 23, note 2).

Sigmund Freud (1905/1953), Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, James Strachey (trans.), Basic Books, New York, NY, 1962.

[Milton Roe]

In 1920 Freud added the following footnote to the above paragraph:

Under analysis, these perversions — and indeed most others — reveal a surprising variety of motives and determinants. The compulsion to exhibit, for instance, is also closely dependent on the castration complex: it is a means of constantly insisting upon the integrity of the subject's own (male) genitals and it reiterates his infantile satisfaction at the absence of a penis in those of women. (Freud, p. 23, note 2).

Sigmund Freud (1905/1953), Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, James Strachey (trans.), Basic Books, New York, NY, 1962.

And I suppose all those male genital displays in lower primates are due to their own satisfaction in their own integrity and satisfaction that female monkeys don't have one? Yeah, right.

It's a good thing Freud knew nothing of Spotted Hyena sexuality or anatomy, or else his professorial head would have exploded.

[Jon Awbrey]

And I suppose all those male genital displays in lower primates are due to their own satisfaction in their own integrity and satisfaction that female monkeys don't have one? Yeah, right.

It's a good thing Freud knew nothing of Spotted Hyena sexuality or anatomy, or else his professorial head would have exploded.

Freud was fortunate enough to live and die in the days before Wikipedia, so naturally he had no PhallaciousMonkeys to analyze.

Jon

[Jon Awbrey]

Percolating this topic back to the top of the pot for another boil or or two or treble …

I believe the thesis advanced here throws a truer light on all the recent huffing and puffing out of Wikipediot head- & hind- quarters about self-promotion.

Jon

[GlassBeadGame]

In 1920 Freud added the following footnote to the above paragraph:

Under analysis, these perversions — and indeed most others — reveal a surprising variety of motives and determinants. The compulsion to exhibit, for instance, is also closely dependent on the castration complex: it is a means of constantly insisting upon the integrity of the subject's own (male) genitals and it reiterates his infantile satisfaction at the absence of a penis in those of women. (Freud, p. 23, note 2).

Sigmund Freud (1905/1953), Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, James Strachey (trans.), Basic Books, New York, NY, 1962.

And I suppose all those male genital displays in lower primates are due to their own satisfaction in their own integrity and satisfaction that female monkeys don't have one? Yeah, right.

It's a good thing Freud knew nothing of Spotted Hyena sexuality or anatomy, or else his professorial head would have exploded.

Surely there must be something to learn about Wikipedia a primate display of genitalia? Besides research has shown that when males are reduced to the mental functioning of lower primates through dosing with alcohol and then introduced into Madri Gras to mate their last thoughts prior to the loss of consciousness are frequent gratitude that the female chosen did fortunately lack male genitals.

[Jon Awbrey]

Madri Gras

Not to be confused with Madras Gri, where revelers wake up the next morning — half-batiked, faded, and plaid.

Jon