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Peter Damian
post Sat 19th November 2011, 8:40am
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 19th November 2011, 5:53am) *

(Read the comments below that story. Seems to be typical nowadays.)


I read your comment and thought the worst - it will be the usual fawning crap about bringing knowledge to all of humanity, vomit. But it wasn't. People are actually wondering why it costs that much to run a bunch of servers.
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post Sat 19th November 2011, 12:46pm
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Wow, what an excellent comment:

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If that's half for staff and half for servers, it's $20k per server and $147k per person.


Somebody's able to do the math and see through the bullshit.
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post Sun 20th November 2011, 8:39pm
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Today's banner states:
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If everyone reading this donated $10,
we could end the fundraiser today.
Please read a personal appeal.
Please help

Yesterday Jimbo begged for only $5, and promised to end the fundraising today,
"if everyone reading this donated $5" and so on.

So what happened? Airfare got more expensive? biggrin.gif

But jokes aside, this banner is really annoying and misleading, and hard to close. It has a button "please help", but no matter where one is to click inside this banner (including but not limited to Jimbos's image itself) , it will take one to the donation page. The only expedition is a small "x" in the right upper corner. If you'd be able to place your mouse precisely over this "x", it will close the banner.
Don't they understand that the banner that is made hard to close, will not increase the donations, but will do just the opposite? dry.gif

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post Mon 21st November 2011, 3:47am
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I was coming here to post about how $5 was being asked for the other day, and now it's $10, but it looks like I wasn't the only person who noticed and I was beaten to posting it.

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post Wed 23rd November 2011, 4:01am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th November 2011, 2:46pm) *

Just thought I'd point out that (as of this morning), more than once every 3 minutes (on average) someone new is visiting the "Top 10 Reasons Not to Donate to Wikipedia" page.

They're coming from Germany, the Czech Republic, India, the United Kingdom, Mexico, Australia, the United States, and Pakistan -- and that's just a sample of the most recent 20 visitors.

They're searching Google for things like:
  • is it correct to donate money for wikipedia? (Google India, #5 result)
  • wikipedia donation statistics (Google, #2 result)
  • donating to wikipedia (Google UK, #7 result)
  • how much money did wikipedia received from donations (Google, #4 result)
  • how many people donate to wikipedia (Google Sweden, #1 result)
  • donations to wikipedia (Google Singapore, #2 result)
With this much traffic and search engine exposure, do we think it would be worth improving on the landing page? How so?


Getting some love from the Vietnamese gamer community now.
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post Wed 23rd November 2011, 4:58am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 23rd November 2011, 4:01am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th November 2011, 2:46pm) *

Just thought I'd point out that (as of this morning), more than once every 3 minutes (on average) someone new is visiting the "Top 10 Reasons Not to Donate to Wikipedia" page.

They're coming from Germany, the Czech Republic, India, the United Kingdom, Mexico, Australia, the United States, and Pakistan -- and that's just a sample of the most recent 20 visitors.

They're searching Google for things like:
  • is it correct to donate money for wikipedia? (Google India, #5 result)
  • wikipedia donation statistics (Google, #2 result)
  • donating to wikipedia (Google UK, #7 result)
  • how much money did wikipedia received from donations (Google, #4 result)
  • how many people donate to wikipedia (Google Sweden, #1 result)
  • donations to wikipedia (Google Singapore, #2 result)
With this much traffic and search engine exposure, do we think it would be worth improving on the landing page? How so?


Getting some love from the Vietnamese gamer community now.

It is one great image!
I could not have missed on linking to it smile.gif

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post Sun 27th November 2011, 11:54pm
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Jimmy Wales is getting complaints on his twitter about the donation ads. Three out of his five most recent tweets are responding to messages about it. In each case, he says to click the "x" to get rid of it.
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post Mon 28th November 2011, 5:02pm
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QUOTE(Looch @ Sun 27th November 2011, 11:54pm) *

he says to click the "x" to get rid of it.


Using your favourite ad blocker to prevent retrieval of any URL containing "title=special:bannercontroller" is way more effective. Pass it on.
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post Mon 28th November 2011, 5:44pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 19th November 2011, 6:46am) *

Wow, what an excellent comment:

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If that's half for staff and half for servers, it's $20k per server and $147k per person.


Somebody's able to do the math and see through the bullshit.
It's more like a third for servers, a third for staff, and a third for transit costs. But the point remains.
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 12:28am
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Mon 28th November 2011, 5:44pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 19th November 2011, 6:46am) *

Wow, what an excellent comment:

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If that's half for staff and half for servers, it's $20k per server and $147k per person.


Somebody's able to do the math and see through the bullshit.
It's more like a third for servers, a third for staff, and a third for transit costs. But the point remains.


Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 1:52am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 12:28am) *



Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?


Why don't you ask this question on wiki, at jimbo's page for example?
You could also ask jimbo how many of his every two weeks flights from London to Florida are processed as business trips, and are paid by WMF biggrin.gif
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 4:30am
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 1:52am) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 12:28am) *



Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?


Why don't you ask this question on wiki, at jimbo's page for example?
You could also ask jimbo how many of his every two weeks flights from London to Florida are processed as business trips, and are paid by WMF biggrin.gif


I believe Jimbo always flies first class, and it would be really, really audacious of him to charge that to the WMF. I'm more curious about what class Ms Gardner, Mr Möller, and other WMF executives travel in (business or economy), how much staff/assistants they take with them, what hotels they stay in (for example, if they have a choice between a Sheraton and a Four Seasons, which do they choose?), and the like.
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 5:27am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 4:30am) *

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Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?


Why don't you ask this question on wiki, at jimbo's page for example?
You could also ask jimbo how many of his every two weeks flights from London to Florida are processed as business trips, and are paid by WMF biggrin.gif


I believe Jimbo always flies first class, and it would be really, really audacious of him to charge that to the WMF. I'm more curious about what class Ms Gardner, Mr Möller, and other WMF executives travel in (business or economy), how much staff/assistants they take with them, what hotels they stay in (for example, if they have a choice between a Sheraton and a Four Seasons, which do they choose?), and the like.

Well, I am not sure you read it in the beginning of this thread, but I asked a WMF employee who pays for his trip to a conference to India and how necessarily was it to fly to India in a first place versus using Internet for this conference. He's never responded, but I did get a scream hrmph.gif from a former WMF employee.
I even cannot be angry with this idiot, who is a former WMF employee and a current WP admin Peteforsyth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , and who believes that asking a question who's paying for WMF employee trip is "an absurd insinuation"? Isn't it sad that he believes that asking these simple questions means "to stir shit up about Wikipedia"?

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post Tue 29th November 2011, 5:44am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 28th November 2011, 4:28pm) *

Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?

Nope. Just a single figure on each annual report. (Page 5 here.)

For 2011 they claim $1,159,200, which is more than twice the expenses in 2010.
That would buy a lot of first-class tickets and $1000/night hotel rooms.

You should be angrier.

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post Tue 29th November 2011, 6:42am
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 29th November 2011, 5:44am) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 28th November 2011, 4:28pm) *

Does the WMF publish full accountings of its travel costs, such as what class of seat its employees fly on, which hotels they stay at, how much per diem they get, etc?

Nope. Just a single figure on each annual report. (Page 5 here.)

For 2011 they claim $1,159,200, which is more than twice the expenses in 2010.
That would buy a lot of first-class tickets and $1000/night hotel rooms.

You should be angrier.


Based on what I've observed, travel expenses can get inflated really fast if there isn't sufficient oversight. Travelers renting the SUV instead of the compact car, lodging in the Shangri-la instead of the Hilton, choosing to fly a Singapore airlines non-stop instead of United with a three-hour layover, claiming full per diem for the day you arrive back home, etc.

I don't know if WMF employees are doing this. I suspect that they're simply traveling more and taking more people on each trip. I guess I should ask them for their detailed travel expenses record.

That is telling that one of them reacted so defensively to Mbz1's question. If they're sensitive about travel expenses, then someone needs to look into it.

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I believe Jimbo always flies first class, and it would be really, really audacious of him to charge that to the WMF.


I have a silly question. If Jimbo could afford flying first class, why he himself does not donate to Wikipedia? Or maybe he does, but I could not find his name in the list of sustaining Donors
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 7:51pm
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 1:10pm) *
I have a silly question. If Jimbo could afford flying first class, why he himself does not donate to Wikipedia? Or maybe he does, but I could not find his name in the list of sustaining Donors
Silly puppy. Jimmy donates his time to Wikimedia. Why should he also donate money?
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 29th November 2011, 7:51pm) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 1:10pm) *
I have a silly question. If Jimbo could afford flying first class, why he himself does not donate to Wikipedia? Or maybe he does, but I could not find his name in the list of sustaining Donors
Silly puppy. Jimmy donates his time to Wikimedia. Why should he also donate money?

Well, if for nothing else simply because a mention of his own donations would have sounded nice in his appeal for donations. It is like learning by example, is it not? I am sure more people would have donated to Wikipedia, if they saw Jimbo did too.
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post Tue 29th November 2011, 9:40pm
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 2:56pm) *

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 29th November 2011, 7:51pm) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 29th November 2011, 1:10pm) *
I have a silly question. If Jimbo could afford flying first class, why he himself does not donate to Wikipedia? Or maybe he does, but I could not find his name in the list of sustaining Donors
Silly puppy. Jimmy donates his time to Wikimedia. Why should he also donate money?

Well, if for nothing else simply because a mention of his own donations would have sounded nice in his appeal for donations. It is like learning by example, is it not? I am sure more people would have donated to Wikipedia, if they saw Jimbo did too.


I suppose Gil Penchina would rather see Jimbo pay off the $30,000 loan Jimbo owes Gil, before any big personal checks are written to the Wikimedia Foundation.
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Anybody know how the current fundraiser is actually doing? The Foundation doesn't seem to have generated any reports on it yet, or else I'm looking for stats in all the wrong places.
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