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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 1:22am
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 7:57pm) *


How can content be "excessive"?

It is obviously getting in the way of your trolling. What you need to fix that and become a standard Wikipedian is to be banned and then kept from having access to editing the content. That will leave you only with drama. Obviously, it works.

My ban is only a virtual heartbeat away: I'm just surprised I lasted as long as I did. There was once a time when I believed in the project's goal of free dissemination of knowledge, but I realise now that I was naive. It's not about that at all, it's about social engineering.

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How can content be "excessive"?



It is obviously getting in the way of your trolling. What you need to fix that and become a standard Wikipedian is to be banned and then kept from having access to editing the content. That will leave you only with drama. Obviously, it works.


The notion that "content creators" occupy some kind of superior position is ridiculous. As far as trolling WR goes the self-righteous "content creator" are much worse of problem than the social media types.

But are they as bad as you?
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yecch.gif to both of you.

Doc is right: Malley loves to poke the beehive. And it's begging to be poked.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 1:33am
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I also was thinking why quite a few, should I say notable, content creators got into troubles:
Ottava Rima (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
Peter Damian (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
MickMacNee (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
ChildofMidnight (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
and so on.
It probably has nothing to do with content creation because many users who write a great content are doing fine. I have no answer to this, but I know why I got into troubles.
It was mostly my own fault because I have never learned not to take a bait, and ignore the trolls.
I believe Wikipedia:Don't take the bait is one of the most important essays. Trolls should be ignored. It is the only way do deal with them. I only wish ignoring trolls were as easy on wikipedia as it is on WR.

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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 6:32pm) *


Malleus is deliberately rude because it causes drama.


Drama? If anything, this causes comedy. No one with a working brain can possibly see this brouhaha as anything but a farce. I love how this sorry collection of grotesques and misfits are spending so much time and energy on something so woefully benign. smile.gif


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It was mostly my own fault because I have never learned not to take a bait...


Well, mama, come on over to my stable and I'll gladly show you how to handle "bait" evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 5:33pm) *

Trolls should be ignored. It is the only way do deal with them. I only wish ignoring trolls were as easy on wikipedia as it is on WR.

That's more like it. (Good luck convincing Malleus, or Ottava, or a long list of others.)
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

I also was thinking why quite a few, should I say notable, content creators got into troubles:
Ottava Rima (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
Peter Damian (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
MickMacNee (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
ChildofMidnight (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
and so on.


Come on, would it have killed you to include me? (Not to mention the dozens of other articles created by my socks since then! evilgrin.gif
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:09am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 9:00pm) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

I also was thinking why quite a few, should I say notable, content creators got into troubles:
Ottava Rima (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
Peter Damian (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
MickMacNee (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
ChildofMidnight (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
and so on.


Come on, would it have killed you to include me? (Not to mention the dozens of other articles created by my socks since then! evilgrin.gif


Yes. Awesome Wikipedian.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:33am
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

Trolls should be ignored. It is the only way do deal with them. I only wish ignoring trolls were as easy on wikipedia as it is on WR.



It is hard to ignore them when they come to articles you worked on and start pushing original research, plagiarism, making crazy fringe claims that a person is a "pederast", etc. Look at the case with Maunus trying to defend admin who had no reason to come to the Persian Empire page but merely wanted to have it removed even though 2/3s of those discussing the matter did not want the page deleted.

There are people on Wikipedia with intentionally or unintentionally are destroying content. When you work and try to create a lot of content, it isn't fun to watch people come up wanting to knock it down as if it is just a sandcastle.

I never actively sought these people out or cussed them out. Malleus and Ceoil tend to be the few people who do. Those like Science Apologist were involved in big POV disputes. There are some other different patterns. Not all of it is the same.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:35am
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 1:22am) *

My ban is only a virtual heartbeat away: I'm just surprised I lasted as long as I did. There was once a time when I believed in the project's goal of free dissemination of knowledge, but I realise now that I was naive. It's not about that at all, it's about social engineering.



Rubbish - you have no intention of leaving. And if you do, it will wear off.

This is a ploy - and it is already working. The usual suspects are running about with the "O o O the bastards have killed a good content creator". The community will now war with itself and you get to enjoy the drama. Arbcom will not dare ban you now, (they never would - they don't ban content creators for mere incivility) and you'll be back soon rubbing their noses in it.

Again, this is another poor Giano copycat without the same style.



QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:00am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

I also was thinking why quite a few, should I say notable, content creators got into troubles:
Ottava Rima (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
Peter Damian (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
MickMacNee (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
ChildofMidnight (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
and so on.


Come on, would it have killed you to include me? (Not to mention the dozens of other articles created by my socks since then! evilgrin.gif


Not every thread is about you, Greg. One of these days you'll get that.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:43am
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:35am) *

Not every thread is about you, Greg. One of these days you'll get that.

Don't challenge him or he'll ensure it becomes covered by the "mainstream" media and then someone else will feel the need to comment here on whatever he wrote.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:25am
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:35am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 1:22am) *

My ban is only a virtual heartbeat away: I'm just surprised I lasted as long as I did. There was once a time when I believed in the project's goal of free dissemination of knowledge, but I realise now that I was naive. It's not about that at all, it's about social engineering.



Rubbish - you have no intention of leaving. And if you do, it will wear off.

This is a ploy - and it is already working. The usual suspects are running about with the "O o O the bastards have killed a good content creator". The community will now war with itself and you get to enjoy the drama. Arbcom will not dare ban you now, (they never would - they don't ban content creators for mere incivility) and you'll be back soon rubbing their noses in it.

Again, this is another poor Giano copycat without the same style.



QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:00am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

I also was thinking why quite a few, should I say notable, content creators got into troubles:
Ottava Rima (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
Peter Damian (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
MickMacNee (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
ChildofMidnight (T-C-L-K-R-D) articles created
and so on.


Come on, would it have killed you to include me? (Not to mention the dozens of other articles created by my socks since then! evilgrin.gif


Not every thread is about you, Greg. One of these days you'll get that.

You presume too much, as many of you ignorant dickheads do. It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:25am) *


You presume too much, as many of you ignorant dickheads do. It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


There is a point where you carefully put so much vitriolic invective into a sentence that you forget to actually communicate any facts or comprehensible sentiment. In such cases, you may find "fuck you" is shorter to type!

If ignorance was a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and the ignorant ... then... oh, bugger it, the sentence is simply incoherent nonsense. I do not like green eggs and ham either.

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QUOTE(Eppur si muove @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 9:43pm) *

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:35am) *

Not every thread is about you, Greg. One of these days you'll get that.

Don't challenge him or he'll ensure it becomes covered by the "mainstream" media and then someone else will feel the need to comment here on whatever he wrote.


Wow, you two have really figured out my schtick. Touché!
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Honestly the ArbCom case of Malleus isn't very difficult to figure out from any user who been editing in the project for years like me or Doc. It's clear that Malleus edits in good faith and with the right intentions. I don't see the point of banning an editor whose usually dead on right in his contributions, even if it can be considered incivil and offensive to some users including a few aimed at myself before.

I have to say this though; civility is one of the pillars of Wikipedia, and Malleus case shouldn't set an example for other editors to follow with their own incivil comments. It's up to an editor/admin whoever to figure out if a comment is incivil and was in bad faith before doing an action, and more than likely it will end up with a negative consequence.
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I think it is time that people drop civility all together. It should never have been a pillar. It was used where I lived since the 1990s to attack people who didn't like political correctness. It has nothing to do with the original meaning of civility, which was all about protocol and etiquette (eat the right foods, wear the right clothes, drinking tea at the right time). It is clear that "civility" is just a weapon and has nothing to do with working to build an encyclopedia. Nice people can fail at contributing and mean people can succeed. If you want to build an encyclopedia, get rid of those who can't contribute.


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You presume too much, as many of you ignorant dickheads do. It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


There is a point where you carefully put so much vitriolic invective into a sentence that you forget to actually communicate any facts or comprehensible sentiment. In such cases, you may find "fuck you" is shorter to type!

If ignorance was a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and the ignorant ... then... oh, bugger it, the sentence is simply incoherent nonsense. I do not like green eggs and ham either.



I can say that there are enough witnesses out there that can confirm that I may be an ignorant dickhead but I am definitely not fat.
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Malleus, your block is going to end on 12/29. Why did you call your post "My final request" ?

About content of your post. It is great, it is Christmas time, time of forgiveness, is it not?

Only there is a problem with that. Gwen has changed towards you because she knows,
when it is time to support consensus, but she did not change towards others.
She has been a bully administrator since she started and up to now.
She still posts bad blocks.Only most editors are not as known as you are, and their blocks are left unnoticed.

In a meantime I almost felt sorry for Gwen, when I read this
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I have never been so harassed, wantonly smeared, blatantly lied about or otherwise trashed as I've been on this website. Not even nearly. I've put up with it because I knew the slurs were never about me as such, but about other stuff only a dozen or so editors (out of thousands) were flogging and thrashing away at towards their own utterly selfish, narrow, thwarted goals and outlooks as to editorial and policy outcomes (and I dare say much worse sometimes).

I only wish she provided some differences... BTW did she mean you, Malleus, as one of these "a dozen or so editors (out of thousands)" who were " flogging and thrashing away at towards their own utterly selfish, narrow, thwarted goals and outlooks as to editorial and policy outcomes", or smearing her? If not, why in a world she posted that rant in your arbitration case?

In the same post she calls wikipedia "this encyclopedic hobby", and complains she has "not a lot" free time.
Well, she did write 25 articles "in almost eight years of editing here" (most just being stubs), and the most important one being Lesbian sexual practices, but it looks like she has always had the time to bully.
Oh sorry, I forgot she also wrote two articles about herself. Sadly they got deleted.
She said she would have unblocked you. How brave of her to say so about the block that had a strong consensus for being lifted:/
Please make no mistake, she would have blocked indefinitely 99.99999% of all editors in a similar situation because her "encyclopedic hobby" is a pleasure of bullying.
So it is not actually about your own "grudge against [[User:Gwen Gale]] ",Malleus.
You could and should forgive, but bully administrators hurt contributors and they should be constantly reminded to be fair with every good faith editor, and not only with valued and notable editors as you are, Malleus.

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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 4:52am) *

Malleus, your block is going to end on 12/29. Why did you call your post "My final request" ?

No, it will end when and if I decide it ends, which won't be 12/29.
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Malleus, your block is going to end on 12/29. Why did you call your post "My final request" ?

No, it will end when and if I decide it ends, which won't be 12/29.


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Sigh... could someone block Scarian (T-C-L-K-R-D) for grave dancing? dry.gif hrmph.gif

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QUOTE(Jaranda @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 4:38am) *

Honestly the ArbCom case of Malleus isn't very difficult to figure out from any user who been editing in the project for years like me or Doc. It's clear that Malleus edits in good faith and with the right intentions. I don't see the point of banning an editor whose usually dead on right in his contributions, even if it can be considered incivil and offensive to some users including a few aimed at myself before.


Rubbish. Malleus is not editing in good faith. If he really just wanted to be left alone to write content - he'd be making every effort to tone down the flowery invective, simply because in creates needless drama which is a distraction. He is bright enough to work out how to do that. He's not stupid enough to call someone a "cunt" and not realise exactly what reaction and drama he'd get. This is quite deliberate trolling - and not inconsistent with him enjoying doing content too.


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No, it will end when and if I decide it ends, which won't be 12/29.


Attitude gives the game away. This is a controlled troll and he correctly knows he's got he upper hand.
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