From: (Cool Three)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:05:39 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet of
thekohser?
To the arbitration committee,
I am the real Cool3. Today, after a long absence from Wikipedia (due to
largely unforeseen travel and illness as well as general business), I
returned to Wikipedia to check my watchlist and talk page. Imagine my
surprise to discover that my account had apparently when compromised, had
the password changed, and been blocked. I must say that is probably
partially my fault, as I was using a very weak password, but that is a
mistake I will not make again.
In any case, could you please assist me in recovering the account?
KnightLago should be able to confirm that this is my email address as can
Juliancolton and a few other miscellaneous editors.
Thanks,
Cool3
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:24:49 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
This is message is to confirm that we have received your email. We will get
back to you as soon as possible.
KnightLago
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From: (Steve Smith)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:29:48 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
(List only)
So I assume what's happened here is that Limey has taken the account back
over, and is therefore able to demonstrate that the account is now in the
hands of its legitimate pre-Greg owner. Of course, if that owner sold the
account to Greg in the first place, that's not exactly helpful information.
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From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:34:34 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Then my question would be : How did he get compromised for about or more
than 3 months without realizing it?
Kenneth/MD
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From: (Steve Smith)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:36:35 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Weren't you reading? Unforeseen travel, illness, and general business!
Lord t'undering, whatever happened to assuming good faith?
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From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:40:40 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Sorry, I got distracted reading that TheKohser owning up to that Cool3 was
(and probably still is) under his control. :3
http://www.webcitation.org/5mzxlULCwKenneth/MD
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:43:44 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
<list only>
I am suspicious that this is Kohs again. Though I can confirm that this is
an email address I have corresponded with before as Cool3. But Kohs could
have easily created it for that purpose when he got the account.
Roger forwarded an email to the list on the 21 titled "Re: [arbcom-I] Cool3"
in which Kohs asked whether we had done anything to make it impossible for
Cool3 to even sign into the account. Roger said no. I am not sure of the
exact date Kohs sent the email. Roger, can you check?
On the 20th the password was reset by an IP Kohs has used before to edit and
sock. The useragents match from previous socks. See:
20 January 2010
- (Logs<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3A>)
. . 23:03 . .
69.141.192.61<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.141.192.61>
(talk<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:69.141.192.61&action=edit&redlink=1>
|
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/69.141.192.61>) reset
password for user "Cool3"
*IP*:
69.141.192.61<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=69.141.192.61&reason=arbcom-I+thread>
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7)
Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6
Kohs also emailed me yesterday asking about the Trulyeqal1 account, and
wanted to know whether, as a reward for his BLP "efforts", we would unblock
the Cool3 account. I also recall him expressing interest in getting the
account back on WR, but I am not sure where.
All in all I am very wary of this. Thoughts?
KL
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From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:47:52 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Does this mailing list keep the original email headers that the originator's
email was sent from?
Kenneth/MD
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Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:05:44 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
I changed the first "delivered to" address from my other email to the one I
use for WP. But it appears I missed another couple instances. So as you may
guess, my name is Tom, and I am an Arbitrator. :-)
KL
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From: (Marc A. Pelletier)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:17:36 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
On 23/01/2010 7:05 AM, Cool Three wrote:
> To the arbitration committee,
> I am the real Cool3. Today, after a long absence from Wikipedia (due
> to largely unforeseen travel and illness as well as general business),
> I returned to Wikipedia to check my watchlist and talk page. Imagine
> my surprise to discover that my account had apparently when
> compromised, had the password changed, and been blocked. I must say
> that is probably partially my fault, as I was using a very weak
> password, but that is a mistake I will not make again.
>
> In any case, could you please assist me in recovering the account?
> KnightLago should be able to confirm that this is my email address as
> can Juliancolton and a few other miscellaneous editors.
>
I smell a rat.
I'm afraid that, without some more convincing proof, that would be a Bad
Idea. No commited identity hash, gmail address... my opinion is "not
without some direct tie-in to a real-life identity".
-- Coren / Marc
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From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:22:35 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
We can ask for Juliancolton's opinion or for background as well, if you guys
are agreeable for it.
If he's using history to try and back his case, then he jolly well be 100%
consistent in his answers.
Kenneth/MD
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:24:29 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Kohs could have easily created this account and corresponded with me and
Julian without us knowing that it was him.
KL
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From:(Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:26:35 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Good call. I have no reason to take the email at face value either.
Kenneth/MD
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:24 PM, KnightLago wrote:
> Kohs could have easily created this account and corresponded with me and
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From: (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:18:55 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
We could ask him what was the former weak password and how long he had
it. Awhile back (two years?) after a few administrator accounts were
hijacked, the developers did a check on admin accounts with certain
types of weak passwords - we could try to find out whether his was one
of the types that would have been picked up then, which would disprove
this story.
Newyorkbrad
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:57:31 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Oh, here's a chart I made a couple of days ago of Cool3, Limey, and
Thekohser (on both sites). Thekohser's posts on WR are so numerous that I
made them small.
The upshoot is that Kohs, Limey, and Cool3 look North American to me. If
they are in different time zones, I think it's only a couple off (Cool3's
older edits look more western than Kohs' east cost times).
The only interesting point is that when Thekohser was unbanned, he
completely stopped posting on WP and WR from August 10 to August 19. In
this time period, Cool3 woke up from relatively low activity. That said, I
think it might be coincidental because Cool3 still looks to be on a more
western timezone at that time, and because the edges are ragged--they don't
neatly fit together.
Could someone post a complete Checkuser with dates? It was my impression
that Cool3's earliest available edits did not seem Kohsian, or is that not
so? I whether this might be Kohs all the way down.
Frank
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From: (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:53:59 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
How about if someone writes directly to Kohs and asks him? I know
that we couldn't necessarily take the answer at face value, but I've
been surprised before.
(I once asked an obnoxious vandal/troll to stop, and he basically
responded "okay. No one ever asked me nicely before," and I never saw
him again. So one never knows.)
Newyorkbrad
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From: (Carcharoth)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:36:25 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
FWIW, Kohs has said openly on WR that Cool3 was his sock, so that is
not in dispute. The question seems to be who is in control of the
account now. Unless a password reset is forced and sent to anyone we
accept as being the real Cool3, we can't reasonably say who is in
control of the account.
Carcharoth
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:29:34 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Kohs is alright with me; I believe we have some report. I've never known
him to dissemble in response to a direct question, which is more than can be
said of some.
Does anyone mind if I ask him?
Frank
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From: (Risker)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:35:00 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Works for me.
Although for the record, I'm disinclined to resysop the account regardless
of what the answer is.
Risker/Anne
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:49:08 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
The password reset was done by an IP (with the same user agent) that Kohs
has used before to edit and sock. So I think it it pretty clear that Kohs is
in control of the account.
I am with Risker. Regardless of what Koh's answer is, I am not inclined to
unblock or resysop without solid proof that the real Cool3 is back in
control of the account.
KL
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From: (Carcharoth)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:27:59 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
I can agree with that. You said in your initial reply "We will get
back to you as soon as possible." Do you think that you could deal
with this thread and sorting out a reply of some sort?
Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, KnightLago wrote:
> The password reset was done by an IP (with the same user
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:30:14 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Sure. I will send a draft back to the list when I get it written for
comment.
KL
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> I can agree with that. You said in your initial reply "We will
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:40 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Frank did you ever email Kohs and ask him? Thanks.
KL
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:37:11 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Yes I did email Kohs. No reply yet.
At any rate, I would be reluctant to restore the bit even if I was sure the
account was out of Kohs' hands--failing to notice a runaway account after
leaving it weakly protected is not something that we should value in an
administrator. I still don't understand why we did for Coffee, who
intentionally shared his password.
I think we should also ask some questions of the "real Cool3." I would most
like to know when he claims he last was in control of the account; this
might be confirmed from CU data, or not. We could also ask where he normally
edits from (assuming it might be evident on our first CU), and why he
maintained a password so weak that he immediately concluded that Kohs had
guessed it.
Frank
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:45:14 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Kohs replied to my questioned. He didn't answer, but mentioned this:
Before I start spilling the beans, I want a question answered.
About 4 days ago, I tried signing into the Cool3 account with the
password that I knew worked a month ago, but the password was rejected
by the system. When I asked for it to "resend my password" via
e-mail, I didn't receive any e-mail. I need this explained to me
before I'll talk; other than to say, I haven't sent any e-mail to any
ArbCom person since an e-mail I sent to Roger Davies (about the
aforementioned problem) on January 20-21, and a similar note to
KnightLago on the same dates.
Greg
Seems genuinely puzzled about what happened. He says he used "E-mail new
password," but never got the email. I have two questions for CU experts:
1. Would this cause the account password to reset as reflected in the log?
2. Is it possible to determine what email the account was associated with or
to clear the association?
On related, can someone send me the detailed CU with edits?
Frank
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From:(Hersfold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:53:05 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
1. I just checked myself to see this - just clicking "Email new
password" does NOT trigger the password reset. It appears as though you
need to follow the instructions in the email before this is logged. I
would assume resetting via preferences would also trigger a log entry.
2. No, outside of developer intervention there's no way to tell what
email goes to what account unless they email you through Emailuser.
Emails in checkuser logs are hashed anyway so you can't identify
recipients. Thinking of it, a developer may not even be of much help, as
they may only be able to access the current email and not previous ones.
----
User:Hersfold
hersfoldwiki at gmail.com
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From: (Carcharoth)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:57:25 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
This actually sounds similar to a strange complaint Geogre made that
various nefarious people were targetting him and resetting his
passwords (this was an explanation he gave for some early changes in
accounts). It seems some people think that it is possible for
checkusers or developers to force a password reset. The question I
have is whether this is true or not, and if so, how is it logged?
Carcharoth
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From: (Hersfold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:02:24 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Developers can of course *do* anything, but whether or not they *will*
is an entirely different matter. And the answer there, 99.9999% of the
time, would probably be "hell no". If on the incredibly rare chance they
did change a password, I would highly doubt there would be a log of it
unless they logged into the account themselves to make the change.
Checkusers can't do diddly with passwords. All we can do is see when the
primary password for the account is changed; we are unable to force
anything, and temporary password requests are not recorded in the
checkuser log.
----
User:Hersfold
hersfoldwiki at gmail.com
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:23:07 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Thanks. I don't think he's going to like these answers. He'll might think
I'm calling him a liar. I'm agnostic on that question though: if he really
did buy an account, it's conceivable that he would have it pulled out from
under him.
I suspect we won't get an explaination though. Meh.
Frank
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Hersfold <hersfoldwiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. I just checked myself to see this - just clicking "Email new password"
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From: (Hersfold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:34:28 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
No explanation = no returning of the tools. Simple enough. :-) The match
we found was rock-solid - if he's no longer in control of the account,
then it is or was compromised, and by our policies, remains blocked.
Whichever the correct verb is, it makes no difference.
----
User:Hersfold
hersfoldwiki at gmail.com
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
> Thanks. I don't think he's going to like these answers.
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:39 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
I assume that we wouldn't be returning the tools to Kohs!
I mean Kohs seemed poised to explain how he did it. I get the sense he
really would like some attention for being clever, so maybe he'll elaborate
yet. Or not. Any further inquiry will have to be directed through the
"real Cool3," but I think we're done here.
Frank
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Hersfold wrote:
> No explanation = no returning of the tools. Simple enough.
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:16:52 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
I checked my email and talked to Juliancolton. We both have email from this
address in mid-June; in the midst of Cool3's pursuit of adminship. But, I am
not sure if this is the real Cool3, the person who sold the account to Kohs,
or Kohs himself. Barring us knowing for certain we cannot do anything with
the account.
Draft reply:
Cool3,
The Arbitration Committee has looked into your claim. Unfortunately, we are
unable to conclusively establish your identity. Email was sent to both
Juliancolton and I in mid-June of 2009. However, the Committee cannot
determine who was in control of the account, and by association this email
address at that time. Barring conclusive proof of you being the original
Cool3, we cannot assist you in recovering the account.
Thoughts?
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From: (Carcharoth)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:18:08 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Sounds good.
Carcharoth
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From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:23:46 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Can we at least ask him when he claims to have lost control of the account?
Frank
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:01:12 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Cool3,
At what point did you lose control of the account?
Thanks,
KnightLago
------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:45:20 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Cool3,
Thank you. It may not seem like it, but we are actively looking into the
matter. I will get back to you again as soon as possible.
Thanks,
KnightLago
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Cool Three wrote:
> My last edit with the account was this one
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...did=316344154on 26 September. I logged in once or twice in October to check my
> watchlist, but from the beginning of November until my email a few days ago,
> I had not tried to log in.
>
> On that basis, it seems fair to assume that whomever took over the account
> did so on 23 Novenmber with this edit
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...=327460104(that was not me).
>
> Hope that helps,
> Cool3
>
> P.S., Given that it seems to be taking the committee some time to
> straighten all of this out, I am currently editing with my secondary
> account. User:Cool three.
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:59:21 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Cool3,
A further question. Before your last edit, prior to September 26th, do you
recall ever editing while logged out? If so, please send a difference if you
remember where and when it occurred.
Thanks,
KnightLago
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:04:24 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
<list only>
CU from [[User:Cool three]]:
(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul-Henri_Spaak&curid=162364&diff=339992484&oldid=339755780>)
(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul-Henri_Spaak&curid=162364&action=history>)
. . Paul-Henri Spaak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul-Henri_Spaak> . .
15:44 . . Cool three <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cool_three>
(talk<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cool_three> |
contribs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cool_three> |
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/Cool_three>) *(Previously
blocked<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ACool+three>
)* (Early life: )
*IP*: 163.1.214.119<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=163.1.214.119&reason=arbcom-I+thread+re+Cool3+account>
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us)
AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9
The IP has not been used by Kohs as far as I can see. The user agent is also
different.
The following account was created on the 19th on the same IP with the same
user agent as [[User:Cool three]].
(Logs<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ANo+Name+Given>)
. . 16:05 . . No Name Given<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:No_Name_Given>
(talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:No_Name_Given> |
contribs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/No_Name_Given>
|
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/No_Name_Given>) new user
account
*IP*: 163.1.214.119<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=163.1.214.119&reason=arbcom-I+thread+re+Cool3+account>
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us)
AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9
Cool3's contention that his last edit was on the 26th doesn't help us. There
is no CU date from that far back.
This CU data would seem to rule out Kohs. I have been keeping track of his
socks, and he has not used this IP or user agent that I have seen. I am
hoping Cool3 can provide an instance where he edited while logged out.
Looking at the IP from then would be helpful.
I am still not sure if this would rule out a person who sold the account to
Kohs though. That person could have had the account and this email address
until it was clearly handed over to Kohs as evidenced by the editing. But
handing over an email address as well seems a little far fetched to me.
Thoughts?
KL
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From: stevethearbitrator at gmail.com (Steve Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:30:39 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
I don't think it's at all far-fetched that the gmail address came with the
account. Even if it didn't, we could well be communicating with the guy who
sold the account, instead of with the guy who bought it. So what?
-----------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:36:56 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
I understand. Steve, do you know who was offering the admin account for
sale? If so, do they have a WP account that you know of? I would like to run
that if possible.
The IP below resolves to Oxford University in the UK.
KL
------------
From: (Steve Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:43:12 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
It was WR poster Limey, who's referred to himself in the past as "John
Limey", which I assume is a pseudonym. He claims to be User:ShortJason, who
hasn't edited since September 2006 (but who also seems to be part of a
sockfarm - not sure if there's anything more recent to be had there).
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From: (Risker)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:56:17 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Okay folks, it's time to make a decision here, because Cool3 is now showing
up in "official" wikipedia IRC channels using the same IP as below. I just
got pinged and told that he is in #wikipedia-en, #wikipedia, and
#wiki-hurricanes (the latter being a "project" channel).
My inclination is to say "sorry, your account has been compromised and we
cannot be certain under whose control it remains at this time."
Risker/Anne
-------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:59:39 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
<list only>
The IP he says is his below resolves to Georgetown University in the US. He
is now editing from the UK. I do not know what to make of it. I guess we
could ask him what the deal is. But I still think we are no closer than
confirming anything than before unfortunately.
KL
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Cool Three
Date: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
To: KnightLago
My apologies. I spoke in error. I have received messages from JulianColton
on another account, but it appears that I did not send any to him using that
account (this then seems to do us no good). There is one final thing which
might help. I am Cool3 on IRC if that helps anything. I am currently
logged in as Cool3, but I will be departing shortly. Don't know if it helps
or not.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:54 AM, KnightLago wrote:
> Which other email address did you use with JulianColton?
>
> KL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Cool Three wrote:
>
>> Oh I understand. This<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.161.68.133> is
>> me, although it may not be immediately obvious. That's all I can find at
>> the moment. As for confirming my identity, we have corresponded via this
>> email address previously. I've also corresponded with JulianColton,
>> Cyclonebiskit, and a few other Wikpedians from this address. If the concern
>> is that this email address is also compromised, I've also corresponded with
>> JulianColton using a different email address (though I can't be certain if
>> he keeps his emails back far enough to be able to confirm that). I'm not
>> sure if any of that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:18 AM, KnightLago wrote:
>>
>>> No, I am not suggesting that. My question is, do you recall ever
>>> mistakenly editing while logging out, say signing a comment, noticing you
>>> were logged out, and then logging in and signing again under your account? I
>>> am trying to find a way to confirm your identity. Any thoughts on how to do
>>> that would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> KnightLago
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Cool Three wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ever? I'm sure I have, but I'd have trouble finding one off the top of
>>>> my head. I'm afraid I don't quite understand the question. If you're
>>>> asking if I've ever done anything improper while logged out, then the answer
>>>> is no.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:59 PM, KnightLago wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cool3,
>>>>>
>>>>> A further question. Before your last edit, prior to September 26th, do
-----------
From: (Risker)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:27:57 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: I have been blocked and desysopped as a
sockpuppet of thekohser?
<list only>
I rather doubt that is him on the Georgetown IP, I think he probably
selected it because it is an IP that edited the same article as he did.
Today's IRC login shows the same IP as in the previous thread (the Oxford
one). His earlier IRC link was
<irc://freenode/juliancolton,isnick>>[2009-06-16 17:14:42] -->| Cool3 (
n=chatzill at adsl-68-78-128-73.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) has joined
#wiki-hurricanes <irc://freenode/%23wiki-hurricanes>
That IP geolocates to Naperville Illinois, but it's AT&T so the geolocation
isn't particularly reliable. The IP also shows up on some blacklists.
Risker/Anne
----------
From: (Cool Hand Luke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:58:40 -0600
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: I have been blocked and desysopped as a
I doubt he was British before; that would make him a consistent night owl
since he got the account--he has not once in over 4 years has he edited
between 0710 and 1050, and he's only edited between 0620 and 1200 a handful
of times. His 2009 activity shows lots of edits over 16 hours, with 8 hours
~0600-1400 off every day. Looks strongly N.Am. Some people are night owls,
but they are usually scattered when they are. His old edit patterns were
steady, like someone with a full-time job.
Incidentally, as I suspected, Kohs did refuse to explain anything because he
didn't like my answers. He instead offered a far-fetched explaination for
why he can no longer log in:
It seems odd to me that I would voluntarily change the password to
Cool3, then hours later ask Roger Davies how I sign into the account.
I'm usually pretty good at remembering my passwords, especially one
that I may have changed just hours earlier. I suspect someone who was
blazing away on the CheckUser process has a "buddy" in the developer
crew, and that "someone" took over the account in a way similar to how
I had taken over the account a couple of months earlier. I wouldn't
put it past them to "tag" this change with my IP address. I mean, how
hard is "copy" and "paste" in a transaction log?
As far as I'm concerned, Cool3 would need a letter from the Pope notarized
by President Obama. I don't want to imply that we are trying to pry into
his personal life, so maybe it's best to cut it off here and send the
message KL originally proposed.
Frank
-----------
From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:21:43 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: I have been blocked and desysopped as a
sockpuppet of thekohser?
LOL!!!!!
Kenneth/MD
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Cool Hand Luke <
User.CoolHandLuke at gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I'm concerned, Cool3 would need a letter from the Pope notarized
-----------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:15:03 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
I am going to unblock while we continue looking into your situation. We
should be getting back to you in the next few days. In the meantime, besides
the [[User:Cool three]] account, have you edited under any other accounts
since you returned?
Thanks,
KnightLago
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Cool Three <coolthree at gmail.com> wrote:
> As I disclosed to the committee, I have been editing with my secondary
> account (User:Cool three) while the committee sorts out the issues
> surrounding my compromised account (luckily, this secondary account was not
> also compromised, perhaps because of its very low profile). I have now
> been blocked<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ACool+three&type=block> on
> that account, and would like to appeal to the committee to unblock me.
> Unless it is your intention that I should not be permitted to edit while
> you sort things out, would you or another member of the committee please
> unblock me (it seems that other admins are reluctant to do so).
>
> Thanks,
> Cool3
------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:23:56 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: My secondary account
<list only>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Cool Three
Date: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: My secondary account
To: KnightLago
No.
-----------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:53:44 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
An interesting development here. He says he has not edited under any other
accounts since he returned, but another account was created on the 19th on
the IP he has been using since the 24th. See below copied from a previous
email.
CU from [[User:Cool three]]:
(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul-Henri_Spaak&curid=162364&diff=339992484&oldid=339755780>)
(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul-Henri_Spaak&curid=162364&action=history>)
. . Paul-Henri Spaak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul-Henri_Spaak> . .
15:44 . . Cool three <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cool_three>
(talk<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cool_three> |
contribs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cool_three> |
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/Cool_three>) *(Previously
blocked<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ACool+three>
)* (Early life: )
*IP*: 163.1.214.119<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=163.1.214.119&reason=arbcom-I+thread+re+Cool3+account>
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us)
AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9
(Logs<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ANo+Name+Given>)
. . 16:05 . . No Name Given<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:No_Name_Given>
(talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:No_Name_Given> |
contribs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/No_Name_Given>
|
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/No_Name_Given>) new user
account
*IP*: 163.1.214.119<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=163.1.214.119&reason=arbcom-I+thread+re+Cool3+account>
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us)
AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9
Risker and I had discussed allowing him to return to editing provided that
he used a single account, the Cool3 account remains blocked, and that the
only way to regain the bit would be RfA. But this other account, and him not
disclosing it, is bothering me.
Thoughts on what to do with this?
KL
-----------
From: (Carcharoth)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:57:14 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
What the hell sort of user name is "No Name Given"?
Carcharoth
-----------
From: (Risker)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:03:03 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
One I wish I had thought of? (IMG:
smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)
I'd rank it with "A Nobody" and similar.
Anne
------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:49:59 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
Bump
Thoughts? I would like to wrap this up.
KL
------------
From: KnightLago at gmail.com (KnightLago)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:50:31 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Message-ID: <b82ef2a01001280850j5e990f9cod1c60751bf908a3d@mail.gmail.com>
This needs to be wrapped up. So the following is a proposed draft reply with
conditions. I plan to send it tomorrow morning barring objections.
Cool3,
The Arbitration Committee has looked into your claim. Unfortunately, we are
unable to conclusively establish your identity. Email was sent to both
Juliancolton and I in mid-June of 2009. However, the Committee cannot
determine who was in control of the account, and by association this email
address at that time. Barring conclusive proof of you being the original
Cool3, we cannot assist you in recovering that account.
While your identity is not ascertainable, we will allow you to continue
editing under a few conditions. First, that you edit from only one account,
and notify the Committee should you wish to edit from another account.
Second, that in order to gain the administrator permission you must go
through an RFA. If these conditions are acceptable please let me know.
Thanks,
KnightLago
-----------
From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:48:15 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] My secondary account
Too cryptic to sound legit to me.
Kenneth/MD
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:49 AM, KnightLago <KnightLago at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bump
>
> Thoughts? I would like to wrap this up.
-------------
From: (Kirill Lokshin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:06:39 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Works for me.
Kirill
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM, KnightLago wrote:
> This needs to be wrapped up. So the following is a proposed draft reply
------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:21:17 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Cool3,
The Arbitration Committee has looked into your claim. Unfortunately, we are
unable to conclusively establish your identity. Email was sent to both
Juliancolton and I in mid-June of 2009. However, the Committee cannot
determine who was in control of the account, and by association this email
address at that time. Barring conclusive proof of you being the original
Cool3, we cannot assist you in recovering that account.
While your identity is not ascertainable, we will allow you to continue
editing under a few conditions. First, that you edit from only one account,
and notify the Committee should you wish to edit from another account.
Second, that in order to gain the administrator permission you must go
through an RFA. If these conditions are acceptable please let me know as
soon as possible.
Thanks,
KnightLago
-------------
From: (Kenneth Kua/ArbCom)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:49:37 +0800
Subject: [arbcom-l] Cool3
Looks like it was sent out in the other thread already. In any case it looks
good to me as well.
Kenneth/MD
---------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:58:31 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Cool3,
I received your email, and one from Pharos. Let me consult with the rest of
the Committee and I will get back in touch.
Thanks,
KnightLago
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Cool Three wrote:
> KnightLago,
> I appreciate the committee's difficulty in ascertaining my identity. While
> I can not prove conclusively that I am the "original" Cool3, there are a few
> things the proof of which I can supply to the committee. Using another
> email account than this one, I exchanged emails with User:Pharos (now a
> semi-active admin) in May 2007 and User:CanadianCaesar (now evidently
> inactive) in March 2006. Given the enormous amount of time that has passed,
> it is uncertain whether any of them will help, but I have emailed Pharos
> from that account. Assuming that Pharos can provide prove that this
> conversation took place, then it will be evident that I am the same Cool3 as
> I was nearly 3 years ago. I'm not sure if that's good enough for the
> committee.
>
> Also, I do not know how certain the committee is that this account was
> compromised by "Gregory Kohs" (User:Thekohser), but I am more than able to
> supply proof that I am not Gregory Kohs. A checkuser run on User:Cool three
> will show that I am editing from the University of Oxford at the present
> time. Unless Gregory Kohs is also at the University of Oxford (which seems
> to me unlikely), this should serve as proof that I am not he.
>
> If none of this evidence is sufficient to demonstrate to the committee that
> I am the rightful Cool3, I do, however, have a request. In the first place,
> I am certain that I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am not
> Gregory Kohs. In the second, I feel that you have strong evidence to show
> that I am User:Cool3, even if it is not, as you say, conclusive. In light
> of the uncertainty (if the above proof is insufficient), I can understand
> the committee's reluctance to give me back administrator status; however, I
> see no reason that I should not be permitted to take back the Cool3 account
> without those permissions (I fail to see how this could possibly cause any
> damage), so that all of my edits can be kept in one place.
------------
From: (KnightLago)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:59:49 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Wikipedia e-mail about Michael Woodruff article
Pharos,
Thank you for your email.
KnightLago
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pharos wrote:
> Hi KnightLago,
>
> I wanted to confirm on Jimothy's behalf that he and I had the below
> email conversation in 2007 (which I recall distinctly and which I have
> records of in my inbox archive), and that he has contacted me again
> from the very same email address, which fact will hopefully go some
> way toward helping him get his wiki identity back.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> (User:Pharos)
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Jimothy Smithson
> <potatoes345> wrote:
> > Pharos,
> > I'm not sure if you recall the exchange below, but it is a brief email
> > conversation we had in 2007 (I am Wikipedia User:Cool3). A few months
> ago,
> > my Wikipedia account was compromised and I am now in the process of
> trying
> > to prove to ArbCom that I am the rightful owner. Thus, if you could
> > represent to KnightLago of the ArbCom (KnightLago at gmail.com) that we did
> in
> > fact have the conversation below, it would be most helpful.
> >
> > Thank you very much,
> > Cool3
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 10:56 PM, Pharos
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It's too late for me to get to the library now, but hopefully you'll
> >> have better luck with your friend in Edinburgh.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> On 4/25/07, Jimothy Smithson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't have access to my copy of Nothing Venture Nothing Win right
> >>> now so I can't guarantee you that there are Australian photos in it,
> >>> but I seem to recall that there were. You'll have to make a judgement
> >>> call there. Sorry for the delay in responding, I don't check this
> >>> email address at the office so I didn't find your email until a few
> >>> moments ago. All in all, though, I'd say there's an 80% chance you
> >>> could get the right photo out of Nothing Venture Nothing Win. In
> >>> either case, a friend of mine in Edinburgh might be able to send a
> >>> picture of Woodruff to me from his own collection. If so, I'll upload
> >>> it immediately.
> >>>
> >>> Best Luck
> >>>
> >>> On 4/25/07, Pharos wrote:
> >>> > Please respond to this soon, because it's a somewhat urgent matter.
> >>> > "Michael Woodruff" has been moved up to tomorrow UTC, which is just
> >>> > -seven hours- from now. Can you please answer my last query, i.e.
> >>> > whether there are any photos of him in Australia in "Nothing Venture
> >>> > Nothing Win" or another book?
> >>> >
> >>> > I might go out and make a long trip to the library today (it's about
> >>> > 45 minutes away), but only if I know I'm actually going to find a
> >>> > photo in the book.
> >>> >
> >>> > Of course it would be great if you could just photograph a plate from
> >>> > the book with a digital camera and upload it yourself (or just e-mail
> >>> > it to me), but that's not necessary. If you're unable to do that,
> I'm
> >>> > asking you to please just confirm what books about him may have an
> >>> > Australian photo.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you very much
> >>> >
> >>> > Please remember this is a very timely issue
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4/19/07, Pharos <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > Yeah, unfortunately, we have pretty strict copyright policies so I
> >>> > > don't think the 1946 English photograph would be acceptable. I've
> >>> > > looked into Australian copyright laws, though, and I believe any
> >>> > > Australian photo from before 1955 (which would cover his whole
> period
> >>> > > in Australia, if I've read the article right) would be public
> domain.
> >>> > > If you can't make a scan yourself (or indeed just use a digital
> >>> > > camera, which is almost as good), could you at least point me to
> any
> >>> > > books that you know have photos of him from Australia? I live in
> New
> >>> > > York City, so it shouldn't be a problem for me taking any book out
> of
> >>> > > the library. Thanks.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On 4/19/07, Jimothy Smithson <potatoes345 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > > I really know nothing about non-US copyright law. I don't have a
> >>> > > > scanner so I can't upload pictures out any books that I own, but
> I
> >>> > > > would suggest that you look at
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
>
http://renux.dmed.ed.ac.uk/EdREN/Unitbits/...transplant.html> >>> > > > which includes a photo taken of Woodruff in 1946 in England. I
> >>> > > > have
> >>> > > > in the past obtained permission from the author of that website
> to
> >>> > > > include the photo in Wikipedia only; however, he did not respond
> to
> >>> > > > requests to license it under GFDL or Creative Commons.
> Apparently,
> >>> > > > the photograph was originally taken by a female physician who is
> >>> > > > now
> >>> > > > in her late 80s and has no computer access so between those two
> >>> > > > factors, I can assure you that Wikipedia would face no legal
> >>> > > > problems
> >>> > > > in using the picture (of course we both know that legality is not
> >>> > > > the
> >>> > > > only relevant issue). However, as the picture was taken 60 years
> >>> > > > ago,
> >>> > > > it might now be in the public domain; I'll leave that to you.
> >>> > > > Thanks for letting me know the article is to be featured,
> >>> > > > Cool3
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > On 4/18/07, Pharos <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > > > I notice you haven't been editing Wikipedia much recently. You
> >>> > > > > may be interested to know that your fabulous featured article
> on Michael
> >>> > > > > Woodruff is (tentatively) scheduled for the Main Page on April
> 27.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > However, we still don't have a free image of him, and because
> of
> >>> > > > > a recent tightening of the rules, we probably won't be able to
> use a fair
> >>> > > > > use image on the Main Page. It would be great if you could
> look over your
> >>> > > > > copy of "Nothing Venture Nothing Win" for possible
> uncopyrighted photos. In
> >>> > > > > particular, any photos taken when he was in Australia would by
> now be in the
> >>> > > > > public domain. Also, if there are any photos taken by the
> British
> >>> > > > > government before 1957 (of course I suppose that's less likely)
> these would
> >>> > > > > also be in the public domain.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > It would be great if you could upload any such photo or just
> >>> > > > > forward it to me if you're unsure how to upload it. And please
> include all
> >>> > > > > information about the photograph: who took it, when it was
> taken, where it
> >>> > > > > was taken, when it was first published etc.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Thank you very much
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From:(Carcharoth)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:25:34 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
Can we get more confirmation from him as to how the account got
compromised and which edits he thinks are not his and why he took such
a long break from editing (if he did)? Would that be intruding too
much into his privacy? Maybe ask him if he is prepared to go into more
detail here, but say that he is perfectly entitled to not give more
details than he already has. My main concern is that he should
identify and disown the edits and actions that were not his.
Carcharoth
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From: (KnightLago)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:29:13 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] I have been blocked and desysopped as a sockpuppet
of thekohser?
<list only>
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Cool Three wrote:
> KnightLago,
> I appreciate the committee's difficulty in ascertaining my identity. While
> I can not prove conclusively that I am the "original" Cool3, there are a few
> things the proof of which I can supply to the committee. Using another
> email account than this one, I exchanged emails with User:Pharos (now a
> semi-active admin) in May 2007 and User:CanadianCaesar (now evidently
> inactive) in March 2006. Given the enormous amount of time that has passed,
> it is uncertain whether any of them will help, but I have emailed Pharos
> from that account. Assuming that Pharos can provide prove that this
> conversation took place, then it will be evident that I am the same Cool3 as
> I was nearly 3 years ago. I'm not sure if that's good enough for the
> committee.
>
This email certainly lends weight to this person being the original Cool3.
> Also, I do not know how certain the committee is that this account was
> compromised by "Gregory Kohs" (User:Thekohser), but I am more than able to
> supply proof that I am not Gregory Kohs. A checkuser run on User:Cool three
> will show that I am editing from the University of Oxford at the present
> time. Unless Gregory Kohs is also at the University of Oxford (which seems
> to me unlikely), this should serve as proof that I am not he.
>
CU does indeed confirm that edits are coming from the University of Oxford.
Though there remains the possibility that the person who took the account
from the original Cool3 is editing from Oxford.
> If none of this evidence is sufficient to demonstrate to the committee that
> I am the rightful Cool3, I do, however, have a request. In the first place,
> I am certain that I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am not
> Gregory Kohs. In the second, I feel that you have strong evidence to show
> that I am User:Cool3, even if it is not, as you say, conclusive. In light
> of the uncertainty (if the above proof is insufficient), I can understand
> the committee's reluctance to give me back administrator status; however, I
> see no reason that I should not be permitted to take back the Cool3 account
> without those permissions (I fail to see how this could possibly cause any
> damage), so that all of my edits can be kept in one place.
>
I do not think it is possible for us to give him the account back ev