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> Why Wikipedia Needs Marketers, by David King (a self-described "paid editor")
thekohser
post Thu 1st December 2011, 7:07pm
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This article has some interesting value, because it mostly makes sense... but it's far too late to effectively lay this sort of groundwork.

By the by, King is building up a little portfolio of published content related to Wikipedia and marketing.

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post Thu 1st December 2011, 8:34pm
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King had posted a lengthy reply to me, discussing possible "FTC violations" facing the companies that do business with paid editors on Wikipedia. Then, it appears he removed his own comment, just as I was replying to it.

Very strange.
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post Thu 1st December 2011, 9:26pm
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King is this Wikipedia user.

He says that Edelman is a client of his.

Hmmm...
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post Fri 2nd December 2011, 9:23pm
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He's right about this:
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The volume of content is growing, but the active contributors to maintain, update and police those articles is shrinking. As this trend continues, vandalism, bias, outdated information and blatant factual errors will run even more rampant.

It already IS running even more rampant.

"hiring the CIA instead of sending a diplomat"? Diplomacy doesn't work with those bastards.
That should be a major point made in King's WP writing. And he's talking to FT2, evidently not
realizing FT2's sordid history.

Any bets on how long before someone blocks Mr. King for paid editing?
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post Fri 2nd December 2011, 10:28pm
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And now he's going to be in the signpost:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=454199593

And why does he call articles "wikis" on his user page and elsewhere? It would have exposed him even if he'd not given himself up. Wikipedia is well-guarded with shibboleths.
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post Sat 3rd December 2011, 1:10am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 1st December 2011, 9:26pm) *

King is this Wikipedia user.

He says that Edelman is a client of his.

Hmmm...


He's also David44357 (T-C-L-K-R-D) (http://david44357.com/) and David4057 (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

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post Sat 3rd December 2011, 1:44am
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 2nd December 2011, 8:10pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 1st December 2011, 9:26pm) *

King is this Wikipedia user.

He says that Edelman is a client of his.

Hmmm...


He's also David44357 (T-C-L-K-R-D) (http://david44357.com/) and David4057 (T-C-L-K-R-D) .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Con...User:David44357

David King isn't a stranger to Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest Noticeboard.
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post Sat 3rd December 2011, 3:20am
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Fri 2nd December 2011, 4:23pm) *

Any bets on how long before someone blocks Mr. King for paid editing?


With all the blustering and blocking Jimbo did when it came to PR firms, especially Kellen Communications, it's hard to believe he'd accept King who admits to working on behalf of Edelman, one of the biggest (and rather controversial) PR firms of all.
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post Sat 3rd December 2011, 3:29am
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QUOTE(Anne Sexton @ Fri 2nd December 2011, 5:28pm) *

And why does he call articles "wikis" on his user page and elsewhere?


Another bit of his writing included:
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...the Wiki is bias (sic) and needs improvement.

I see that it use (sic) to be much worse.
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post Sat 3rd December 2011, 4:12am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 3rd December 2011, 3:29am) *

QUOTE(Anne Sexton @ Fri 2nd December 2011, 5:28pm) *

And why does he call articles "wikis" on his user page and elsewhere?


Another bit of his writing included:
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...the Wiki is bias (sic) and needs improvement.

I see that it use (sic) to be much worse.



That's David King, Wikipedia Expert, for ya!

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David King is a PR and social media marketing professional with a unique expertise in Wikipedia. He's created and led the Wikipedia practice for PR agencies for three years and written dozens of Wikis on Fortune 500 companies, major legislation, politicians, technology categories and startups. He has also trained new Wikipedians around the globe.

David comes to us from Silicon Valley, where he supported B2B technology companies ranging from the Fortune 500 to stealth startups. In his line of work David has demonstrated exponential growth in social media results, secured regular mainstream media coverage for embedded technology companies and routinely provided strategic recommendations that consistently bolstered results to dozens of companies.
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post Sun 4th December 2011, 8:42am
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If anyone here has ever tried to add information that could be perceived as negative to any of the SeaWorld, Disney, or other theme park-related articles in Wikipedia, you might agree with me that those articles appear to be watched very closely and controlled by a small group of dedicated editors. I suspect those editors are working for marketing firms representing the US theme park industry. I don't think those editors would support King's proposal for more openness by editors acting on behalf of marketing firms, if they are, in fact, marketers, because it would open them up to obvious COI and POV allegations in the way they try to protect those articles from any type of pejorative information.
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post Sun 4th December 2011, 9:27am
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It's totally outrageous that someone like King should be paid to edit articles on Wikipedia, given that payment automatically implies conflict of interest. I see that the members of some Marxist organisations, who create articles like "Autonomist_Marxist" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomist_Marxist are already complaining to Jimbo about this sorry state of affairs.
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post Sun 4th December 2011, 3:58pm
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sun 4th December 2011, 2:42am) *
If anyone here has ever tried to add information that could be perceived as negative to any of the SeaWorld, Disney, or other theme park-related articles in Wikipedia, you might agree with me that those articles appear to be watched very closely and controlled by a small group of dedicated editors. I suspect those editors are working for marketing firms representing the US theme park industry.
Or merely by their ultradedicated, obsessive fans. Remember, for any possible thing you can name, there is someone out there who is pathologically obsessed with it. And many of these people are Wikipedia editors. Disney especially has some incredibly dedicated and obsessed fans.
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post Thu 8th December 2011, 12:59am
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The Signpost interviewed King for the Signpost:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wik...-05/In_the_news

Here's how the Wikipedian readership responded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=464454071

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King mentions "multi-billion dollar companies with some of the most ethical business practices in the world" which is ridiculous. There are no multi-billion dollar companies with ethical business practices. If they had ethical business practices they wouldn't be multi-billion dollar companies, they'd be non-profit charities.


King is a nice guy. He listened to my concerns in the Email conservation we had, and he disclosed his other accounts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=463723475

It's unfortunate that the Wikipedia community will never accept people such as King and Thekohser.

Edit: I also see that Skomorokh didn't give King a chance to give his opinion on the Bell Pottinger scandal. In fact, Skomorokh never asked King about the scandal after learning about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=464085824

Skomorokh published the story on December 6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=464372170

If Skomorokh didn't have the time to ask, then perhaps he or she should've published the story the following week instead in order to give King the chance to better defend his position, but I guess that the Signpost is the fast-food restaurant of news; it rushes food / news out quickly without caring about its quality or the impact it may have on the health of others.

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post Mon 12th December 2011, 7:41pm
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David King sent me a message on Facebook:

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Your forum won't seem to accept my email address to register. I wanted to clarify that Edelman is not a client, just a Wiki I worked on. I never meant to indicate that they paid me anything. I used them as an example of a bad company Wiki for a long time before deciding to fix it. I use to work there about six years ago and still have friends there.

In fact many Wikis I've touched represent genuine volunteer work and some clients I've counseled have made contributions on their own usernames.

I am also surprised Jimbo hasn't banned me. What's life without a little game of chance?

I responded to the Pottinger situation here
http://socialfresh.com/bell-pottinger-wikipedia/


And on Wikipedia Skomorokh's Talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skomorokh


Could the WR staff give any reason why it would be difficult for King to register here?
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post Mon 12th December 2011, 8:36pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 12th December 2011, 2:41pm) *

Could the WR staff give any reason why it would be difficult for King to register here?


http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=286

He was probably using a Yahoo or Gmail address.
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post Mon 12th December 2011, 9:26pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 12th December 2011, 11:41am) *

David King sent me a message on Facebook: ... Could the WR staff give any reason why it would be difficult for King to register here?

As noted, automated registration is not allowed for freemail addresses. There are a number of ways to bypass this, all involving an email to our generic registration address that is well-known to you. We would be happy to create an account for Mr. King. Further comments on the topic to WR Review, please.

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post Fri 16th December 2011, 4:16pm
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Do you think David King obtained permission to use the Wikipedia name mark in his web domain, WikipediaMarketing.com, which was opened just one month ago?
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post Fri 16th December 2011, 4:34pm
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One of King's self-disclosed client Wikipedia articles is 8coupons. My favorite among the many reliable sources in the References section is provided by "Kiley E, broke-ass stuart's goddam website".
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Thu 8th December 2011, 12:59am) *

King is a nice guy. He listened to my concerns in the Email conservation we had, and he disclosed his other accounts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=463723475

I guess he forgot Analytics447.
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