World War II, The anti-US version Options

[Emperor]

When will Oberiko and his group stop?

He's won just about every argument he's had, and still keeps going.

He's got the article under constant semi-protection.
He's deleted the American picture from the lead montage, and now there are 2 Soviet, 2 Commonwealth, and 2 Japanese.
The Intro and infobox refuse to say that the war started in 1939, and the 1937/39 debate continues.
The Intro and infobox don't list the major combatants
The major commanders aren't listed anywhere in the article. (For fun, try to find "Eisenhower" or "Zhukov" anywhere on the page using Edit --> Find on this Page.)

The entire article is written in Oberiko's weird wiki-summary style where the proper names of events are hidden within Wiki-links. See the Normandy Invasion coverage, in its entirety:

In June, 1944, the Western Allies invaded northern France

And check my favorite passage:

The Soviets decided to make their stand at Stalingrad which was in the path of the advancing German armies and by mid-November the Germans had nearly taken Stalingrad in bitter street fighting when the Soviets began their second winter counter-offensive, starting with an encirclement of German forces at Stalingrad[94] and an assault on the Rzhev salient near Moscow, though the latter failed disastrously.[95

I've been following the article for years now, and seen people come and go but basically anyone who doesn't agree with Oberiko gets frustrated and leaves. He's not afraid to swing his administrator status and have people blocked who edit war with him or Parsecboy.

I could go through line by line and point out not only anti-Western and anti-American bias, but also outright errors. Take the first line of the Background section:

In the aftermath of World War I, the defeated German Empire signed the Treaty of Versailles.[7]

How does anyone not notice this for months and months? I've been watching it as an experiment to see if Wikipedians will ever get a clue, but, well, you see. Later in the background you'll find out that Germany's goal with Austria was to make it a "satellite state". Both of these statements are referenced too?

Insult to injury: the Holocaust is described as "the systematic purging of Jews in Europe". Well I'm pretty sure English isn't Oberiko's first language, but then why doesn't anyone help him? Oh right, because it's so obvious that the article is Owned that you'd be an idiot to try to help.

I know this breaks my rule of thumb not to help Wikipedia myself, but it is the number one search result and I'm feeling a bit of remorse just letting it fester, with it being around D-Day this week and having just recently talked to guy who was a B-29 pilot based in Saipan. I can't believe a generation of kids might be seeing their first encyclopedia article about WWII on Wikipedia.

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[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

May I ask, with all due respect and love, who the hell moved this thread moved to the annex and WHY?
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[GlassBeadGame]

May I ask, with all due respect and love, who the hell moved this thread moved to the annex and WHY?
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Sorry it took a while to reply. I don't generally read the Annex. This thread was moved because you are prattling away like nerdy Wikipedians in a manner that could best be carried out on Wikipedia itself. That is, as noted above, the stated reason (more or less) for all moves to the Annex. I had hoped to avoid the rancor caused by not having to call you guys on the matter but you can't just let it be. If you want the have this kind of discussion I would suggest you masturbate first. If you still want to discuss you crappy little ideas on a matter that contributes nothing to the understanding or criticism of Wikipedia please do it in the Annex or go back to Wikipedia.

Thank you for choosing WR for your discussion needs.

[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

May I ask, with all due respect and love, who the hell moved this thread moved to the annex and WHY?
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Sorry it took a while to reply. I don't generally read the Annex. This thread was moved because you are prattling away like nerdy Wikipedians in a manner that could best be carried out on Wikipedia itself. That is, as noted above, the stated reason (more or less) for all moves to the Annex. I had hoped to avoid the rancor caused by not having to call you guys on the matter but you can't just let it be. If you want the have this kind of discussion I would suggest you masturbate first. If you still want to discuss you crappy little ideas on a matter that contributes nothing to the understanding or criticism of Wikipedia please do it in the Annex or go back to Wikipedia.

Thank you for choosing WR for your discussion needs.

Ok, I see you JakeSooly.
Since some of the participants in this thread are behaving like nerdy Wikipedians, in your view, then that gives you the right to behave like an arrogant, petty, intolerant WP Adminion.
Way to fight the monsters.

[EricBarbour]

Ok, I see you JakeSooly.
Since some of the participants in this thread are behaving like nerdy Wikipedians, in your view, then that gives you the right to behave like an arrogant, petty, intolerant WP Adminion.
Way to fight the monsters.

Bitch bitch bitchy. I think this was the proper thing to do--this thread started,
about 21 months ago(!), as a gripe about Oberiko and some others trying to
make the World War II article look less pro-American, resulting in its trashing.

Since then, it's lurched from one god-that-article-is-shit argument to another.
Even the predictable squabble about the need to bomb Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. But most people seemed to agree, it was a shit article and fixing it
was probably impossible due to all the POV abuse.

But it didn't become an Annex thing until Radek, Emperor and EK started
dragging it off into that direction. It's not a "criticism of Wikipedia" thread
anymore, it's a thread trying to come to a consensus about fixing the WP
article (and involving banned people, no less).

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[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

Ok, I see you JakeSooly.
Since some of the participants in this thread are behaving like nerdy Wikipedians, in your view, then that gives you the right to behave like an arrogant, petty, intolerant WP Adminion.
Way to fight the monsters.

Bitch bitch bitchy. I think this was the proper thing to do--this thread started,
about 15 months ago(!), as a gripe about Oberiko and some others trying to
make the World War II article look less pro-American, resulting in its trashing.

Since then, it's lurched from one god-that-article-is-shit argument to another.
Even the predictable squabble about the need to bomb Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. But most people seemed to agree, it was a shit article and fixing it
was probably impossible due to all the POV abuse.

But it didn't become an Annex thing until Radek, Emperor and EK started
dragging it off into that direction. It's not a "criticism of Wikipedia" thread
anymore, it's a thread trying to come to a consensus about fixing the WP
article (and involving banned people, no less).

Then simply cut off the offending parts and cast them here or into the pit (as is so often done) but not the entire thread.

Otherwise it has everything to do with WP's quality, or lack thereof, as more clearly and elegantly argued by Emp and Rad above.

No, the WP Adminion block people to silence them. GBG doesn't - you get to have your say. I'll take frank words any day over the constant censorship at wikipedia under the guise of 'civility'.

WP adminions don't simply block/ban/delete/ignore, they also redact and archive discussions they just don't like or basically what GBG did here.
I don't see that as a significant improvement.
It is like using a taser instead of a truncheon.
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