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Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero tolerance" means. I wonder if she ran her reply past her Assistant Director before sending it out?
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 25th June 2010, 10:28am)
Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero tolerance" means. I wonder if she ran her reply past her Assistant Director before sending it out?
Yet another hit for "Wikipedia is NOT censored." Well, yes it is, but only crappily and patchily.
To put it more correctly: it isn't censored as well as its CEO claims to the media, but it is more censored than its official policy page states.
It's rare that you get official hypocrisy simultaneously, in both directions. Hey, it's Wikipedia. If anybody can be dishonest in two different ways on the same subject, it's them.
Oh, this is going to have the Foundation in a tussle for the next week or two.
Hey, I didn't know Squeak was a pedo?
Rut roh, Raggy! It looks to me that Jana owes Squeakers a BIG apology. Squeak was actually the "hysterical antiped" who nominated the bio of notorious pedo Marthijn Uittenbogaard "for wikipedia scrapheap". Even more ironic in light of Squeak's last post here at The Review. As far as I know, SqueakBox has been a clear and consistent anti-pedo voice at Wikipedia.
I hope this is not indicative of the accuracy of the rest of the article. It otherwise seems better researched and written than her first two articles.
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QUOTE(Cedric @ Fri 25th June 2010, 1:32pm)
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 25th June 2010, 12:19pm)
Oh, this is going to have the Foundation in a tussle for the next week or two.
Hey, I didn't know Squeak was a pedo?
Rut roh, Raggy! It looks to me that Jana owes Squeakers a BIG apology. Squeak was actually the "hysterical antiped" who nominated the bio of notorious pedo Marthijn Uittenbogaard "for wikipedia scrapheap". Even more ironic in light of Squeak's last post here at The Review. As far as I know, SqueakBox has been a clear and consistent anti-pedo voice at Wikipedia.
I hope this is not indicative of the accuracy of the rest of the article. It otherwise seems better researched and written than her first two articles.
Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "BoyChat" user using the pseudonym "SqueakBox." There is no reason to think that that is the same guy using the pseudonym here and on WP. In fact WP User:Squeak Box seems vaguely right headed in such matters although he has lots of problems letting go of WP preconceptions.
To make matters more confusing the PJ guy interviewed is Von Erck who's name so vividly suggests, at least to me, Erick Moeller, the Dr. Strangelove who advises Sue Gardner on free culture things from his position as Assistant Director of WMF.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 25th June 2010, 1:04pm)
Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "BoyChat" user using the pseudonym "SqueakBox." There is no reason to think that that is the same guy using the pseudonym here and on WP. In fact WP User:Squeak Box seems vaguely right headed in such matters although he has lots of problems letting go of WP preconceptions.
It's pretty coincidental that one squeakbox would be on WP nominating the AFD, while another, evil squeakbox would be on a pedoforum rallying the forces of darkness. I mean, it's not even that great a pen name. Much more likely that she misread her own notes and transposed a character. Ruh roh, indeed.
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To make matters more confusing the PJ guy interviewed is Von Erck who's name so vividly suggests, at least to me, Erick Moeller, the Dr. Strangelove who advises Sue Gardner on free culture things from his position as Assistant Director of WMF.
While they're both ercksome in their own way, they're not easily confused - totally different species of jackass.
Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "BoyChat" user using the pseudonym "SqueakBox." There is no reason to think that that is the same guy using the pseudonym here and on WP. In fact WP User:Squeak Box seems vaguely right headed in such matters although he has lots of problems letting go of WP preconceptions.
To make matters more confusing the PJ guy interviewed is Von Erck who's name so vividly suggests, at least to me, Erick Moeller, the Dr. Strangelove who advises Sue Gardner on free culture things from his position as Assistant Director of WMF.
I agree with all of this except the first sentence. While it is possible that the editor trying to have a pedo's bio deleted and the pedo activist trying to stop the deletion were both using the same pseudonym, it seems to me far more likely that Winters mentioned the wrong pseudonym in the article by mistake. On Von Erck's "Wikisposure" site, there is no "SqueakBox" mentioned on his list of BoyChat members. The only mention of a "Squeakbox" on the site was to a "Wikipedian" who was threatened by some pedos ("Anyone visiting the Caribbean could do Wikipedia a favor: there's a Squeakbox there that needs fixing to ensure it no longer squeaks."). That has to be the Squeak we know. This time, at least, I will take Von Erck's word for it. I do not intend to take my browser anywhere near BoyChat to do a search.
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QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Fri 25th June 2010, 3:10pm)
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 25th June 2010, 1:04pm)
Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "BoyChat" user using the pseudonym "SqueakBox." There is no reason to think that that is the same guy using the pseudonym here and on WP. In fact WP User:Squeak Box seems vaguely right headed in such matters although he has lots of problems letting go of WP preconceptions.
It's pretty coincidental that one squeakbox would be on WP nominating the AFD, while another, evil squeakbox would be on a pedoforum rallying the forces of darkness. I mean, it's not even that great a pen name. Much more likely that she misread her own notes and transposed a character. Ruh roh, indeed.
That occurred to me too. But Ms. Winter makes no mention that this is WP User:Squeak Box or even any mention of him at all. I can easily imagine, as you suggest, a mix up in her notes. I can also easily imagine some pedophile or lulzer from WP going onto the pedophile site using the same pseudonym to cause mischief.
QUOTE(Cedric @ Fri 25th June 2010, 3:13pm)
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 25th June 2010, 3:04pm)
Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "BoyChat" user using the pseudonym "SqueakBox." There is no reason to think that that is the same guy using the pseudonym here and on WP. In fact WP User:Squeak Box seems vaguely right headed in such matters although he has lots of problems letting go of WP preconceptions.
To make matters more confusing the PJ guy interviewed is Von Erck who's name so vividly suggests, at least to me, Erick Moeller, the Dr. Strangelove who advises Sue Gardner on free culture things from his position as Assistant Director of WMF.
I agree with all of this except the first sentence. While it is possible that the editor trying to have a pedo's bio deleted and the pedo activist trying to stop the deletion were both using the same pseudonym, it seems to me far more likely that Winters mentioned the wrong pseudonym in the article by mistake. On Von Erck's "Wikisposure" site, there is no "SqueakBox" mentioned on his list of BoyChat members. The only mention of a "Squeakbox" on the site was to a "Wikipedian" who was threatened by some pedos ("Anyone visiting the Caribbean could do Wikipedia a favor: there's a Squeakbox there that needs fixing to ensure it no longer squeaks."). That has to be the Squeak we know. This time, at least, I will take Von Erck's word for it. I do not intend to take my browser anywhere near BoyChat to do a search.
Yes, the absence of Squeak Box in the list does argue for a mix up in the notes.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 25th June 2010, 2:29pm)
That occurred to me too. But Ms. Winter makes no mention that this is WP User:Squeak Box or even any mention of him at all. I can easily imagine, as you suggest, a mix up in her notes. I can also easily imagine some pedophile or lulzer from WP going onto the pedophile site using the same pseudonym to cause mischief.
Conceded. But if that were the case, her minimal diligence (ie skimming the AFD) would have revealed the doppleganging, and been noted at least in passing. Still, you're right, I never really considered that. But I'm very knaive and trusting.
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The most important part of this article centers on... "Hemanshu Nigam, who headed security divisions at Microsoft and MySpace and now runs SSP Blue, an online security consulting firm."
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Nigam, who is co-chairman of President Obama's Online Safety Technology Group and sits on the board of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said it's not that complicated. "Almost every other social networking site has taken steps to clean up their sites, except for Wikipedia," he said.
Nigam said Wikipedia is making a conscious choice to abandon its responsibility by hosting an online haven for pedophiles.
“It’s nothing more than a company that is choosing to ignore the worst kind of exploitation in the world,” he said.
As a friend commented to me, that should have been in the article lede.
The most important part of this article centers on... "Hemanshu Nigam, who headed security divisions at Microsoft and MySpace and now runs SSP Blue, an online security consulting firm."
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Nigam, who is co-chairman of President Obama's Online Safety Technology Group and sits on the board of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said it's not that complicated. "Almost every other social networking site has taken steps to clean up their sites, except for Wikipedia," he said.
Nigam said Wikipedia is making a conscious choice to abandon its responsibility by hosting an online haven for pedophiles.
“It’s nothing more than a company that is choosing to ignore the worst kind of exploitation in the world,” he said.
As a friend commented to me, that should have been in the article lede.
For aught we know, it originally may have been. Editors!
The most important part of this article centers on... "Hemanshu Nigam, who headed security divisions at Microsoft and MySpace and now runs SSP Blue, an online security consulting firm."
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Nigam, who is co-chairman of President Obama's Online Safety Technology Group and sits on the board of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said it's not that complicated. "Almost every other social networking site has taken steps to clean up their sites, except for Wikipedia," he said.
Nigam said Wikipedia is making a conscious choice to abandon its responsibility by hosting an online haven for pedophiles.
“It’s nothing more than a company that is choosing to ignore the worst kind of exploitation in the world,” he said.
As a friend commented to me, that should have been in the article lede.
For aught we know, it originally may have been. Editors!
Indeed, if this person actually has significant authority in the Obama administration, and the person said that, that's very interesting indeed, and far bigger news than the "discovery" of pedophiles on WP.
Indeed, if this person actually has significant authority in the Obama administration, and the person said that, that's very interesting indeed, and far bigger news than the "discovery" of pedophiles on WP.
God, that would cause some real action around the WMF office. Whatta great YouTube video that would make.
"Sue? The White House is on line 3....and they sound angry."
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They all hate the Wikipedia Squeakbox over there for his work on cleaning up, so I imagine this account was a sort of revenge. They are discussing it now.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Fri 25th June 2010, 11:29pm)
QUOTE(Larry Sanger @ Fri 25th June 2010, 9:53pm)
Indeed, if this person actually has significant authority in the Obama administration, and the person said that, that's very interesting indeed, and far bigger news than the "discovery" of pedophiles on WP.
God, that would cause some real action around the WMF office. Whatta great YouTube video that would make.
"Sue? The White House is on line 3....and they sound angry."
The President certainly has bigger fish to fry and I tend to be over all supportive of his policies and action. Still after his recent Twitter-fest with Medvedev I'd be pleased if he ever got angry over anything at all concerning social media. In this area he is enamored of technology and naive about the limits and pitfalls of web 2.0.
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This is good ... has anyone actually spoken to Jana yet just to ask why she and Fox are still pursuing the Wikipedia?
And has anyone contacted the "expert consultant" guy whom Sue recent fluffed up for the WMF?
Presidents are over-rated when it comes to this kind of stuff ... BUT ... players such as these can make small changes that start tanker sized turns, e.g. aim for blocking from federal and educational facilities etc. They can grab the attention of big opinion formers.
Is anyone going to approach Nigam?
Hemanshu Nigam does not seem to have a Wikipedia page ...
EXCLUSIVE: Pedophiles Find a Home on Wikipedia - FOXNews
Fri 25th June 2010, 4:50pm
It looks to me that Jana owes Squeakers a BIG apology. Squeak was actually the "hysterical antiped" 
