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Well folks, looks like its election season again. Up for grabs are 11 ArbCom seats (9 two-year terms and two one-year terms vacated by Fritpoll and Vanished 6551232), unless our Dear F(l)ounder changes things to get his favourites on Arbcom.
At this point, NewYorkBrad and SirFozzie are pursuing re-election. The terms of FayssalF, Shell Kinney and Carcharoth are also expiring, but no word yet on what they'll do.
A few non-arbs have declared their candidacy: PhilKnight, Harej, and Chase me Ladies, I'm the Cavalry.
Its very early in the game, but any thoughts on this year's horse race?
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 16th November 2010, 2:41pm)  QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 16th November 2010, 8:32am) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 16th November 2010, 12:48pm) You should run. It would be the troll of the century. I'm sure I'm ineligible; they have been progressively upping the edit count requirements to run and to vote so as to exclude trolls like me from consideration. Several people were very upset that I voted last year. It requires 1,000 lifetime edits to articlespace, and that you be over 18. You appear to be eligible to run. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 16th November 2010, 5:20pm)
I am nowhere near bored enough to do it, though. Perhaps if someone offered to pay me.
That's too bad, it would be fun to see. There aren't expected to be very many candidates this year, so you might even win! No way Jimbo would ever appoint you, but it would expose his hypocracy. |
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 16th November 2010, 10:35pm) QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Tue 16th November 2010, 5:37pm) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 16th November 2010, 5:20pm)
I am nowhere near bored enough to do it, though. Perhaps if someone offered to pay me.
That's too bad, it would be fun to see. There aren't expected to be very many candidates this year, so you might even win! No way Jimbo would ever appoint you, but it would expose his hypocracy. Oi I thought you disapproved of destroying Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=305729709 . And what are you doing in this nest of trolls anyway? I *do* disapprove of destroying Wikipedia. Sometimes a shock to the system can be theraputic, though. Yes, trolls come here, but so do other people. It is a place to discuss Wikipedia, and here I can say things that I can't say on-wiki. |
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I'm considering running if there aren't many candidates. I imagine another dozen editors are considering the same.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 16th November 2010, 10:35pm)
... And what are you doing in this nest of trolls anyway?
QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 4:25am)
I'm considering running if there aren't many candidates. I imagine another dozen editors are considering the same.
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QUOTE(Jagärdu @ Thu 18th November 2010, 5:23am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 16th November 2010, 10:35pm)
... And what are you doing in this nest of trolls anyway?
QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 4:25am)
I'm considering running if there aren't many candidates. I imagine another dozen editors are considering the same.
Sounds like Peter Damian has his answer. Nah, I'm not here for the WR vote or anything. In fact, if I really, really want to be elected I should be staying as far away from this place as possible. If there aren't enough viable candidates, I may throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. I'm not going to hit the campaign trail, though. If I don't win, its not a big deal. |
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QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 12:50am) Nah, I'm not here for the WR vote or anything. In fact, if I really, really want to be elected I should be staying as far away from this place as possible. If there aren't enough viable candidates, I may throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. I'm not going to hit the campaign trail, though. If I don't win, its not a big deal. Wow, you're really jonesing for it, aren't you? |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 18th November 2010, 2:32pm) QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 12:50am) Nah, I'm not here for the WR vote or anything. In fact, if I really, really want to be elected I should be staying as far away from this place as possible. If there aren't enough viable candidates, I may throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. I'm not going to hit the campaign trail, though. If I don't win, its not a big deal. Wow, you're really jonesing for it, aren't you? Participating at Wikipedia Review probably sinks any chance I might have had. Still, I could probably do a good job of it. |
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QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 6:50am) QUOTE(Jagärdu @ Thu 18th November 2010, 5:23am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 16th November 2010, 10:35pm)
... And what are you doing in this nest of trolls anyway?
QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 4:25am)
I'm considering running if there aren't many candidates. I imagine another dozen editors are considering the same.
Sounds like Peter Damian has his answer. Nah, I'm not here for the WR vote or anything. In fact, if I really, really want to be elected I should be staying as far away from this place as possible. If there aren't enough viable candidates, I may throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. I'm not going to hit the campaign trail, though. If I don't win, its not a big deal. Why do you think posting on WR would reduce your chances of being elected? iirc I didn't post on WR before or during the election in 2008 as I didn't want to be seen to be canvassing for additional support from this motley crew. |
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Thu 18th November 2010, 5:58pm)
I'm considering standing, but as I don't have so much time, I'd be applying for a job-share post. Now, all I need is a co-nominee. I asked Giano, but he's not biting.
Sure. All you need is 15 minutes a week and a set of D&D dice, right? QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 18th November 2010, 9:32am) QUOTE(The Wordsmith @ Thu 18th November 2010, 12:50am) Nah, I'm not here for the WR vote or anything. In fact, if I really, really want to be elected I should be staying as far away from this place as possible. If there aren't enough viable candidates, I may throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. I'm not going to hit the campaign trail, though. If I don't win, its not a big deal. Wow, you're really jonesing for it, aren't you? He's trying to be aloof. Or maybe a doof. Oh, same diff. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) |
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 19th November 2010, 1:04pm)
Actually, I might have stood. But a) I'd get hammered again...
Hey, that's Chris Cunnigham's shtick! What kind of a Scottish comedian are you? Get your own jokes! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 19th November 2010, 1:33pm)
Harej is hare-brained.
Rumor has it that Orlady and Harej are planning to run together: (IMG: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/Bewitchedbunny.jpg) This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: |
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 19th November 2010, 7:37pm) QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 19th November 2010, 6:33pm)
Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.
(IMG: http://i54.tinypic.com/2zznvwl.png) I met him at a meetup too, and I wasn't exactly blown away by his maturity, either, but his answers to the questions suggest that provided he keeps an even temperament he's got a good head. |
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QUOTE(taiwopanfob @ Sat 20th November 2010, 2:55pm) QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sat 20th November 2010, 2:20pm) I met him at a meetup too, and I wasn't exactly blown away by his maturity, either, but his answers to the questions suggest that provided he keeps an even temperament he's got a good head. If he is immature, then he is unfit for duty regardless of the alleged quality of his head. I'd say that in the absence of a large body of other evidence, anyone under the age of about 35-40 is unfit for this job. Who cares if he is mature enough for the job? It the WMF cared, they would be paying the Arbcom a salary and interviewing prospective arbitrators. All that matters is that the 18-year-old+ is willing and able to make some tough decisions and back them up with some socratic reasoning. Anyway, I thought MessedRocker had abandoned Wikipedia (based on a post here) and pursued other interests? He's still addicted to Wikipedia drama? |
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Fri 19th November 2010, 12:50am) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 18th November 2010, 3:10pm) I have seriously considered loaning out my account to anyone who wants to use it for some Christmas fun. In my thinking, "Christmas fun" involving Wikipedia would not involve "hijinks" on a WP server. I daresay that "Christmas fun" would be more along the lines of belting David Gerard or Tony Sidaway in the mouth with a Yule log. Now, that's entertainment.I'm up for some "xmas fun"... |
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 19th November 2010, 2:37pm) QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 19th November 2010, 6:33pm)
Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.
(IMG: http://i54.tinypic.com/2zznvwl.png) You really like trolling me, don't you. I get a kick out of trashing decent folks like harej for no reason, but seriously, why do you need to respond with an ad hominem attack against me? Surely you could just as easily pile on harej, or on anyone...it's all the same to you, troll. |
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QUOTE(Shalom @ Sat 20th November 2010, 11:23pm) QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 19th November 2010, 2:37pm) QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 19th November 2010, 6:33pm)
Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.
(IMG: http://i54.tinypic.com/2zznvwl.png) You really like trolling me, don't you. I get a kick out of trashing decent folks like harej for no reason, but seriously, why do you need to respond with an ad hominem attack against me? Surely you could just as easily pile on harej, or on anyone...it's all the same to you, troll. Hey, don't you go talkin' to my woman that way! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) |
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At least the field's getting more interesting now. Actually have more candidates that slots (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) EDIT: And Giano's doing his best to make it about him somehow... :\ This post has been edited by BelovedFox: |
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We seem to have at least 2, if not 3 pairs of editors in the running, one of whom has blocked the other (I'm not sure if any of these folks have blocked Giano previously). The HI Mitchell (blocker) and Off2riorob (blockee) pair is noteworthy in that HJ M's block of Off was so blatantly bad. Does anyone see anything even barely resembling a legal threat here. Looks like a clear cut case of "I'm gonna block you cuz you disagree with me". Note the block was quickly reversed by Avraham, yet Off2riorob's still catching crap for having it on his record. Who would you rather have ArbCommittatin' you? Someone who's got a block on their record, or someone who's got a record of making bad blocks? We've also got a couple candidates who've only recently got adminned. |
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When I was on ArbCom we talked about expanding it, or possibly establishing delegated tribunals to prehear matters to "spread the load". The problem we kept running into is that there weren't enough qualified, sane, stable people available to staff either an expanded arbcom or a system of delegate tribunals. That problem hasn't gotten any better, and if anything has gotten worse.
There probably are 18 people in Wikipedia who are capable and qualified to serve on the ArbCom, but all of them have enough sense to run away from service in that role. The ArbCom you get, as a result, is a bunch of powerseekers, social manipulators, and other miscellaneous malfunctioners that is guaranteed to do no good.
All the more reason to revive my old "jury duty" proposal. Better to let a dozen randomly selected individuals, some fraction of which will have some sense, decide such matters, instead of a dozen and a half who have been selected entirely for their ability to kiss Jimbo's ass.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 4:11pm)
When I was on ArbCom we talked about expanding it, or possibly establishing delegated tribunals to prehear matters to "spread the load". The problem we kept running into is that there weren't enough qualified, sane, stable people available to staff either an expanded arbcom or a system of delegate tribunals. That problem hasn't gotten any better, and if anything has gotten worse.
There probably are 18 people in Wikipedia who are capable and qualified to serve on the ArbCom, but all of them have enough sense to run away from service in that role. The ArbCom you get, as a result, is a bunch of powerseekers, social manipulators, and other miscellaneous malfunctioners that is guaranteed to do no good.
All the more reason to revive my old "jury duty" proposal. Better to let a dozen randomly selected individuals, some fraction of which will have some sense, decide such matters, instead of a dozen and a half who have been selected entirely for their ability to kiss Jimbo's ass.
Would you supply a neutral advocacy also? Help keep the shit from flying around? |
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 2:31pm)
With a few notable exceptions, the field is limited and terrible.
Unless several more run, or Jimbo appoints 6 or less, whichever way you look you've got loose canons and unstable people on arbcom. It is a recipe for drama. Whatever you might say about the Committee - over the last few years it has been solid, and dependable (if a little unimaginative), there's no way that continues now.
I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.
I'd say the 2007 ArbCom was a fairly big shakeup as well, so I don't entirely subscribe to your notion that this one will be the status-quo breaker (although I'll agree to your summation of a less-than-optimal menu of choices.) I'd be curious which six you consider not fitting the "loose cannon" and "unstable people" (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) |
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QUOTE(radek @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 9:22am) Note the block was quickly reversed by Avraham, yet Off2riorob's still catching crap for having it on his record.
I know that experience all to well. I have six separate blocking incidents on record. Only one of those went unchallenged and lasted the full period of the original block. That's because that's the only one that was actually deserved and legitimate. The rest were absolute nonsense and totally baseless, as evidenced by the fact that they were all overturned well before they expired. But who bothers to actually? There needs to be a mechanism for blocked users to add to their block log a challenge to a block that was placed to indicate that they, and just about everyone else except for a few shrill voices, believe that that block was unwarranted and put links to supporting evidence and arguments. |
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QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Mon 22nd November 2010, 5:04am) At least the field's getting more interesting now. Actually have more candidates that slots (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) EDIT: And Giano's doing his best to make it about him somehow... :\ Should be a hoot. QUOTE I am able to communicate with people of all abilities, ages and social classes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...urned/QuestionsQUOTE Question from Coren
Question: If you are elected (and appointed despite your inability to access private information), how will you be able to manage having to work and collaborate with the rest of committee, most of whom you have qualified of liars or worse at some point in the past? This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 6:33pm) QUOTE(radek @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 9:22am) Note the block was quickly reversed by Avraham, yet Off2riorob's still catching crap for having it on his record.
I know that experience all to well. I have six separate blocking incidents on record. Only one of those went unchallenged and lasted the full period of the original block. That's because that's the only one that was actually deserved and legitimate. The rest were absolute nonsense and totally baseless, as evidenced by the fact that they were all overturned well before they expired. But who bothers to actually? There needs to be a mechanism for blocked users to add to their block log a challenge to a block that was placed to indicate that they, and just about everyone else except for a few shrill voices, believe that that block was unwarranted and put links to supporting evidence and arguments. Even as someone with a clean block log, I entirely agree with this. Some way to add "annotations" and a link to the unblock discussion would allow interested parties to understand better the circumstances behind the block, rather than forcing the editor to carry around diffs to defend him or herself against aspersions. |
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QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 9:33pm) QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 6:33pm) QUOTE(radek @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 9:22am) Note the block was quickly reversed by Avraham, yet Off2riorob's still catching crap for having it on his record.
I know that experience all to well. I have six separate blocking incidents on record. Only one of those went unchallenged and lasted the full period of the original block. That's because that's the only one that was actually deserved and legitimate. The rest were absolute nonsense and totally baseless, as evidenced by the fact that they were all overturned well before they expired. But who bothers to actually? There needs to be a mechanism for blocked users to add to their block log a challenge to a block that was placed to indicate that they, and just about everyone else except for a few shrill voices, believe that that block was unwarranted and put links to supporting evidence and arguments. Even as someone with a clean block log, I entirely agree with this. Some way to add "annotations" and a link to the unblock discussion would allow interested parties to understand better the circumstances behind the block, rather than forcing the editor to carry around diffs to defend him or herself against aspersions. Off2riorob is catching flak because he's a prick. He's not an admin, just a typical WP dick. This is a good one from his questions page - Looking at your impressive contribs. list, it looks like you usually start Wikiediting before 8am and keep at it all day until 9 or 10pm, every day. Massive amounts of editorial experience: but how would you respond to the concern that adding arbitration to that workload is too much? Maybe you need a real job first, son. Not sure I'd call a clear addiction 'editorial experience' mind you. Political though they are. Reading through his answers - they are all fascinatingly uncommited. He doesn't seem to be expressing an opinion on anything. Regarding WR, though he says "I don't have strong opinions about wikipedia review and think it is acceptable for users if they want to comment there without being criticized here for doing that. " which kind of makes me think he's here. (he's avoided Lar's direct question on whether he has an outside criticism site account or not). Basically, he expects to be handed admin status as a combo package (there presumably aren't any rules on standing for adminship properly after election - which seem ridiculous). As he is so flexible and clearly self-important, I wonder if anyone will vote for him as some kind of naive patsy. This post has been edited by powercorrupts: |
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 23rd November 2010, 11:45am) QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Mon 22nd November 2010, 5:04am) At least the field's getting more interesting now. Actually have more candidates that slots (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) EDIT: And Giano's doing his best to make it about him somehow... :\ And I really hope he gets elected. The ArbCom could really use someone like him. Please, please, do expand on that. |
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QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 28th November 2010, 9:46pm) Dr Loosmark has been 'exposed' as a longtime multiple sock-puppet holder (they've found 45 of them, so have bloked for 1 month), but is still up for the vote, with just a note in his discussion page - not his main voting pages (ie the statement and the questions and the vote itself). I'm wondering how many votes the editors will get automatically, seeing as the admin/arbs are such a bad lot? I'm really struggling to find more than two candidates I could possibly support. He only got a month block for that much socking!! He got off lightly, someone must like him. |
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Sun 28th November 2010, 1:59pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 28th November 2010, 9:46pm) Dr Loosmark has been 'exposed' as a longtime multiple sock-puppet holder (they've found 45 of them, so have bloked for 1 month), but is still up for the vote, with just a note in his discussion page - not his main voting pages (ie the statement and the questions and the vote itself). I'm wondering how many votes the editors will get automatically, seeing as the admin/arbs are such a bad lot? I'm really struggling to find more than two candidates I could possibly support. He only got a month block for that much socking!! He got off lightly, someone must like him. It's up on WP:AN for ban right now, so it ain't over till it's over (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) EDIT: And all the Eastern Europe types are piling in for the kill. Looks like it's game-over for Loosmark ... |
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Sun 28th November 2010, 5:37pm) QUOTE(Alison @ Sun 28th November 2010, 10:11pm) QUOTE(RMHED @ Sun 28th November 2010, 1:59pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 28th November 2010, 9:46pm) Dr Loosmark has been 'exposed' as a longtime multiple sock-puppet holder (they've found 45 of them, so have bloked for 1 month), but is still up for the vote, with just a note in his discussion page - not his main voting pages (ie the statement and the questions and the vote itself). I'm wondering how many votes the editors will get automatically, seeing as the admin/arbs are such a bad lot? I'm really struggling to find more than two candidates I could possibly support. He only got a month block for that much socking!! He got off lightly, someone must like him. It's up on WP:AN for ban right now, so it ain't over till it's over (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) EDIT: And all the Eastern Europe types are piling in for the kill. Looks like it's game-over for Loosmark ... QUOTE (User:Access Denied)"Strongest Possible Support for permanent ban. Not indefinite, permanent. Running for ArbCom while managing a huge sockfarm is one of the most disgusting things I can imagine". Either Access Denied has very little imagination or they're an idiot, or most likely both. I like the fact that this guy has done far worse while not producing any content than I ever did and socked up the wazoo, and yet it would take a community discussion to even get the chance of an indef. Who was backing that guy? I mean, come on, he must have something good on Sue Gardner or something! |
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sun 28th November 2010, 11:11pm)
EDIT: And all the Eastern Europe types are piling in for the kill. Looks like it's game-over for Loosmark ...
All? I count only one... QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sun 28th November 2010, 11:20pm) What? How soundly I had slept thinking Russavia was still banned. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) That one. QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 29th November 2010, 12:07am)
I like the fact that this guy has done far worse while not producing any content than I ever did and socked up the wazoo, and yet it would take a community discussion to even get the chance of an indef.
Re: "not producing any content". Generalizations are not helpful. While not in your league, he did do some good and uncontroversial work for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships (mostly, stubbing many dozens of footnote to a footnote but still notable ship articles). In the ideal world, one where people care more about things like building an encyclopedia than seeing others tarred and feathered, if not outright crucified for their amusement (and justification of self-righteousness), he would have gotten his well-deserved indef (=year till standard offer appeal) site ban, yes, but WITH THE EXCEPTION that he can keep contributing to uncontroversial naval articles. This would allow the community/arbs to minitor his progress towards wiki-resocialization (and to see if he actually cares about the project enough to just limit himself to this uncontroversial area), and would also give the checkusers a continuing feed on his IP, making it easier to see if he is still socking (or not). Sadly, such a "complicated" approach, requiring more consideration than the simple swing of a banhammer, is seemingly beyond current remedy-related frame of reference (if it ever was in it). This post has been edited by Deputy Cabal Ringleader: |
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QUOTE(Messedrocker @ Tue 30th November 2010, 7:18pm) QUOTE(radek @ Tue 30th November 2010, 7:09pm) My voting guide is up. Everybody's doing it. Thought I'd get in on the action. Brilliant. Yeah, it doesn't get much better than this. A couple of bits in no particular order: QUOTE
(Chase-Me-Ladies). I like the Cavalry. His late-in-the-day flanking maneuver at the Battle of Biscotti Gap opened up the enemy's left wing and set him in rout. He then brilliantly followed up this tactical victory with a vigorous pursuit, while being pursued himself. The pursuing went on and on and on, but ultimately, Cavalry caught up and the horse unbuckled brilliantly, flared his nostrils, lifted its hind legs and began to... oh wait, this is Casliber's slot. Sigh, anyway, I feel that Cavalry is the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
I like Off2riorob. I am not exaggerating when I say that here we have the Prometheus of the Encyclopedia. Where would we mortals be without this gift of fire that Off2 has bestowed upon us? Back in the caves, hiding from the dinosaurs that's where. And how many times has Off2's liver been torn out by angry Wikipedia vultures at AN/I, only to grow back again. Two times. And is it not good when one of the Titans, such as this brilliant editor, chooses to side with us, the puny flesh? Yes, it is good. But isn't Goethe's Prometheus a blasphemous bastard? Yes he was, but Goethe was into that kind of thing. And didn't Goethe... Maybe, but back to the topic. Off2riorob is the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
PhilKnight. I like Phil. He is a virtuoso of arbitration. A radiant shard of civility. He is the Santa Claus of dispute resolution. A Tooth Fairy of brilliance. An Easter Bunny of immense proportions. A Yeti of mediation. A Sasquatch of sanctions. A Turkey of praise endowment. A gamecock of spunkiness. A babe of innocence. A soothing lotion on the irritable skin of difficult Wikipedia topics. An acne medicine that has not been recalled by the surgeon, general or otherwise. An untampered with aspirin of headache relief. A blue pill for the editors that have lost their interest. A powerful enhancement for consensus. A credit card with no limit, and low fixed APR rates. A bank that is always open. And the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
So our Radek is Volunteer Marek! I like Volunteer Marek. Clearly an editor sporting broad intellect, varied interests, perspicacious sagacity, redeeming humor, and a venturesomely confident manly member that is unapologetically formidable without being grossly outsize. He has clearly produced the best satire of ArbCom WP elections to come along this year. |
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 1st December 2010, 4:10am) QUOTE(Messedrocker @ Tue 30th November 2010, 7:18pm) QUOTE(radek @ Tue 30th November 2010, 7:09pm) My voting guide is up. Everybody's doing it. Thought I'd get in on the action. Brilliant. Yeah, it doesn't get much better than this. A couple of bits in no particular order: QUOTE
(Chase-Me-Ladies). I like the Cavalry. His late-in-the-day flanking maneuver at the Battle of Biscotti Gap opened up the enemy's left wing and set him in rout. He then brilliantly followed up this tactical victory with a vigorous pursuit, while being pursued himself. The pursuing went on and on and on, but ultimately, Cavalry caught up and the horse unbuckled brilliantly, flared his nostrils, lifted its hind legs and began to... oh wait, this is Casliber's slot. Sigh, anyway, I feel that Cavalry is the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
I like Off2riorob. I am not exaggerating when I say that here we have the Prometheus of the Encyclopedia. Where would we mortals be without this gift of fire that Off2 has bestowed upon us? Back in the caves, hiding from the dinosaurs that's where. And how many times has Off2's liver been torn out by angry Wikipedia vultures at AN/I, only to grow back again. Two times. And is it not good when one of the Titans, such as this brilliant editor, chooses to side with us, the puny flesh? Yes, it is good. But isn't Goethe's Prometheus a blasphemous bastard? Yes he was, but Goethe was into that kind of thing. And didn't Goethe... Maybe, but back to the topic. Off2riorob is the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
PhilKnight. I like Phil. He is a virtuoso of arbitration. A radiant shard of civility. He is the Santa Claus of dispute resolution. A Tooth Fairy of brilliance. An Easter Bunny of immense proportions. A Yeti of mediation. A Sasquatch of sanctions. A Turkey of praise endowment. A gamecock of spunkiness. A babe of innocence. A soothing lotion on the irritable skin of difficult Wikipedia topics. An acne medicine that has not been recalled by the surgeon, general or otherwise. An untampered with aspirin of headache relief. A blue pill for the editors that have lost their interest. A powerful enhancement for consensus. A credit card with no limit, and low fixed APR rates. A bank that is always open. And the best candidate for ArbCom this year.
So our Radek is Volunteer Marek! I like Volunteer Marek. Clearly an editor sporting broad intellect, varied interests, perspicacious sagacity, redeeming humor, and a venturesomely confident manly member that is unapologetically formidable without being grossly outsize. He has clearly produced the best satire of ArbCom WP elections to come along this year. I liked the description of me, but I must admit our Radek outdid himself on Cav and Phil's. (Giano is a runner-up). This is quite good, but I'm afraid Radek is working in a rather small pool when it comes to good satire on Wikipedia (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) |
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 1st December 2010, 1:16am) QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 30th November 2010, 6:45pm) QUOTE(radek @ Wed 1st December 2010, 12:09am) My voting guide is up. Everybody's doing it. Thought I'd get in on the action. supporting GeorgeWilliamHerbert??? you're a moron. Well, he is the best candidate for ArbCom this year. I guess I should have actually read your "thoughts" before commenting. Very good. |
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Wed 1st December 2010, 7:46am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 30th November 2010, 11:10pm)
So our Radek is Volunteer Marek! I like Volunteer Marek. Clearly an editor sporting broad intellect, varied interests, perspicacious sagacity, redeeming humor, and a venturesomely confident manly member that is unapologetically formidable without being grossly outsize. He has clearly produced the best satire of ArbCom WP elections to come along this year.
Agreed, that should be cast in bronze. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Now are we taking bets on how long it will be before some nucklehead slaps {{satire}} on it (because they want to show everyone that it's satire), or better yet tries to get it deleted? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Wait? That was satire? Is THAT why it's not in the big blue box linking to all the guides? I was wondering about that. It seemed a bit ... hagiographic... but hey, to each his own. We can't all be downers, although I note someone else is now supporting less candidates than I am. Aside, now I'm wondering if BF was busting or if he/she is actually one of the candidates. but you know me, easily taken in. |
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Wait? That was satire? Is THAT why it's not in the big blue box linking to all the guides? I was wondering about that. It seemed a bit ... hagiographic... but hey, to each his own. We can't all be downers, although I note someone else is now supporting less candidates than I am.
Aside, now I'm wondering if BF was busting or if he/she is actually one of the candidates. but you know me, easily taken in.
Fixed. And while I'm there, what the hey does "written responsibly" mean in this context? Some of these guides appear to me to be written quite irresponsibly - they disagree with mine! Nevermind the usual unobservability/verifiability of "in good faith". Since at least some of the other guides might just possibly be an exercise in butt kissing, I just thought I'd do it right. (and thanks all) |
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Balloonman is now out - with another whimper in terms of communications (follow top link). Balloonman - the self-confessed Republican voter who idly boasts about his 'mediation' on the Gore Effect, Palestine and the Tea Party - and of having "30" barnstars and awards. Buffoonman, if you are reading - you a total prick. Is this now not a total farce? With all those votes already made? And people are still answering their initial questions - with hundreds having voted. There are simply no rules put in place to help the voting peasants at all. It's almost like Wikimedia instinctively hate democracy so much they cannot bear performing it in any kind of professional way. All they care about is who they are aligning with, via their secret channels. Why make it a professional poll? This standing-down now makes the vote a 'choice' of 19 candidates for the 12 available positions. People will be kicking themselves that they haven't stood. OK, many of the more popular cabal players are clearly in the bag (there is no way Sir Fozzie isn't getting re-elected, etc) - but there is clearly a space (or two) for somebody different now. Few conservatives will have the guts not to at least pretend to support Iridescent, and GiacomoReturned must now stand a real chance now too. And the oddball FT2. This post has been edited by powercorrupts: |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 1st December 2010, 9:42pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 1st December 2010, 4:19pm)
There are simply no rules put in place to help the voting peasants at all.
That may be because the posts being elected are utterly irrelevant to the Wikimedia Foundation and its money-scamming operation. The peasants are held with utter contempt for sure, but the motivation is to empire-build for power and for profit - not just to money-scam. You do tend to make them look like small time crooks. Jimbo aspires to so much more than that. The arbcom posts are utterly annoying to the WMF for sure, but not irrelevant. The WMF is too tied up with WP performance. They don't want completed articles, or even especially good ones, but are still as a business reliant on donation money, and so they do need to keep certain parties happy. Like all aspiring corporations, they are also incredibly image conscious, and bad press will not just bug them, but hinder them. The Arbitration committee is the main reason they give for keeping their shoal of in-breeding admin free from any realistic threat of unemployment. These bent admin and admin-wannabees aspire to arbcom importance and status, and so they take the whip positions on all the threatening proposals for change - such as bringing in admin terms, or the 'community ban' of certain critical editors. And interweaving it all you have the animal-instinctive pov deals and the various cabals. This post has been edited by powercorrupts: |
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 1:01pm) QUOTE Out of curiosity, does it really matter if a sitting arb is underage? --RegentsPark (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...2010/CandidatesHas RegentsPark been hanging out with Tyciol? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) QUOTE(Lar @ Wed 1st December 2010, 7:11am) !
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 6:17pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 1st December 2010, 7:22pm)
The peasants...
When ever you see the "peasant" analogy you know you're in for a "more democracy" rant. More Power to the Editors will only make things worse...by which I mean more irresponsible and unanswerable to the concerns of the wider society. Is that a fact? And where the fuck was the supposed "more democracy rant"? All I did was explain why the WMF themselves don't want admin to have fixed terms. Clearly you are happy with admin keeping their lifetime honours - which suits your personality I must admit. I reckon you are the only person on WReview who actually got thrown out of Wikipedia for being too hard line. I also suspect that you found yourself banned before you actually read you were seriously in trouble. And I also reckon that if they apologised profusely and very humbly asked for you to return, you'd be back in a shot slagging this site and its contributors to the max. |
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QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 1:55pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 6:17pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 1st December 2010, 7:22pm)
The peasants...
When ever you see the "peasant" analogy you know you're in for a "more democracy" rant. More Power to the Editors will only make things worse...by which I mean more irresponsible and unanswerable to the concerns of the wider society. Is that a fact? And where the fuck was the supposed "more democracy rant"? All I did was explain why the WMF themselves don't want admin to have fixed terms. Clearly you are happy with admin keeping their lifetime honours - which suits your personality I must admit. I reckon you are the only person on WReview who actually got thrown out of Wikipedia for being too hard line. I also suspect that you found yourself banned before you actually read you were seriously in trouble. And I also reckon that if they apologised profusely and very humbly asked for you to return, you'd be back in a shot slagging this site and its contributors to the max. You're remarkably consistent in wanting more of everything that makes Wikipedia terrible. Also you need to clarify in your own mind what exactly "the WMF" actually is. Or what WR is for that matter. A bunch of Wikipedians like you can't just show up here and decide what this place is about. You're a confused mess of sloppy thinking that focuses on the wrong issues. The result is threads like this. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 7:05pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 1:55pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 6:17pm) QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 1st December 2010, 7:22pm)
The peasants...
When ever you see the "peasant" analogy you know you're in for a "more democracy" rant. More Power to the Editors will only make things worse...by which I mean more irresponsible and unanswerable to the concerns of the wider society. Is that a fact? And where the fuck was the supposed "more democracy rant"? All I did was explain why the WMF themselves don't want admin to have fixed terms. Clearly you are happy with admin keeping their lifetime honours - which suits your personality I must admit. I reckon you are the only person on WReview who actually got thrown out of Wikipedia for being too hard line. I also suspect that you found yourself banned before you actually read you were seriously in trouble. And I also reckon that if they apologised profusely and very humbly asked for you to return, you'd be back in a shot slagging this site and its contributors to the max. You're remarkably consistent in wanting more of everything that makes Wikipedia terrible. Also you need to clarify in your own mind what exactly "the WMF" actually is. Or what WR is for that matter. A bunch of Wikipedians like you can't just show up here and decide what this place is about. You're a confused mess of sloppy thinking that focuses on the wrong issues. The result is threads like this. It's always a rainy day for you, isn't it. "Also you need to clarify in your own mind what exactly "the WMF" actually is. Or what WR is for that matter."Either I'm remarkably consistent or I'm not?! As it happens, I'm focused and I pretty much 'stick to it' in all my posts (however sticky they are). I've already asked you and the other Mods what they hell Wikipedia Review is meant to be about, so don't turn that one round on me. "the wrong issues"Once a Bride of Wikipedia, always one, eh? This post has been edited by powercorrupts: |
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Next thing I wanna know is how I can get hooked up with writing one of those "A Personal Appeal from Wikipedia Author Volunteer Marek" that pops up uptop. I can make my appeal VERY personal.
"I got a lot of funny looks ten days ago when I started talking to people about Wikipedia. I was very very very depressed, my cat was just diagnosed with leukemia, my roommate once again didn't do his share of the dishes, I had forgotten to return a call from my mother, I was bored with the book I was reading, there was an annoying itch above my left buttock, I hadn't shaved in three days, the shower was always too hot or too cold, never just right, I came to the conclusion that Oskar Kokoshka was vastly overrated as an artist, and Louis Ferdinand Celine as a writer, the washing machine ate yet another of my socks, the voters in Madagascar had just returned a candidate I particularly loathed, there was nothing on TV except poker, I had a ham sandwich for lunch that day, work was boring as usual, there are exactly forty eight steps between my back door and the garage, my great great great uncle had been sent to Siberia by the Tsar, the horoscope in the local paper was especially banal that day, no, I did not find that episode of that sitcom humorous, I had mixed feelings about cucumber salad and I was up for a block over at AN/I.
Let's just say that some people were skeptical about whether the money I was paying my psychiatrist was really well spent. Feelings of overwhelming hopelessness alternated with bouts of mind numbing boredom. It was then that I realized the importance of sharing..."
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 2nd December 2010, 2:47pm)
Next thing I wanna know is how I can get hooked up with writing one of those "A Personal Appeal from Wikipedia Author Volunteer Marek" that pops up uptop. I can make my appeal VERY personal.
"I got a lot of funny looks ten days ago when I started talking to people about Wikipedia. I was very very very depressed, my cat was just diagnosed with leukemia, my roommate once again didn't do his share of the dishes, I had forgotten to return a call from my mother, I was bored with the book I was reading, there was an annoying itch above my left buttock, I hadn't shaved in three days, the shower was always too hot or too cold, never just right, I came to the conclusion that Oskar Kokoshka was vastly overrated as an artist, and Louis Ferdinand Celine as a writer, the washing machine ate yet another of my socks, the voters in Madagascar had just returned a candidate I particularly loathed, there was nothing on TV except poker, I had a ham sandwich for lunch that day, work was boring as usual, there are exactly forty eight steps between my back door and the garage, my great great great uncle had been sent to Siberia by the Tsar, the horoscope in the local paper was especially banal that day, no, I did not find that episode of that sitcom humorous, I had mixed feelings about cucumber salad and I was up for a block over at AN/I.
Let's just say that some people were skeptical about whether the money I was paying my psychiatrist was really well spent. Feelings of overwhelming hopelessness alternated with bouts of mind numbing boredom. It was then that I realized the importance of sharing..."
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 6th December 2010, 11:35am) I haven't read the earlier posts in this thread -- have you folks picked up on this eruption of drama around Giano's refusal to self-identify? It's been geysering in various places for days now. Quite the show. It's an interesting way to force a constitutional crisis that Giano's come up with, at the very least, as Jimbo has painted himself into a corner. Me, I think he can function as an arb without access to any secret stuff. I think it will be very hard, and it will place a far greater (and unfair?) burden on all the other arbs to do more circumlocution, more setting up multiple lists, and they will have to do more of the routine scut work (oversighting, cu work and the like) which actually take up the vast majority of what it is they do. but it's doable. Other folks I trust a lot are adamant there is absolutely no way it will work, that almost every case has secret stuff in it... But I think it should be at least tried, assuming Giano gets one of the top 12 places. Which with this diminished and rather lackluster (excepting certain sparkly/iridescent candidates) field, might not at all be unlikely. |
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 6th December 2010, 3:35pm) I haven't read the earlier posts in this thread -- have you folks picked up on this eruption of drama around Giano's refusal to self-identify? That lad has an amazing talent for provoking the Wiki-pathetic. For example, the comments thereafter. Voting "NO" were some of the worst nerds on WP, including several notorious admins who have abused their powers in the past, AND who go to great lengths to maintain their OWN anonymity. Fucking hypocrites.QUOTE I'm really, really sorry about this, and I'd love to check the 'yes' box, because I support the thoughts behind Giano's standing... but if we want a more open ArbCom, this is the best place to start. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC) QUOTE No. Agree with the statements on this issue by Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs), at this page and his user talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 00:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC) "More open Arbcom"? You should start with your own houses. QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 6th December 2010, 12:36pm) While the ArbCommies say that Giano has no secret files, I am of the understanding that I do have one. Therefore, I'm authorizing Giano to make the same request he made, ON MY BEHALF, and I will publicly share the contents of any ArbCom-based file that it has on me. Dollar says they won't do it--because the contents of said file would make them look like damned crazy fools. This post has been edited by EricBarbour: |
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What's all this fuss over Giano not identifying himself? I thought everyone already knew who who is - he's Frank Kowalczek, a construction worker from Hoboken. Drives an old Pontiac... Nice guy, too - I played dominoes once with him and his wife and his wife's sister. I tried calling the sister later about going to Applebee's for chicken fajitas one night, but I only got her voice mail and she didn't call back. Still, I don't blame him for that... I mean, not Frankie's fault that I couldn't close the deal, right? I take full responsibility, and I'd be willing to testify to that effect before Congress. However, Congress has so far chosen not to invite me to their committee hearings regarding the issue.
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QUOTE(Lar @ Mon 6th December 2010, 5:06pm)
Me, I think he can function as an arb without access to any secret stuff. I think it will be very hard, and it will place a far greater (and unfair?) burden on all the other arbs to do more circumlocution, more setting up multiple lists, and they will have to do more of the routine scut work (oversighting, cu work and the like) which actually take up the vast majority of what it is they do. but it's doable.
Other folks I trust a lot are adamant there is absolutely no way it will work, that almost every case has secret stuff in it... But I think it should be at least tried, assuming Giano gets one of the top 12 places. Which with this diminished and rather lackluster (excepting certain sparkly/iridescent candidates) field, might not at all be unlikely.
Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid? |
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Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?
When it serves their interests. Anytime anybody on Wikipedia wants to do something really ugly to another Wikipedian but take no responsiblity for it personally, they just claim that any broach in their anonymity will expose them to PERSONAL danger. Yes it will. So, they can do as they please and never have to worry. If they say they're afraid of being raped and killed and murdered and raped and stalked and raped again, it will be believed, and that will be it. Will Beback, we speculate, wears an anti-rape device in his anus. And, it is very painful. Making him grouchy. |
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QUOTE(Warui desu @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:49pm)
Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?
Parties regularly raise sockpuppetry allegations against one another, particularly in the nationalist-dispute-type cases that have become common lately, and investigating these often involves CheckUser data. A large proportion of non-case work also involves CheckUser data, such as ban appeals, or dealing with certain problem users like Amorrow. It's not so much the volume but the frequency. |
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QUOTE(thebainer @ Wed 8th December 2010, 1:22pm) QUOTE(Warui desu @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:49pm)
Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?
Parties regularly raise sockpuppetry allegations against one another, particularly in the nationalist-dispute-type cases that have become common lately, and investigating these often involves CheckUser data. A large proportion of non-case work also involves CheckUser data, such as ban appeals, or dealing with certain problem users like Amorrow. It's not so much the volume but the frequency. Not really convincing. Arbitrators have to arbitrate - what's to arbitrate with Amorrow? It just needs CUers to play whack-a-mole with socks. Same with most sockpuppeteers. As long as you've got tech-say people to attest that sockpuppetry has occurred or has probably occurred, or that account x belongs to user y, then if the remedy isn't self-evident, arbs can arbitrate. I think there's a tendency to confuse the enforcers with the people on the bench. |
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:41am) QUOTE(Theanima @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:30am) A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment. The results are hardly surprising - very few candidates to start with, a large amount of seats, and several withdrawals and obvious no-hopers. |
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Thu 9th December 2010, 1:03am) QUOTE(Theanima @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:43am) QUOTE(RMHED @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:41am) QUOTE(Theanima @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:30am) A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment. The results are hardly surprising - very few candidates to start with, a large amount of seats, and several withdrawals and obvious no-hopers. Poor Iridescent. Mark my words, no good will come of it. Hah, Giano didn't even get as many votes as FT2. Funny also how Mr. now-banned Loosmark had more support votes than Jayvdb. A pity that Xeno and David got in; Xeno + block button = hiliarious (thank you, Marek) and David needs to go write more FAs. NYB was the big winner, of course, and Shell barely made it in. The results are lamer than the election itself, after FT2's little memory loss and Giano's stink about IDing. Personally, I think Iridescent will bring enough of the anti-arbcom sentiment without crashing the whole system. |
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 8th December 2010, 11:30pm)
Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).
But not always. For example, whatever Obama is, he's not boring. Madeleine Albright is boring. I keep her 661 page Madame Secretary by my bed, for when I run low on Xanax. Three paragraphs, maybe four, and I'm out like a light. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sleep.gif) But maybe technically that's statemanship and not quite pure politics. Though Clinton's windy doorstop was almost as good for that, till I finally finished it. |
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:49am) QUOTE(radek @ Wed 8th December 2010, 11:30pm)
Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).
But not always. For example, whever Obama is, he's not boring. Madeleine Albright was boring. I keep her 661 page Madame Secretary by my bed, for when I run low on Xanax. Three paragraphs, maybe four, and I'm out like a light. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sleep.gif) Clinton's windy doorstop was almost as good, but I finished it. Yeah, well, say what you want about Hitler but he wasn't boring. All that podium pounding and self help therapy for a whole nation. And see where that ended up. |
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 8th December 2010, 11:50pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 9th December 2010, 12:49am) QUOTE(radek @ Wed 8th December 2010, 11:30pm)
Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).
But not always. For example, whever Obama is, he's not boring. Madeleine Albright was boring. I keep her 661 page Madame Secretary by my bed, for when I run low on Xanax. Three paragraphs, maybe four, and I'm out like a light. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sleep.gif) Clinton's windy doorstop was almost as good, but I finished it. Yeah, well, say what you want about Hitler but he wasn't boring. All that podium pounding and self help therapy for a whole nation. And see where that ended up. Godwin.. In general, life is like that. The safe parts are boring, and when you get to the end, almost the only thing you wish for is that you'd been nicer to people, AND taken more risks. |
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QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 8th December 2010, 6:58pm) Hah, Giano didn't even get as many votes as FT2. Funny also how Mr. now-banned Loosmark had more support votes than Jayvdb. A pity that Xeno and David got in; Xeno + block button = hiliarious (thank you, Marek) and David needs to go write more FAs. NYB was the big winner, of course, and Shell barely made it in. The results are lamer than the election itself, after FT2's little memory loss and Giano's stink about IDing. Personally, I think Iridescent will bring enough of the anti-arbcom sentiment without crashing the whole system. And I have the horrible feeling that I'm reading an issue of Tiger Beat magazine. NEWS FLASH: these people are not celebrities, I repeat, not celebrities. They are nobodies, wastrels and droning bureaucrat-manques and nerdy OCD sufferers, with staggering amounts of time to burn and chips on their shoulders. Especially NYB--you know what he looks like. What makes HIM so damned popular, other than being unusually diplomatic for an Arbcommer? Female readers of this forum, would you date that guy? Would any of you hire him to represent you in court? Especially knowing how goddamned much time he spends on bloody Wikipedia, and not on working for his paying clients (if any)? The majority of those electees do little or no actual editing of Wikipedia articles. And especially the losers. What does, say, Sandstein do, except go around posting smug little squibs on talkpages, and perform unimportant managerial jobs like opening and closing AFDs? Ever looked at Elen's recent history? Elen used to generate a lot of actual content. Now, all I see is Sandstein-like bureaucratorial twiddling. Giano's narcissism, my ass. They're all narcissists. And you're helping them, by talking about them in this manner. Some of those new arbs are probably reading this thread with barely-suppressed joy-- "omg they mentioned me!!" |
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A most succulent result.
Firstly, how satisfying to see the egregious Off2riorob go down the shitter with 16% of the vote. It's nearly as good as watching the recent defrocking of Ottava over at Wikiversity.
But the best bit was Giano getting the walloping he had so long deserved. What an arrogant little hamster of a man. Such hubris!
His arrogant posturing over identifying himself to the WMF, eschewing access to the secret Arb lists and all that other conceited carry on underlined his unwarranted and deluded assumption that that oppressed wikimasses would sling him into office without a second thought.
For the record I only supported one candidate: Xeno.
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QUOTE(Craftyminion @ Thu 9th December 2010, 3:36am) His arrogant posturing over identifying himself to the WMF, eschewing access to the secret Arb lists and all that other conceited carry on underlined his unwarranted and deluded assumption that that oppressed wikimasses would sling him into office without a second thought. I think you're being somewhat unfair here, and also your prose style is rather pretentious. Giano never seriously claimed that he would win easily, or even win at all, from what I could gather. If you have a link that indicates otherwise, by all means post it - but the classic narcissistic approach to such a farcical election would be to hedge one's bets, egotistically speaking, by saying something like "it doesn't matter if I win or not, the point is that people will be forced to make a choice," or something equally ridiculous. You wouldn't expect him to say "I will win easily," because such a statement would represent a clear humiliation-risk in case of a defeat. |
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QUOTE(Text @ Sat 11th December 2010, 7:36pm) QUOTE I like the Christmas tree pic. Giano's parents have a swell basement. Giano is a troll like the Fat Man! Time to have him banned, he doesn't even add interesting content anymore! You mean stuff like this? Not enough tits and warlocks for you? It does mention decapitation fairly early on, and a great deal about Death Duties, so perhaps you might enjoy it. You will have to actually read it, though. |
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QUOTE Obviously I wouldn't expect Jimbo to appoint arbitrators with whom he wasn't satisfied. I think this might be annoying to the community but I don't see any obvious solution there.
It would be useful at least to know something of the nature of the questions, if only to save future prospective candidates the bother of running only to be passed over because of some unforeseen sticking point. Tasty monster (=TS ) 08:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Tm, when you say, "Obviously I wouldn't expect Jimbo to appoint arbitrators with whom he wasn't satisfied.", it suggests a monarchical system that I was hoping the enwiki community had grown out of. It is becoming increasingly unacceptable that Mr Wales be permitted to unilaterally meddle in the election results and to impose his own, private filtering system. Sorry, I had to say it. Tony (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC) No clue. No clue at all. It occurs to me: they can't toss Wales out. He has his own personal army of meatpuppets who are indebted to him. Remember the first-ever Arbcom? Handpicked. By Jimbo. I wonder how many of them are still actively involved with the WMF: QUOTE The current members of the arbitration committee are:
* Daniel Mayer, aka Maveric149 -- maveric149 at yahoo.com
* David Friedland, aka Nohat -- david at nohat.net
* Fred Bauder -- fredbaud at ctelco.net
* Gutza -- gutza at moongate.ro, but please see my notice on a temporary internet outage
* James Forrester, aka Jdforrester -- james at jdforrester.org
* Lee Pilich, aka Camembert -- lee at audiblerecords.com
* Mark, aka Delirium -- delirium at rufus.d2g.com
* Martin Harper, aka MyRedDice -- wikipedia at myreddice.co.uk
* Sean Barrett, aka The Epopt -- sean at epoptic.org
* The Cunctator -- cunctator at kband.com
All volunteered apart from The Cunctator, who was "drafted". Jimbo plans that future arbitrators will be elected. By choice, we don't have a chair. I checked--Fred Bauder, Jdforrester, Mav (T-C-L-K-R-D)
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are still heavily active almost every day. They have their little fingers in admin and Arbcom issues. Would they stand up for Jimbo-wants? Probably. Nohat, Camembert, Cunctator and Gutza are very occasional editors and could be considered inactive in WMF political matters. Also goes for the much-disliked UninvitedCompany. Martin Harper and that incredible bastard the Epopt are inactive. This post has been edited by EricBarbour: |
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 13th December 2010, 9:19am) QUOTE Obviously I wouldn't expect Jimbo to appoint arbitrators with whom he wasn't satisfied. I think this might be annoying to the community but I don't see any obvious solution there.
It would be useful at least to know something of the nature of the questions, if only to save future prospective candidates the bother of running only to be passed over because of some unforeseen sticking point. Tasty monster (=TS ) 08:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Tm, when you say, "Obviously I wouldn't expect Jimbo to appoint arbitrators with whom he wasn't satisfied.", it suggests a monarchical system that I was hoping the enwiki community had grown out of. It is becoming increasingly unacceptable that Mr Wales be permitted to unilaterally meddle in the election results and to impose his own, private filtering system. Sorry, I had to say it. Tony (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC) No clue. No clue at all. It occurs to me: they can't toss Wales out. He has his own personal army of meatpuppets who are indebted to him. Remember the first-ever Arbcom? Handpicked. By Jimbo. I wonder how many of them are still actively involved with the WMF: QUOTE The current members of the arbitration committee are:
* Daniel Mayer, aka Maveric149 -- maveric149 at yahoo.com
* David Friedland, aka Nohat -- david at nohat.net
* Fred Bauder -- fredbaud at ctelco.net
* Gutza -- gutza at moongate.ro, but please see my notice on a temporary internet outage
* James Forrester, aka Jdforrester -- james at jdforrester.org
* Lee Pilich, aka Camembert -- lee at audiblerecords.com
* Mark, aka Delirium -- delirium at rufus.d2g.com
* Martin Harper, aka MyRedDice -- wikipedia at myreddice.co.uk
* Sean Barrett, aka The Epopt -- sean at epoptic.org
* The Cunctator -- cunctator at kband.com
All volunteered apart from The Cunctator, who was "drafted". Jimbo plans that future arbitrators will be elected. By choice, we don't have a chair. I checked--Fred Bauder, Jdforrester, Mav (T-C-L-K-R-D)
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are still heavily active almost every day. They have their little fingers in admin and Arbcom issues. Would they stand up for Jimbo-wants? Probably. Nohat, Camembert, Cunctator and Gutza are very occasional editors and could be considered inactive in WMF political matters. Also goes for the much-disliked UninvitedCompany. Martin Harper and that incredible bastard the Epopt are inactive. Indeed he is surrounded by his own Pretorian guard, but I think this election has given King Jimbo a huge jolt, he has suddenly realised that it is just “possible†for someone like me (or even worse) to get on to the Arbcom. I think he was more confident of me getting a seat than I ever was, which is why he was shouting about so much during the election – have we ever seen him post so much and so frequently – in so short a space of time? Now he's going to try and change the rules and requirements for Arbs so that he's able to assert and maintain more control. One thing he does not seem to have realised is that politicians usually have to swear an oath of allegiance to the constitutional sovereign – it can only be a matter of time before James Forrester (his Blackadder like Lord high Chamberlain) of Fred Bauder (Captain of the Guard) whispers that in his ear and it becomes the next requirement. Giacomo PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=402161175 and it does look to be working for him - see the new Lord Cheif Toady Extraordinaire. This post has been edited by Giano: |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 13th December 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Giano @ Mon 13th December 2010, 11:32am)
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Am I understanding correctly that Jimbo has privately reached out to the nominees and asked them: QUOTE 1. Do you have any undisclosed COI/sock puppet/behavioral issues within the framework of Wikipedia that I should know about? Anything disclosed in the election process is not my concern here.
2. Is there anything serious about your real life identity that might reflect negatively on Wikipedia?
3. Do you agree that your service here can be terminated for misconduct? I wonder how Jimbo would answer these questions for himself? I also understand that Jayvdb has refused to answer them. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) This post has been edited by thekohser: |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 13th December 2010, 8:14pm) Am I understanding correctly that Jimbo has privately reached out to the nominees and asked them: QUOTE 1. Do you have any undisclosed COI/sock puppet/behavioral issues within the framework of Wikipedia that I should know about? Anything disclosed in the election process is not my concern here.
2. Is there anything serious about your real life identity that might reflect negatively on Wikipedia?
3. Do you agree that your service here can be terminated for misconduct? I wonder how Jimbo would answer these questions for himself? I also understand that Jayvdb has refused to answer them. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) The whole thing is now just getting beyond a joke. If Jimbo had to answer those questions to retain his own position - he would be deposed as king. I hope we see the new Arbs all saying - "get lost - we agreed to tell you our ages; that's all you need to know" (and as you know, I thinkk even that is debatable). Suddenly, the rules seem to be changing and it won't be for the better. |
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QUOTE(Giano @ Mon 13th December 2010, 8:30pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 13th December 2010, 8:14pm) Am I understanding correctly that Jimbo has privately reached out to the nominees and asked them: QUOTE 1. Do you have any undisclosed COI/sock puppet/behavioral issues within the framework of Wikipedia that I should know about? Anything disclosed in the election process is not my concern here.
2. Is there anything serious about your real life identity that might reflect negatively on Wikipedia?
3. Do you agree that your service here can be terminated for misconduct? I wonder how Jimbo would answer these questions for himself? I also understand that Jayvdb has refused to answer them. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) The whole thing is now just getting beyond a joke. If Jimbo had to answer those questions to retain his own position - he would be deposed as king. I hope we see the new Arbs all saying - "get lost - we agreed to tell you our ages; that's all you need to know" (and as you know, I thinkk even that is debatable). Suddenly, the rules seem to be changing and it won't be for the better. Perhaps they should refer to these new questions as the "Sam Blacketer rule." |
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Sat 11th December 2010, 6:28pm) QUOTE(LessHorrid vanU @ Sat 11th December 2010, 7:07pm) You mean stuff like this? Good grief. Is there an article bemoaning the loss of culturally and aesthetically important statues of Lenin* and Stalin yet? *Not John, the other guy. Hmm, actually, except for the "bemoaning" part, there is probably quite a number of reliable sources on the phenomenon. Probably more than on the one covered by Giano's article. If I had time I might be inclined to write it. Of course it would very quickly get AfDed half a dozen times, moved to "Ungratefulness towards Soviet architectural legacy in Eastern Europe" once or twice, turned into a disambiguation page for "Communist architectural achievements" and get slapped with OR and NPOV tags (which is what would normally happen to Giano's article if it had dealt with Eastern European to(pics and if it hadn't been written by a guy named Giano). (btw, I read Giano's article and it is a very good and well written article... that reads like a "personal reflection" essay. Anyone else writes that and that's the tag (in addition to OR and POV tags mentioned above) that would almost immediately go up on it.) This post has been edited by radek: |
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QUOTE(radek @ Tue 14th December 2010, 2:25am) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Sat 11th December 2010, 6:28pm) QUOTE(LessHorrid vanU @ Sat 11th December 2010, 7:07pm) You mean stuff like this? Good grief. Is there an article bemoaning the loss of culturally and aesthetically important statues of Lenin* and Stalin yet? *Not John, the other guy. Hmm, actually, except for the "bemoaning" part, there is probably quite a number of reliable sources on the phenomenon. Probably more than on the one covered by Giano's article. If I had time I might be inclined to write it. Of course it would very quickly get AfDed half a dozen times, moved to "Ungratefulness towards Soviet architectural legacy in Eastern Europe" once or twice, turned into a disambiguation page for "Communist architectural achievements" and get slapped with OR and NPOV tags (which is what would normally happen to Giano's article if it had dealt with Eastern European to(pics and if it hadn't been written by a guy named Giano). (btw, I read Giano's article and it is a very good and well written article... that reads like a "personal reflection" essay. Anyone else writes that and that's the tag (in addition to OR and POV tags mentioned above) that would almost immediately go up on it.) Whether or not an encyclopedia article should have such a tone is a valid question, however. Nice to see Giano's back from exile after four days. This post has been edited by BelovedFox: |
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QUOTE(Giano @ Mon 13th December 2010, 10:32am) I think this election has given King Jimbo a huge jolt, he has suddenly realised that it is just “possible†for someone like me (or even worse) to get on to the Arbcom. Don't be absurd. Nobody Jimbo doesn't want will be put on the ArbCom, even if they came in first on the polls. It's raw egoism on your part to think that Jimbo experienced anything more than a mild tickle, if even that, as a result of this "election", and sheer lunacy to think that the voting results are indicative of anything at all. With fewer than 1,000 votes in an electorate of something around 100,000, the election grants no meaningful guidance, to say nothing of legitimacy, to its "winners". |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 14th December 2010, 4:10pm) QUOTE(Giano @ Mon 13th December 2010, 10:32am) I think this election has given King Jimbo a huge jolt, he has suddenly realised that it is just “possible†for someone like me (or even worse) to get on to the Arbcom. Don't be absurd. Nobody Jimbo doesn't want will be put on the ArbCom, even if they came in first on the polls. It's raw egoism on your part to think that Jimbo experienced anything more than a mild tickle, if even that, as a result of this "election", and sheer lunacy to think that the voting results are indicative of anything at all. With fewer than 1,000 votes in an electorate of something around 100,000, the election grants no meaningful guidance, to say nothing of legitimacy, to its "winners". I don't agree with you, not because I stood, but three of those who obtained sufficient votes could become cukkoos in the nest. He's never had to contend with that many disidents in an Arbcom before - My guess is he's not a happy man right now. He has Cavalry and Clemens to tow the loyal line, but one or two of the the other new members could exert some influence on the others. The loyal block vote may become a thing of the past. |
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QUOTE(Text @ Tue 14th December 2010, 8:34pm) QUOTE I haven't followed whatever Giano nonsense lead to his latest passion play but his "leaving" and return confirms that he is a ridiculous loser. If he's bored, frustrated, and all he does is using pen and ink or the keyboard, he will never leave, until he finds a project that allows him to express his creativity, or converts his text-creativity to something else... No. Far more simple, someone emailed asking me for some refs; I was in the process of emailing them back, and then thought - this is stupid; WTF should I be the one who's driven off? If they want me gone (and I suspect they do) they can ban me, like they have many of you here. Of course, I'm as addicted as hell, not to Wikipedia, but things I have worked on, you see I love those subjects and really want to communicate them - Wikipedia gives me that platform, but when a page needs me, I'm back - I supose they would say that's ownership, perhaps it is, but I don't want to see Cirt (or similar) deleting good info because I forgot to say where I found it. If I could stop writing for just three months, I think I would be able to just walk away because after 12 weeks a "proper page" has usually settled and is secure, so long as it's not a FA. |
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 14th December 2010, 4:05pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 14th December 2010, 8:25pm) QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Tue 14th December 2010, 7:20am)
Nice to see Giano's back from exile after four days.
I haven't followed whatever Giano nonsense lead to his latest passion play but his "leaving" and return confirms that he is a ridiculous loser. He never said he was leaving and not coming back, just that he was taking a break. Wikipedia would be a much better place if there were a lot more Gianos there, people who actually care about writing quality content. Most of the criticism of Wikipedia is caused by people who don't care about creating quality content, or any content at all. I think you have it backwards. People who "cause criticism" from the view point of the wider society are the content creators. The writing and level of quality is irrelevant and subject to change without notice. Anyone who participates signs on for that. Any bio or factual article is one edit away from being a defamation bomb or POV fest. If you post a person's picture the penis vandalism is just one click away. The policy wanks and game players are only a problem to other Wkipedians. And who gives a shit about them? When Kerouac said "pretty girls make graves" he might of well have been talking about the "contributions" of the prissy content creators like G on Wikipedia. |
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QUOTE(Giano @ Tue 14th December 2010, 2:13pm) I don't agree with you, not because I stood, but three of those who obtained sufficient votes could become cukkoos in the nest. He's never had to contend with that many disidents in an Arbcom before - My guess is he's not a happy man right now. You'd be stupid to guess that. Jimbo doesn't care that much by how much someone wins or loses in an ArbCom election; if anything he's happy because you lost, not unhappy because you didn't lose by much. That aside, even if you had somehow made it into the "winning" bunch, he'd have found some excuse not to appoint you, if he really felt that you'd be a "cuckoo in the nest" and that the rest of the committee couldn't effectively marginalize you (which, to be honest, they'd be very capable of doing) or even find some excuse to eject you (which they are also very capable of doing). Jimbo wants as little as possible to do with Wikipedia; he certainly doesn't pay attention to day-to-day goings on. It's beneath him to consort with the rabble at that level more than absolutely necessary to maintain appearances; he has people for that. Quite simply, you massively overstate the importance of the ArbCom. Wikipedia's culture is set in stone and cannot be changed without the judicious use of explosives. One person, no matter how eloquent, or shrill, for that matter, is not going to have much effect. Nah, you're just doing this for the same reason you write the article you do: you like to "hear" yourself "talking", and you get off on knowing that other people are "hear"ing it too. Nothing wrong with that, but absolutely don't let it go to your head. |
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