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QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 5th May 2010, 3:16pm) By technicality, the Muslims who get angry over it should still be angry as merely labeling someone as the prophet would be enough since we don't actually know what he looks like (and could look like Henry VIII in full royal gown).
Uh - we know exactly what he looked like, since his son-in-law helpfully left a description: QUOTE [Muhammad] is neither too short nor too tall. His hair is neither curly nor straight, but a mixture of the two. He is a man of black hair and large skull. His complexion has a tinge of redness. His shoulder bones are broad and his palms and feet are fleshy. He has long hair growing from neck to navel. He has long eye-lashes, close eye-brows, smooth and shining fore-head and a long space between his shoulders. When he walks he walks inclining as if coming down from a height. I never saw a man like him before him or after him
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 5th May 2010, 3:09pm) Three-to-one-on that this argument results in (1) someone being blocked, (2) someone saying "do you know who I am?", (3) someone whining on Jimmy Wales's talkpage and/or (4) a mention in the Register. You heard it here first. You're probably right. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) There is also a fair chance the word "wiki-hounding" might be used at some point in the future, in reference to anyone that disagrees more than once with Cirt. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) That aside, is it a good hook/article for the main page?
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 5th May 2010, 7:24am) Uh - we know exactly what he looked like, since his son-in-law helpfully left a description: QUOTE [Muhammad] is neither too short nor too tall. His hair is neither curly nor straight, but a mixture of the two. He is a man of black hair and large skull. His complexion has a tinge of redness. His shoulder bones are broad and his palms and feet are fleshy. He has long hair growing from neck to navel. He has long eye-lashes, close eye-brows, smooth and shining fore-head and a long space between his shoulders. When he walks he walks inclining as if coming down from a height. I never saw a man like him before him or after him That sounds just like this guy: (IMG: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7461/mrnaturaljustpassinthru.jpg)
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QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 5th May 2010, 5:14pm) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 5th May 2010, 7:24am) Uh - we know exactly what he looked like, since his son-in-law helpfully left a description: QUOTE [Muhammad] is neither too short nor too tall. His hair is neither curly nor straight, but a mixture of the two. He is a man of black hair and large skull. His complexion has a tinge of redness. His shoulder bones are broad and his palms and feet are fleshy. He has long hair growing from neck to navel. He has long eye-lashes, close eye-brows, smooth and shining fore-head and a long space between his shoulders. When he walks he walks inclining as if coming down from a height. I never saw a man like him before him or after him That sounds just like this guy: OMG! Infidel!
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 5th May 2010, 3:55pm) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 5th May 2010, 3:09pm) Three-to-one-on that this argument results in (1) someone being blocked, (2) someone saying "do you know who I am?", (3) someone whining on Jimmy Wales's talkpage and/or (4) a mention in the Register. You heard it here first. You're probably right. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) There is also a fair chance the word "wiki-hounding" might be used at some point in the future, in reference to anyone that disagrees more than once with Cirt. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) Bingo.
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 5th May 2010, 4:26pm) Ah, the obsequious thanks. I guess that's how you make friends and allies in Wikiland. Let's see if this will develop into full-fledged persecution of Gatoclass. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) I think that I am fairly familiar with Wikipedia and its problems, but the point of this discussion is lost on me. Could someone explain what it is that makes Cirt any worse than any other administrator (Gatoclass for example), or why Pieter Kuiper is any better than any other user who is involved on one side in Wikipedia's I/P disputes?
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"?
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:24am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"? I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 3:30pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:24am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"? I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims. The Muslim population in the USA is rather well educated, many very well educated. The ones that have citizenship vote, and most are politically active. It is a small population, but probably already bigger than the USA Jewish population. Muslims need to develop an ability to deal with stuff they may not like. Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech. I would like to see Muslims develop enough humor about themselves so they could make an ad like this one made by Israeli Jews about their own religion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQkopQSOlA
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech.
As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized.
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The wild, broad-brush strokes on this thread make me more thankful that one of the largest initiatives at our church is to expand our inter-faith (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist, primarily) outreach, education, and celebration efforts.
Are people really so dense as to think that caricatures of extreme and fundamentalist elements of religions do in fact represent the vast majority of practitioners of those religions?!
A new low, Wikipedia Review.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:29pm) The wild, broad-brush strokes on this thread make me more thankful that one of the largest initiatives at our church is to expand our inter-faith (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist, primarily) outreach, education, and celebration efforts.
Are people really so dense as to think that caricatures of extreme and fundamentalist elements of religions do in fact represent the vast majority of practitioners of those religions?!
A new low, Wikipedia Review.
What is your point?
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:18pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech.
As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized. You are certainly more reasonable than Ottava. But Muslims do have to deal with many, many Ottavas. I also think you over estimate the economic status of Muslims in America. There is great diversity, with a large and affluent exile Iranian community in LA and a even larger working class and recent immigrant community in East Dearborn. Guess who takes the brunt of the anti-Muslim hate?
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:37pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:18pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech. As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized. You are certainly more reasonable than Ottava. But Muslims do have to deal with many, many Ottavas. I also think you over estimate the economic status of Muslims in America. There is great diversity, with a large and affluent exile Iranian community in LA and a even larger working class and recent immigrant community in East Dearborn. Guess who takes the brunt of the anti-Muslim hate? Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 8:30am) I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims. Most Muslims in America are Indonesians. Most Arab-Americans are Catholics. The small minority of Arab-Muslims in America tend to be looked at with some suspicion by Americans these days, but since nearly all the people who've been trying to blow up Americans this last quarter of a century (from La Belle discotheque to Faisal Shahzad) have been Arabic Muslims, it's not really surprizing. I'm not really sure American can be accused of "starting it" by supporting Israel. This does not excuse killing of Americans, and especially civilian Americans. Muslims aren't good citizens of France, either, and so you can't just make anti-zionism an excuse for any bunch of Muslim emigrants acting-badly. Defending much of Islam is a losing battle. As a religion it's even more narrowminded and unforgiving than Southern Baptistism, and that's saying a lot. And its attitude toward women is some of the worst to be found in a modern religion. Frankly, a lot of it is shit (see the Wahabits and Taliban for how bad Muslim conservatives can be), and what's left is superstition. You have to look very hard to find the diamonds in its rough (okay, it has a good attitude toward treatment of guests and strangers, and it's color-blind, at least toward Muslims). But overall, there is no reason to have any great respect for it (the religion). If its followers don't wake up and perform some major surgery on it, rather like the Roman Catholics had to do when faced with modern astronomy and the reformation, the conservative and fundamentalist version of Islam is going to be source of a great deal more suffering for many of its conservative believers. The world's patience for these people has long run out. When the Arabs' oil runs out and money stops being diverted to the most nutty branches of "Islam" they're going to be even more of a world of hurt. And deserve it. It's not a bigotry thing-- the liberal Muslims are fine with me. It's a "recognize the asshole" thing. The conservative Muslims (of which there are very many- they are NOT a tiny minority) are not fine with me.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 6:09pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too. You did not answer my question, which makes it appear that you did not protest the Holocaust Cartoon Contest. (NB: I will site whatever sources I choose. Please do not tell me what to do.)
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:51pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech. As is saying "Your being a dick to Muslims for no good reason." There is a very good reason. They kill people over it in order to try and dominate and spread fear. This is to show that they cannot intimidate us.Christ has been covered in shit in artwork and that was glorified. This is only the mere drawing of a cartoon. Get over yourself. I'm sure Torquemada would be proud of you. All organised religions are as bad as each other, some are just more imaginative than others.
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 6:09pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm)
Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate.
Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too. You did not answer my question, which makes it appear that you did not protest the Holocaust Cartoon Contest. (NB: I will site whatever sources I choose. Please do not tell me what to do.) No I don't follow every meme on the internet or idiotic antic of Ahmadinejad with a Wikipedia Article. I have no qualms in saying that it was antisemitic and wrong. I am more concerned with addressing the ills of my own society. Cite the Wikipedia article if you want. Makes you look stupid and I won't read it so its a waste of your time.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 6th May 2010, 7:18pm) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:28pm) While we're talking religion, does anyone have any good Zoroastrianism jokes? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Anyone? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Zoroastor walked into a bar.... he was knocked unconscious.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 6th May 2010, 7:18pm) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:28pm) While we're talking religion, does anyone have any good Zoroastrianism jokes? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Anyone? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Baba Wawa: If you could be any kind of car, what would you be? Zarathustra: Mazda Protégé. This post has been edited by CharlotteWebb:
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 6:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 6:09pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm)
Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate.
Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too. You did not answer my question, which makes it appear that you did not protest the Holocaust Cartoon Contest. (NB: I will site whatever sources I choose. Please do not tell me what to do.) No I don't follow every meme on the internet or idiotic antic of Ahmadinejad with a Wikipedia Article. I have no qualms in saying that it was antisemitic and wrong. I am more concerned with addressing the ills of my own society. Cite the Wikipedia article if you want. Makes you look stupid and I won't read it so its a waste of your time. 1. In fact things are just the opposite of what you seem to think. 'Everybody Draw Mohammed Day' is supported by virtually no one and is insignificant. The 'Holocaust Cartoon Contest' was supported by a national government that has also reprinted the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and promoted that antisemitic lie at the Frankfurt Book Fair. (You will have to do without the links.) 2. Think I am stupid if you want - what you think is not in my power - but I would not have called you stupid even though I think you are wrong. Likewise with what you choose to read: that is up to you and of no interest to me. This post has been edited by Kwork:
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:07pm) QUOTE(dtobias @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:58pm) The "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is in direct response to a Muslim group making death threats on the people involved with South Park for doing an episode that lampooned the intolerant attitude of Muslims over that sort of thing, ironically proving the point of the episode; and the cowardly corporate types who caved into this threat by censoring the followup episode (among other things, bleeping out a speech at the end which decried censorship and intolerance).
Of course, to our resident nincompoop GlassBeadGame, the cartoonists are the evil offenders and the censors/death-threateners are the victims.
Yes of course the ones with an open hand extended to the people who are different from themselves are the "intolerant" ones." Not the ones insisting that they need to be unimpeded by the concerns of others, even to the point of going out of their way to offend. A billion Muslims did not threaten South Park and neither did I. Bigot. The point is defending freedom of speech. That freedom is not now well defended because of a lack of guts in standing up to the threats of religiously motivated goons. There have been cases where the American Civil Liberties Union defended in court the free speech rights of even the American Nazi Party. If US citizens will not defend the rights of all free speech there will soon be no free speech. Capice?
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:22pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:07pm) QUOTE(dtobias @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:58pm) The "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is in direct response to a Muslim group making death threats on the people involved with South Park for doing an episode that lampooned the intolerant attitude of Muslims over that sort of thing, ironically proving the point of the episode; and the cowardly corporate types who caved into this threat by censoring the followup episode (among other things, bleeping out a speech at the end which decried censorship and intolerance).
Of course, to our resident nincompoop GlassBeadGame, the cartoonists are the evil offenders and the censors/death-threateners are the victims.
Yes of course the ones with an open hand extended to the people who are different from themselves are the "intolerant" ones." Not the ones insisting that they need to be unimpeded by the concerns of others, even to the point of going out of their way to offend. A billion Muslims did not threaten South Park and neither did I. Bigot. The point is defending freedom of speech. That freedom is not now well defended because of a lack of guts in standing up to the threats of religiously motivated goons. There have been cases where the American Civil Liberties Union defended in court the free speech rights of even the American Nazi Party. If US citizens will not defend the rights of all free speech there will soon be no free speech. Capice? Asshole. Muslims are not stopping you, South Park or anyone else from saying anything. Its like Rumsfield bombing Iraq because Afghanistan had no good targets. You are just bulling convenient targets who did you no harm. The most serious speech that is being chilled around this event is that of American and other Western Muslims and those who might speak up against your bigotry. How come when I speak out against antisemitism around here I don't get this kind of rancor? Bigots, all.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:34pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:22pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:07pm) QUOTE(dtobias @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:58pm) The "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is in direct response to a Muslim group making death threats on the people involved with South Park for doing an episode that lampooned the intolerant attitude of Muslims over that sort of thing, ironically proving the point of the episode; and the cowardly corporate types who caved into this threat by censoring the followup episode (among other things, bleeping out a speech at the end which decried censorship and intolerance).
Of course, to our resident nincompoop GlassBeadGame, the cartoonists are the evil offenders and the censors/death-threateners are the victims.
Yes of course the ones with an open hand extended to the people who are different from themselves are the "intolerant" ones." Not the ones insisting that they need to be unimpeded by the concerns of others, even to the point of going out of their way to offend. A billion Muslims did not threaten South Park and neither did I. Bigot. The point is defending freedom of speech. That freedom is not now well defended because of a lack of guts in standing up to the threats of religiously motivated goons. There have been cases where the American Civil Liberties Union defended in court the free speech rights of even the American Nazi Party. If US citizens will not defend the rights of all free speech there will soon be no free speech. Capice? Asshole. Muslims are not stopping you, South Park or anyone else from saying anything. Its like Rumsfield bombing Iraq because Afghanistan had no good targets. You are just bulling convenient targets who did you no harm. The most serious speech that is being chilled around this event is that of American and other Western Muslims and those who might speak up against your bigotry. How come when I speak out against antisemitism around here I don't get this kind of rancor? Bigots, all. Hmm..."Assholes" and "Bigots"? It seems that GlassBeadGame has either momentarily flipped his lid, or is out of rational arguments.
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