Ottava leaves Wikipedia Options

[Eva Destruction]

Here are 30 people who somehow avoided Ottava's wrath and never got to see what a lunatic he really is. I suppose if he never came at you hurling insane accusations from out of nowhere, it would be easy enough to imagine that he was just a poor, maligned content creator.

You've apparently not been keeping up. I've fallen out with Ottava several times, and he with me. I just don't get my knickers in a twist about it like so many others do.

What he said. Ottava can be obnoxious, whiny and annoying. But so what? So can everyone.

[Milton Roe]

What he said. Ottava can be obnoxious, whiny and annoying. But so what? So can everyone.

"Everyone" doesn't always think they always have God-Almighty-And-His-One-True-Church on their side of the argument. The entire progress of civilization (for the part we have written records of), seems to have been basically progress against bastards like that.

They usually have had the power of the State on their side, but sometimes not (one definition of cult is "set of fundie assholes" with no political power, yet). But, in either case, they are people who are sure God stands with their side of the debating team.

It's a common human mental illness-- so common that in many parts of the world you'd be hard pressed even to define it as a mental illness. Nevertheless, scary.

(N.B. to be fair, I have to admit that people who think that the "true Marxist scientific view of history" is on their side, can be equally scary and violent without regret, so perhaps this is not so much a God/theistic religion thing, as an unwillingless to doubt one's own point of view in the face of any new evidence).

[Bibi]

Ottava's outing attempts are being outed.

[Somey]

Ottava's outing attempts are being outed.

Is that "outing" though, even under Wikipedia's normal misuse of the term? He's not really attempting to identify who Unitanode (T-C-L-K-R-D) is in the real world, only who he once was on Wikipedia (I think the implication is that he was Geogre (T-C-L-K-R-D) , though the dates don't quite line up).

I also hadn't seen this reference to "WP:CLEANSTART" before, but it's basically the section of WP:SOCK that says this:

Clean start under a new name: If you decide to make a fresh start, and do not wish to be connected to a previous account, you can simply discontinue using the old account(s), and create a new one that becomes the only account you use. This is permitted only if there are no bans or blocks in place against your old account, and so long as no active deception is involved, particularly on pages that the old account used to edit.

That is, you should not turn up on a page you edited, as User:A, to continue the same editing pattern, but this time as User:B—particularly while denying any connection to User:A, or if the edits or subject matter are contentious. You should also not, as User:B, engage in disputes you engaged in as User:A—whether about articles, project-space issues, or other editors—without making clear that you are the same person.

Discontinuing the old account means that it will not be used again. When an account is discontinued, it should note on its user page that it is inactive—for example, with the {{retired}} tag—to prevent the switch being seen as an attempt to sock puppet.

[Bibi]

Is that "outing" though, even under Wikipedia's normal misuse of the term?

I was being facetious in my use of the word for Ottava's and Chillum's actions.

To be serious instead: To me, what makes this whole Ottava drama tragic, is Ottava's insistence to participate in and contribute to a project where he is clearly not welcome, and where he has been kicked around in no uncertain terms (perhaps deservedly, but that's besides the point). A week after being banned, and on Christmas eve no less, he continues to fixate on his wikipedia avatar and life, spending hours on email, IRC and his user page. Such behavior suggests a psychological neediness that, alas, life on wikipedia is ill-equipped to resolve.

As Malleus wisely said : "when my time comes I hope that I'll be able to leave with dignity, not kicking and screaming." Ottava's inability to do so is quite pitiable.

If this had been Ottava's last edit on wikipedia, he would have earned the grudging respect of even his detractors there. Now he has made himself into a joke. That's sad.

This post has been edited by Bibi: Thu 24th December 2009, 8:06pm

[Nerd]

Ottava's outing attempts are being outed.

Is that "outing" though, even under Wikipedia's normal misuse of the term? He's not really attempting to identify who Unitanode (T-C-L-K-R-D) is in the real world, only who he once was on Wikipedia (I think the implication is that he was Geogre (T-C-L-K-R-D) , though the dates don't quite line up).

It's obviously not Geogre. There's only two people who it could possibly be, but I won't say their name here.

[Bibi]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. The action is particularly despicable, once one realizes the (perfectly legitimate) reason the original account had to disappear in a hurry.

One is tempted to repeat Joseph N. Welch memorable words.

[Nerd]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. The action is particularly despicable, once one realizes the (perfectly legitimate) reason the original account had to disappear in a hurry.

One is tempted to repeat Joseph N. Welch memorable words.

Yes, well, for the account's sake I hope the edits are suppressed. (Hint, hint).

[The Joy]

Ya can't keep a good Catholic down!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8430118.stm

[Somey]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. The action is particularly despicable, once one realizes the (perfectly legitimate) reason the original account had to disappear in a hurry.

Ahh, I see who it is. Well... yeah, okay, it's despicable, but I'm not so sure the reason for the disappearance was "perfectly legitimate" - admittedly it's just my opinion, but he was obviously never in any physical danger, and he's not in the sort of job where he should really be worrying about his career prospects or professional reputation (i.e., it's a job where that sort of thing probably happens all the time). It was a bad/nasty/mean thing to do, to be sure, but IMO they probably got a bit more hysterical about it than was warranted.

Oh well, if it helps gets Ottava out of the picture, maybe a little hysteria isn't such a bad thing, from their perspective.

[tarantino]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. …

Ahh, I see who it is. …

I don't see why people are dancing around naming Unitanode's previous account. It wasn't his real name, just a pseudonym who convinced arbiters he wanted to start afresh with a new pseudonym.

[Nerd]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. …

Ahh, I see who it is. …

I don't see why people are dancing around naming Unitanode's previous account. It wasn't his real name, just a pseudonym who convinced arbiters he wanted to start afresh with a new pseudonym.

I don't see how your link proves it was not his real name. By the way, a little bird told me he was also BobTheTomato. Just how many accounts has this fellow had?

[tarantino]

I don't see how your link proves it was not his real name. By the way, a little bird told me he was also BobTheTomato. Just how many accounts has this fellow had?

I wasn't trying to prove it, only saying I know it isn't.

[A Horse With No Name]

Looking into this further, Ottava has in fact effectively revealed Unitanode's real life identity, on-wiki. …

Ahh, I see who it is. …

I don't see why people are dancing around naming Unitanode's previous account. It wasn't his real name, just a pseudonym who convinced arbiters he wanted to start afresh with a new pseudonym.

I don't see how your link proves it was not his real name. By the way, a little bird told me he was also BobTheTomato. Just how many accounts has this fellow had?

As someone with a passing acquaintance with this character, I can fill y'all in.

He had seven or eight different accounts -- right after his most famous account and before this incarnation, he was Watershipper for a couple months. He even had a pair of "alternate" accounts that a certain Miss Clin deleted amidst charges of sockpuppetry.

It doesn't matter what name he uses, since the modus operandi is always the same: a bare minimum of intelligent editorial input coupled with a maximum of snotty comments on the fringe of some Wiki dust storm (usually regarding Giano or some other chronic troublemaker).

He has already outed himself with one of his previous accounts, the now-defunct KScottBailey. And if you want to follow him off-Wiki, he is on Twitter.

This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Sun 27th December 2009, 11:18pm

[IShadowed]

Yes, Ottava Rima was bitey. However, I disagree with the one year ban consensus. 6 months is more like it.

[A Horse With No Name]

Yes, Ottava Rima was bitey. However, I disagree with the one year ban consensus. 6 months is more like it.

Personally, I would be in favor of OR staying without the stupid punishment. There are far worse attack dogs roaming Wikipedia who contribute absolutely nothing to the project. At least OR is a fine writer.

[Malleus]

Yes, Ottava Rima was bitey. However, I disagree with the one year ban consensus. 6 months is more like it.

Personally, I would be in favor of OR staying without the stupid punishment. There are far worse attack dogs roaming Wikipedia who contribute absolutely nothing to the project. At least OR is a fine writer.

Absolutely. I was shocked when I saw NYB's proposed one year ban. I'd prefer to see him banned, for ever.

This post has been edited by Malleus: Sat 26th December 2009, 11:58pm

[everyking]

Yes, Ottava Rima was bitey. However, I disagree with the one year ban consensus. 6 months is more like it.

Personally, I would be in favor of OR staying without the stupid punishment. There are far worse attack dogs roaming Wikipedia who contribute absolutely nothing to the project. At least OR is a fine writer.

Absolutely. I was shocked when I saw NYB's proposed one year ban. I'd prefer to see him banned, for ever.

For what?

[CharlotteWebb]

Absolutely. I was shocked when I saw NYB's proposed one year ban. I'd prefer to see him banned, for ever.

For what?

Crap-flooding.

[Newyorkbrad]

Yes, Ottava Rima was bitey. However, I disagree with the one year ban consensus. 6 months is more like it.

Personally, I would be in favor of OR staying without the stupid punishment. There are far worse attack dogs roaming Wikipedia who contribute absolutely nothing to the project. At least OR is a fine writer.

Absolutely. I was shocked when I saw NYB's proposed one year ban. I'd prefer to see him banned, for ever.

As a point of information, I was not the one who proposed the ban, though I did vote for it.