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mbz1
post Sat 11th February 2012, 3:25pm
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Today I will get community banned, getting attacked by a lynch mob without any ability to say anything in my defense.

But here's an interesting comment by Will Beback

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=476232084

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*'''Comment''' If folks can be sanctioned for what they do on other websites then there are a bunch of WR contributors who'll have a lot to answer for. I think that might be a good idea, but I just want to make sure that folks know the proposed action here would set a precedent


The situation reminded to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6 this thing

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


Good luck to the ones who's left, and who's never spoken out!

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post Sat 11th February 2012, 3:38pm
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 7:25am) *

But here's an interesting comment by Will Beback

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=476232084


Will is just making his standard calculation about how a new precedent may be deployed in the various WP:BATTLEFIELD actions he is engaged in.
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post Sat 11th February 2012, 4:23pm
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 3:25pm) *

Today I will get community banned, getting attacked by a lynch mob without any ability to say anything in my defense.


I feel so much sympathy that it's literally oozing out in the form of sarcasm.

Good thing you couldn't say anything in your defense because it probably wouldn't be worth the time spent reading it.
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post Sat 11th February 2012, 4:35pm
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sat 11th February 2012, 3:38pm) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 7:25am) *

But here's an interesting comment by Will Beback

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=476232084


Will is just making his standard calculation about how a new precedent may be deployed in the various WP:BATTLEFIELD actions he is engaged in.

I actually meant that I am sure there are users who are against the witch hunt, against the lynching mob, but they have chosen not to speak up. It is a little bit sad, but kind of expected. I only wonder who's going to be the next victim?
In any case I am proud of what I did, and no matter what is to happen I am not sorry of anything.

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post Sat 11th February 2012, 7:15pm
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The sad thing is if you put your statements in a different tone with less editorializing and commentary, you might actually be able to put whatever points you have across - but because your tone comes off so aggressive people discount what you say without wanting to read through it all, you set off the "crackpot" button in peoples' heads:
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— If you want to have a chance, go back and edit what you said, remove the excessive repeated hysterical-sounding "Gwen Gale"s and replace it with a calm commentary on events with as little padding and headers as possible, in something people can easily read -say sorry for letting your emotions get the better of you, and calmly restate what the problems were, in a more compact and concise form

I don't think it's your fault, it's just your style and these things tend to have to be learned the hard way - I hope they take that you are obviously believe you are acting with good intentions from everything you say and not intending to be disruptive into account, it's just that you saw some things you consider wrong and want to right them, I understand, I got carried away sometimes when I was younger too - but the sad thing is it doesn't matter how right you are if you can't conform a bit :/
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post Sat 11th February 2012, 7:23pm
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post Sat 11th February 2012, 11:22pm
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 10:25am) *
But here's an interesting comment by Will Beback


Beback's WR hatred is as delusional and self-serving as your zeal for Gwen Gale is. He will gain no traction from your train wreck of a Meta crusade.

Speaking of Meta, I did not forsee any of this crashing down on their heads, this is truly fascinating popcorn-eating theatre going on the past few days.

I wonder if this zeal could be bent towards wikitionary next, where they have no equivalent of BLP policy. Those yahoos think that citing Usenet posts is acceptable for something to do with a living person.

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post Sat 11th February 2012, 11:59pm
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Do you have any idea how crazy you really are?

I just dipped into the discussion. In both madhouses. My above comment applies to all of them. As far as I can make out Meta is the core of english wikipedia -- cruder, ruder, with a bunch of the layers stripped away, but the same fundamental thing.

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post Sun 12th February 2012, 12:11am
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So, Mila, your crusade has already caused a bit of collateral damage, first a Meta admin, then your buddy Schosha.

There will be fallout from this for a long, long time, as admins, Arbs, Stewards, and regular folk rage and revert each other.

Was it worth it?

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post Sun 12th February 2012, 12:59am
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 12th February 2012, 12:11am) *

So, Mila, your crusade has already caused a bit of collateral damage, first a Meta admin, then your buddy Schosha.

There will be fallout from this for a long, long time, as admins, Arbs, Stewards, and regular folk rage and revert each other.

Was it worth it?

Of course it was worth it, if for nothing else then at least http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...brox&type=block for this tongue.gif

Ok it was a joke, but yes it was worth it. Only you will not understand why because you are missing any decency. I knew russavia will vote for the ban, I knew Beeblebrox will vote for the ban, I was not surprised a few other wikipidiots did, but I was surprised by your vote. A few days ago I once again believed that there's something human about you, and once again I was mistaking.

And about the ban. Well, a community that is banning a person who BTW acted within a policy of a sister project without allowing this person at least to have a final word is sick. Although I have never made such votes myself, I am still ashamed I used to be a part of that community of bullies and others who simply keep silent.

If that community that is run by bullies, cowards and idiots will go on like that, they will soon start banning people who have never edited wikipedia at all, but dared to critique one of wikipedia's own in other places. smile.gif

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post Sun 12th February 2012, 3:59am
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 7:59pm) *

but I was surprised by your vote. A few days ago I once again believed that there's something human about you, and once again I was mistaking.


I think you live in a reality that can never be penetrated by facts, reason, logic, or common sense. You have seen near-universal condemnation for all of your antics, your only true supporter is a little halfwit like Kwork/Schosha...the meta support is more a defensive reflex from their feudal estate is being invaded.

Y'know if you keep this up they'll probably shitcan you from Commons as well, which'd be regrettable as it is the one place in this project where your contribution is actually valued.
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Perhaps we should forewarn her local mental hospital that she may begin spending time in public?
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post Mon 13th February 2012, 7:35pm
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post Tue 14th February 2012, 3:53am
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I have a suspicion the autism thread might be relevant here:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...82&#entry297782
It's a hard damn lesson to learn that no matter how right you are if you let yourself get distracted by anger, all the reason you give couldn't matter less - it doesn't matter what you think, but what other people think, and a lot of people react to the first things they see as influencing them the most and perhaps even not bothering to investigate further if the first impression is bad wink.gif I feel kinda sorry for her cos she can't even help herself, I am figuring maybe a few years and she might well be ok though. Can't hate someone like that it's just one of those sad, very human, things - I wish her good luck
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post Tue 14th February 2012, 4:35am
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QUOTE(Selina @ Tue 14th February 2012, 3:53am) *

I have a suspicion the autism thread might be relevant here:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...82&#entry297782
It's a hard damn lesson to learn that no matter how right you are if you let yourself get distracted by anger, all the reason you give couldn't matter less - it doesn't matter what you think, but what other people think, and a lot of people react to the first things they see as influencing them the most and perhaps even not bothering to investigate further if the first impression is bad wink.gif I feel kinda sorry for her cos she can't even help herself, I am figuring maybe a few years and she might well be ok though. Can't hate someone like that it's just one of those sad, very human, things - I wish her good luck

You feel sorry for me? Please don't. Honestly, I am absolutely fine. Ever since I asked to be blocked in July, 2011, I have never wanted to go back. Probably i was ready to leave. Hate? No, I do not hate gwen gale at all.I pity her. Autism? Never suffered from one. "a few years", and I might be ok? I assure you I have been ok ever since I left wikipedia. Cheers.

BTW about autism just watched an interesting video smile.gif

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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Sat 11th February 2012, 4:25pm) *
Good luck to the ones who's left, and who's never spoken out!

We are close to the moment that there is just that lynch mob left. They will now hang each other and that's it, place abandoned.
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And now I am crying over this . Elen of the Roads , and Maunus, if you are reading this, I'd like to thank you for being so kind to me.

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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Wed 15th February 2012, 3:52am) *

And now I am crying over this . Elen of the Roads , and Maunus, if you are reading this, I'd like to thank you for being so kind to me.

It's extraordinary how vindictive and vengeful some Wikipedia editors are towards those who've been banned, really not nice. Grave dancing doesn't even get close.

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I wasn't meaning to be mean mbz1, I mean that, it's not really your fault I can tell you just don't realise how other people see the actions you do unhappy.gif I hope you are able to learn in time because you seem like you at least believe you do the things you do because you think they are right, you're not an evil person like some are trying to make out.

If you are able to, maybe you should consider appealing your block but with an interaction ban and topic ban on anything to do with Gwen Gale, as I think you got kind of fixated and using her as a focus for your anger when there were other issues too. YI saw the stuff on your userpage and it's obvious that other than this you can contribute good things.
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 15th February 2012, 5:23am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Wed 15th February 2012, 3:52am) *

And now I am crying over this . Elen of the Roads , and Maunus, if you are reading this, I'd like to thank you for being so kind to me.

It's extraordinary how vindictive and vengeful some Wikipedia editors are towards those who've been banned, really not nice. Grave dancing doesn't even get close.

You are right. the banned users who made positive contributions should be treated with dignity. Thank you again for not only kind, but also smart solution! smile.gif
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