Is Malleus addicted to Wikipedia?, Is it possible for him to stop editing, even for a day? Options

[mbz1]

In a meantime campaign for unblocking Malleus just became mach more dramatic with some visual illustrations that almost look like the ones used in ED

Since the template itself has been changed, you will have to look here to see what it looked like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

Then here's a better link

[Zoloft]

Perhaps some demurely designed barnstars are needed, so Malleus can just drop one on the user page of someone he's cheesed off at.

• The 'Vagrant Vulva' barnstar for random assholery.
• The 'Mons Pubis' barnstar for a classy but clueless editor.
• The 'Labia Majora' barnstar when a ruckus is just beginning to flower.
• The 'Querulous Queef' barnstar awarded when the dispute lands at AN/I.

[mbz1]

In a meantime Malleus talk is getting a big traffic

[chrisoff]

In a meantime Malleus talk is getting a big traffic

And FAC is struggling with editor involvement falling off! Just think, all this energy put into Malleus and his bad temper and sex problems could be going into article writing!

It's all become too nasty. What's so hard about not using "cunt", "dick" etc. Does Malleus call his wife a "cunt"? Well. maybe he does, considering he has nothing to do at night but stir up trouble on WP.

[mbz1]

And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement" is officially opened

This post has been edited by mbz1: Thu 29th December 2011, 3:55pm

[dogbiscuit]

<sigh> Are they still trying to claim that the most objectionable word in the UK is somehow OK to use, just because a small subsection of the English speaking population use it as mild but friendly abuse in certain circumstances? Guy Chapman has much to answer for in making that claim.

In private groups you might get away with it, with people you know. Anywhere else you are taking a big risk of being flattened by someone who would be outraged or arrested for offensive language. I doubt the magistrates would be overly impressed by the "Someone told me it was OK on Wikipedia" defence.

[Kelly Martin]

And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement" is officially opened

Civility is how one shows respect; if one is forced to be civil toward those who do not deserve it, then civility itself loses all meaning.

[chrisoff]

Civility is a matter of courtesy and respect for a fellow being. It is not something that is "deserved" or earned. It is the way individuals treat each other in a civilized society. Because someone does not agree with Malleus does not give him leave to spatter them with vulgarity. What will that achieve? Will that improve the discourse? Sometimes treating an "enemy" with respect is the best way toward a truce and reconciliation.

How does Malleus repeatedly making it clear that he doesn't respect certain editors help? Malleus gets to choose who doesn't deserve to be treated with civility, then jump in the gutter and call them a "cunt" or "dick" or speculate about their "wet or dry dreams". So what does that accomplish except more antagonism?

Think of all the WP text written about Malleus's vulgarity, both for and against. What a waste, when all Malleus has to do is leave a few words out of his vocabulary. Is he incapable of that? If he is, he has a problem.

No wonder WP is such a nasty place.

[A Horse With No Name]

And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement" is officially opened

There is no longer any novelty in watching these obnoxious people "enforce" anything.

[that one guy]

And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement" is officially opened

There is no longer any novelty in watching these obnoxious people "enforce" anything.

It's funny watching Jehochman though! He thinks that there should have been an RFC. Sounds like he wants to follow process for the sake of process.

Though this seems like a far cry from the days where he defended Durova from the evil Giano.

[Web Fred]

<sigh> Are they still trying to claim that the most objectionable word in the UK is somehow OK to use, just because a small subsection of the English speaking population use it as mild but friendly abuse in certain circumstances? Guy Chapman has much to answer for in making that claim.

In private groups you might get away with it, with people you know. Anywhere else you are taking a big risk of being flattened by someone who would be outraged or arrested for offensive language. I doubt the magistrates would be overly impressed by the "Someone told me it was OK on Wikipedia" defence.

For some reason I doubt that in most cases anyone fey enough or thin-skinned to be insulted or incensed by the C-word would have the physical ability to flatten the speaker.

Civility is a matter of courtesy and respect for a fellow being. It is not something that is "deserved" or earned. It is the way individuals treat each other in a civilized society. Because someone does not agree with Malleus does not give him leave to spatter them with vulgarity. What will that achieve? Will that improve the discourse? Sometimes treating an "enemy" with respect is the best way toward a truce and reconciliation.

How does Malleus repeatedly making it clear that he doesn't respect certain editors help? Malleus gets to choose who doesn't deserve to be treated with civility, then jump in the gutter and call them a "cunt" or "dick" or speculate about their "wet or dry dreams". So what does that accomplish except more antagonism?

Think of all the WP text written about Malleus's vulgarity, both for and against. What a waste, when all Malleus has to do is leave a few words out of his vocabulary. Is he incapable of that? If he is, he has a problem.

No wonder WP is such a nasty place.

I've heard some total new-age bollocks spouted before, but the above is right up there with the most hippyish.

[dogbiscuit]

For some reason I doubt that in most cases anyone fey enough or thin-skinned to be insulted or incensed by the C-word would have the physical ability to flatten the speaker.

Which just shows that you don't get it.

Try this:

Stand at a bar in the UK, find a suitable test case, such as a bunch of builders who have been happily calling each other all sorts of names on the building site, and as a stranger say:

"I was at the bar first, you cunt."

We have an excellent ambulance and health service for such situations. A wimpy "Someone on Wikipedia said it was normal to call people cunts" is not going to work in the few nanoseconds you will have to errect your defences.

[Web Fred]

For some reason I doubt that in most cases anyone fey enough or thin-skinned to be insulted or incensed by the C-word would have the physical ability to flatten the speaker.

Which just shows that you don't get it.

Try this:

Stand at a bar in the UK, find a suitable test case, such as a bunch of builders who have been happily calling each other all sorts of names on the building site, and as a stranger say:

"I was at the bar first, you cunt."

We have an excellent ambulance and health service for such situations. A wimpy "Someone on Wikipedia said it was normal to call people cunts" is not going to work in the few nanoseconds you will have to errect your defences.

First off I am a Brit, secondly it's a bad analogy and thirdly not all wp editors are pusil, teenage basement dwellers.

And fourthly anyone knows you wait for one of them to go to the bog, you follow him in, and only then do you call him a cunt... rinse and repeat.

[dogbiscuit]

For some reason I doubt that in most cases anyone fey enough or thin-skinned to be insulted or incensed by the C-word would have the physical ability to flatten the speaker.

Which just shows that you don't get it.

Try this:

Stand at a bar in the UK, find a suitable test case, such as a bunch of builders who have been happily calling each other all sorts of names on the building site, and as a stranger say:

"I was at the bar first, you cunt."

We have an excellent ambulance and health service for such situations. A wimpy "Someone on Wikipedia said it was normal to call people cunts" is not going to work in the few nanoseconds you will have to errect your defences.

First off I am a Brit, secondly it's a bad analogy and thirdly not all wp editors are pusil, teenage basement dwellers.

And fourthly anyone knows you wait for one of them to go to the bog, you follow him in, and only then do you call him a cunt... rinse and repeat.

It's a fine analogy. The basic argument is that cunt is a not a word to use to people you do not know just because in some circumstances it has been shown that friends use it as a mild riposte. There are certain Wikipedians who are trying to argue that because in some limited circumstances it can be shown to be acceptable, it must therefore be acceptable in all circumstances.

The fact remains that it is a word that in general public, which includes overhearing it on the Clapham omnibus, it is considered to be singularly offensive. If you are overheard using it in public it is deemed unacceptable, and if you direct the word at someone you do not know it is unacceptable except in very rare circumstances. Even on adult dramas on late night TV, the only way the word would be used would be as a deliberate shock value on some drama deemed as high value, it is not worth the hassle of justifying it to the broadcast higher-ups otherwise. I've had someone put on a final warning for being thrown off a flight for using the word.

[A Horse With No Name]

...not all wp editors are pusil, teenage basement dwellers.

Thanks for confirming that Kevin Rutherford is a mere aberration!

[chrisoff]

I wonder why Malleus doesn't see himself in control more. He lets others be in charge of his behavior and "drive him to distraction". He can't help himself, except when really on the chopping block.

He's a member of the "how does that make you feel" school. Other editors "make" him feel and do things. Well, he's being nice now, cause he's scared.

But he really doesn't have anything to be scared of. So he gets banned from RFC by Arbcom. That would be doing him and everyone else a favor. And that's the worse that can happen.

All this wailing and bemoaning by the little gang that runs to his protection is all upset over that!

(The problem is that the vested admins who always reverted his blocks (Moni3 et al) have to be more careful now - too much scrutiny has befallen Malleus. They can't get away with the quick unblocks that easily now. So maybe he'll have to behave - imagine!)

[lilburne]

The fact remains that it is a word that in general public, which includes overhearing it on the Clapham omnibus, it is considered to be singularly offensive.

I've met the guy on the Clapham omnibus ... He's a right cunt.
Johnny Rotten

[Detective]

I've met the guy on the Clapham omnibus ... He's a right cunt.
Johnny Rotten

OK, if Johnny Rotten had been a WP editor he'd have been blocked for offensive language. Your point being?

Incidentally, why was nobody involved in putting and keeping images of Mohammed banned for incivility to Muslims?

[Tarc]

Incidentally, why was nobody involved in putting and keeping images of Mohammed banned for incivility to Muslims?

Perhaps because doing something that others may find offensive is not an inherently incivil action?

[Ottava]

And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement" is officially opened

Civility is how one shows respect; if one is forced to be civil toward those who do not deserve it, then civility itself loses all meaning.

I miss when civility meant to wear the proper clothes, drink tea the correct way, and to use proper grammar when speaking.