The Joe H. challenge to Goethean Options Rating

[victim of censorship]

=Hello pathetic and cowardly little man=
AKA...Goethean (T-C-L-K-R-D)
As you know where I live, I know were you live as well, so I have committed to confined my augments with you to this cesspool and Wikpeidia Review so as not to have it spill out in the street and I hope you do the same.

Make no mistake, I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for your beliefs and methods of intellectual thuggery, bullying... You're a little man, pathetic and cowardly - intellectual, spiritual, and morally corrupt...your shameful ways of gaming Wikirulez, and other equally low games, in order to foist your rotten and flawed point of view, is reflective of your ethics I have seen on wikipeidia for years now. What is sad is no one calls you to task, with out getting wacked by your admin friends.

Now if you like to hide here, fine, but I make you a challenge, assuming you are brave enough and so sure of your beliefs, to crawl out from this dark and dank hiding place and on to Wikireview (a venue where you can't call an admin with tools, where you have to stand toe to toe on the merit of your augments and defend your sorry self, to the charges I make there, that your new age beliefs are garbage, and Ramakrishna's is just power mad homo erotic addict and your a sorry little thuggish boor.

Again, if you should MAN UP instead of being a coward, then I await your presence at Wikipedia Review so you can tell me and the, world at large, why your so right and the world is so wrong. MAN UP or hid like the weak bully boy you are.???

Any rate I be waiting for you there.

JoE

Addendum:
Looks like Goathed is crying to his little owl face turkey.. ...Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) ....
MAN UP GOETHEAN COME HERE AND SHOW WHY YOUR RIGHT!!

This is how Goethean "Mans up" with the help of his lacky wikiadmin buddy Acroterion

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[The Joy]

The only way to truly get rid of someone on Wikipedia is to have the patience of an Ent (T-H-L-K-D) and the stealthiness of a ninja.

1-) Start a new account preferably with a new IP address.

2-) Edit in non-controversial areas for several months.

3-) Do several content-happy things such as "Did You Knows?", Good Articles, and Featured Articles.

4-) Work on content with a few administrator editors.

5-) Ask these administrators for help on minor and major things (content, behavioral issues, etc.)

6-) During this time, note Goethean's contributions and the articles he edits. Do not cross with him for the first few months until you are sure that you have a good rapport with the administrators you have befriended.

7-) Make edits on articles near and dear to Goethean's heart. Be sure your edits are within WP's content policy and backed by proper citations, but make sure this counters Goethean's biases on the articles. Eventually, he will confront you.

8-) Argue your case for making the changes based strictly on WP policy. Ask one or more of your administrator friends for guidance in dealing with the dispute.

9-) Back off from the subject for a while (a month or so) to show that you are humble. Revisit Goethean's articles and do Steps 7 and 8 until you and Goethean's dispute is brought up to a public noticeboard. Never initiate the proceedings yourself.

10-) These actions will inevitably reach public noticeboards like the Administrator Noticeboards. Keep calm and again argue your cause for your edits based strictly on WP policy. Ask one or more of your administrator friends that have seen or taken part in mediating between you and Goethean.

11-) At no point on Wikipedia (especially on the noticeboards) should you attack Goethean personally. Note with "diffs" his violations of WP's "CIVIL" and "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS" policies. Note also your attempts to work with him and his resistance. Your administrator friends will likely back you up and provide evidence of their own.

12-) Agree to work on Dispute Resolution (Wikiquette Alerts, Requests for Mediation, Requests for Comment, etc.) with Goethean. If he's as hot-tempered as you make him out to be, he'll refuse. If he doesn't refuse, just go along with it and focus only on Wikipedia policy and how you've adhered to it while Goethean has not. Suggest politely how Goethean could change his behavior and, humbly, admit how you may have done wrong and how you will change yourself to be a better beloved Wikipedian. Humor Goethean's suggestions to change your own behavior.

13-) After completing Dispute Resolution, repeat Step 9 and, if necessary, 10, 11, and 12.

14-) Repeat Step 13 until Goethean finally explodes and commits gross violations of CIVIL and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. Ask your administrator friends for help. They will likely tell you to take it for wider public comment. Bring this to a public noticeboard like AN/I. The Community will likely sanction or ban Goethean or tell you take it to Arbitration.

15-) By now, you've completed Dispute Resolution and had multiple witnesses, including your powerful administrator friends, to Goethean's violations. You have given him enough rope and have enough evidence to get the Arbitration Committee or the Community to ban him.

16-) Goethean may return after a time on wiki-parole or after his ban. If he still gets your goat, simply repeat this process and always take the high road of kindness and wiki-love. He'll be banned again before you know it! It's even better when he socks and you can go to Tiptoety and ask him to ban Goethean's socks! The irony!

That is how you successfully remove your enemies from Wikipedia. The downside is it takes months, a year, or more than a year to go through all the necessary steps, but that's how it is. How does a flea drain an elephant of it's blood? Little by little over a very long time. You must have patience (and maybe even be psychotic) to go through all this trouble.

What's also sad is that if this were television, you would at the end win a million dollars from Jeff Probst (T-H-L-K-D). (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

Anything else I missed? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[victim of censorship]

The only way to truly get rid of someone on Wikipedia is to have the patience of an Ent (T-H-L-K-D) and the stealthiness of a ninja.

1-) Start a new account preferably with a new IP address.

2-) Edit in non-controversial areas for several months.

3-) Do several content-happy things such as "Did You Knows?", Good Articles, and Featured Articles.

4-) Work on content with a few administrator editors.

5-) Ask these administrators for help on minor and major things (content, behavioral issues, etc.)

6-) During this time, note Goethean's contributions and the articles he edits. Do not cross with him for the first few months until you are sure that you have a good rapport with the administrators you have befriended.

7-) Make edits on articles near and dear to Goethean's heart. Be sure your edits are within WP's content policy and backed by proper citations, but make sure this counters Goethean's biases on the articles. Eventually, he will confront you.

8-) Argue your case for making the changes based strictly on WP policy. Ask one or more of your administrator friends for guidance in dealing with the dispute.

9-) Back off from the subject for a while (a month or so) to show that you are humble. Revisit Goethean's articles and do Steps 7 and 8 until you and Goethean's dispute is brought up to a public noticeboard. Never initiate the proceedings yourself.

10-) These actions will inevitably reach public noticeboards like the Administrator Noticeboards. Keep calm and again argue your cause for your edits based strictly on WP policy. Ask one or more of your administrator friends that have seen or taken part in mediating between you and Goethean.

11-) At no point on Wikipedia (especially on the noticeboards) should you attack Goethean personally. Note with "diffs" his violations of WP's "CIVIL" and "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS" policies. Note also your attempts to work with him and his resistance. Your administrator friends will likely back you up and provide evidence of their own.

12-) Agree to work on Dispute Resolution (Wikiquette Alerts, Requests for Mediation, Requests for Comment, etc.) with Goethean. If he's as hot-tempered as you make him out to be, he'll refuse. If he doesn't refuse, just go along with it and focus only on Wikipedia policy and how you've adhered to it while Goethean has not. Suggest politely how Goethean could change his behavior and, humbly, admit how you may have done wrong and how you will change yourself to be a better beloved Wikipedian. Humor Goethean's suggestions to change your own behavior.

13-) After completing Dispute Resolution, repeat Step 9 and, if necessary, 10, 11, and 12.

14-) Repeat Step 13 until Goethean finally explodes and commits gross violations of CIVIL and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. Ask your administrator friends for help. They will likely tell you to take it for wider public comment. Bring this to a public noticeboard like AN/I. The Community will likely sanction or ban Goethean or tell you take it to Arbitration.

15-) By now, you've completed Dispute Resolution and had multiple witnesses, including your powerful administrator friends, to Goethean's violations. You have given him enough rope and have enough evidence to get the Arbitration Committee or the Community to ban him.

16-) Goethean may return after a time on wiki-parole or after his ban. If he still gets your goat, simply repeat this process and always take the high road of kindness and wiki-love. He'll be banned again before you know it! It's even better when he socks and you can go to Tiptoety and ask him to ban Goethean's socks! The irony!

That is how you successfully remove your enemies from Wikipedia. The downside is it takes months, a year, or more than a year to go through all the necessary steps, but that's how it is. How does a flea drain an elephant of it's blood? Little by little over a very long time. You must have patience (and maybe even be psychotic) to go through all this trouble.

What's also sad is that if this were television, you would at the end win a million dollars from Jeff Probst (T-H-L-K-D). (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

Anything else I missed? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

How do you know I'm not in process.

[Somey]

How do you know I'm not in process.

Because you wouldn't have time to post new threads about Goatbag here if you were doing all that stuff...? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

I actually consider User:Goethean's most egregious offenses to be some of the more recent ones, which suggests that he's burning out and losing patience to some degree. In particular, his insistence on trying to paint Ramakrishna as some sort of sex-crazed pervert seemed like the sort of thing someone would do once he started getting less interested in the gamesmanship and more interested in just getting pissed off at anyone who disagrees with him.

Alison, you participated in that thread - were you not reading the posts about what he was actually doing? IMO people have been banned for less than that before, at least when it was Christian or Jewish religious figures being attacked in that fashion. Then again, they banned User:Ptmccain and a variety of others for trying to defend Western religious figures too... but hey, inconsistent application of rules is what Wikipedia is all about, I suppose.

[victim of censorship]

How do you know I'm not in process.

Because you wouldn't have time to post new threads about Goatbag here if you were doing all that stuff...? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

I actually consider User:Goethean's most egregious offenses to be some of the more recent ones, which suggests that he's burning out and losing patience to some degree. In particular, his insistence on trying to paint Ramakrishna as some sort of sex-crazed pervert seemed like the sort of thing someone would do once he started getting less interested in the gamesmanship and more interested in just getting pissed off at anyone who disagrees with him.

Alison, you participated in that thread - were you not reading the posts about what he was actually doing? IMO people have been banned for less than that before, at least when it was Christian or Jewish religious figures being attacked in that fashion. Then again, they banned User:Ptmccain and a variety of others for trying to defend Western religious figures too... but hey, inconsistent application of rules is what Wikipedia is all about, I suppose.

Actually, I have been doing a lot of walking precincts for Brady, Fortner, Hultgen and don't have that kind of time, since Real life is more important the the religion of wiki.

Maybe 3 or 4 years ago I would have taken the time, but in the present, I push in efforts to educate the local elected officials, particularity the congressmen (personally know 3) to change section 260 CDMA and the total evil and lies which wiki is all about.

Any rate Alison, by her ignoring Gothed's antics is enabling them and by her inaction, consents to them. No amount of apologetic will change that fact.

Any rate, I watch and wait.

Some more history of Goathed online to see his war with those who don't agree with his way.

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[Sxeptomaniac]

Real life is more important the the religion of wiki.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

This is a sensible, fairly wise statement.

[Subtle Bee]

Real life is more important the the religion of wiki.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

This is a sensible, fairly wise statement.

well, almost.

[victim of censorship]

Looks like Goethean mans up all right

Cowards!!! I call cowards those who enable this tub of over educated shit.


==So afraid to confront the demon==

What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that, me, (an uneducated person) will show you to be worng? Whats the matter, You can't face your accuser and tell me why your so right and the world at large so wrong??? You may have friends who enable your antics here (Wikipedia) but in real life, you're just a little man, wound to tight and full of nonsense. Again show me, at Wikipedia review, why you are not an evil pimple on the ass of life.~~~~"

Update.... Looks like Goethean punks out....

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[Subtle Bee]

Again show me, at Wikipedia review, why you are not an evil pimple on the ass of life.~~~~"

For the love of God, please make this the next site tagline. Thx!

[TungstenCarbide]

Again show me, at Wikipedia review, why you are not an evil pimple on the ass of life.~~~~"

For the love of God, please make this the next site tagline. Thx!

+1

[Milton Roe]

Again show me, at Wikipedia review, why you are not an evil pimple on the ass of life.~~~~"

For the love of God, please make this the next site tagline. Thx!

+1

Yeah, Somey, you have to do it for at least a week. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

(Damn, for all our effort, we were unable to actually prove it mathematically...)

[Somey]

Yeah, Somey, you have to do it for at least a week. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

Come on, now you sound like my sex therapist!

I thought we were supposed to be a "family" website? I don't think I've ever put anything truly vulgar up there - maybe there's another word we could use for "ass" that wouldn't ruin the line?

Besides, it makes no sense unless it's in context. If it just says, "Show us why you are not an evil pimple on the ass of life," casual readers might think they're being insulted, i.e., it's directed at whoever happens to read it. But if it says, "Show us why Goethean is not an evil pimple on the ass of life," then it only makes sense to people who know who "Goethean" is, which (perhaps thankfully) isn't a very large number of people. What's more, why should they have to show us? That's not their job.

If there's a way to make it more universally appealing without being taken the wrong way by casual visitors, then sure... there must be a way, right? I'll have to think about it - right now, though, I'm coming off a lengthy work-jag and I can't think so creatively.