William Connolley (and Polargeo) vs Lar, Global warming wars Options

[Cla68]

RfC time. I take it WMC did not appreciate being called on his actions.

[Moulton]

To be fair, Lar, look at how long it took for others to come around to the view that you, CLa68, and many more of us have been saying for several years now. What perplexes me is not that others don't see what so many of us now see, but that we have made so little progress in figuring out how best to illuminate the issue so that it may be more easily seen by those who sincerely care about crafting accurate models of complex systems.

I frankly dunno which is the more complex model to reckon -- global climate or WP socio-political dynamics. But it occurs to me that anyone capable of apprehending a reliable model of one is probably capable of apprehending a reliable model of the other.

[Lar]

To be fair, Lar, look at how long it took for others to come around to the view that you, CLa68, and many more of us have been saying for several years now. What perplexes me is not that others don't see what so many of us now see, but that we have made so little progress in figuring out how best to illuminate the issue so that it may be more easily seen by those who sincerely care about crafting accurate models of complex systems.

Well I can't claim to be very sharp on this front... for quite some time after I saw the pattern, I thought it was a good thing, that enforcing the House POV (at least in most areas) was more important than most anything else. After all, we're Building an Encyclopedia ™ !

And, on GW, which scares the bejeezus out of me, I gotta say there's part of me that STILL thinks that maybe this GW thing is so important that we should go with the thuggish enforcement (to keep On Message) if that's what it takes. Mostly no, but a part of me anyway. Mostly no because I think the articles can be fine without thuggery.

I frankly dunno which is the more complex model to reckon -- global climate or WP socio-political dynamics. But it occurs to me that anyone capable of apprehending a reliable model of one is probably capable of apprehending a reliable model of the other.

That's a no brainer. Climate may have more variables, but WP has people. People cannot be modeled accurately. Full stop.

Either that or it's me. Maybe I just can't model them. I've always sucked at politics. Look at how I got outmaneuvered in the steward thing by a tiny little clique in a very short span of time.

[Moulton]

The problem with allowing the thuggery in some areas is that it thereby becomes the normative practice, which gradually spreads until the whole project becomes rotten with corruption.

People cannot be modeled accurately. Full stop.

Shakespeare didn't think so. And we have made a lot of progress since his day.

Either that or it's me. Maybe I just can't model them. I've always sucked at politics. Look at how I got outmaneuvered in the steward thing by a tiny little clique in a very short span of time.

I can empathize. But since I'm a systems scientist who specializes in constructing models of complex systems, I gave it a go, just to see what I could come up with.

[Lar]

The problem with allowing the thuggery in some areas is that it thereby becomes the normative practice, which gradually spreads until the whole project becomes rotten with corruption.

Well at least the trains run on time. For a while. Or so they say.

I can empathize. But since I'm a systems scientist who specializes in constructing models of complex systems, I gave it a go, just to see what I could come up with.

And? what did you come up with? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Given that you're blocked indef in many places either your model doesn't work to predict things accurately enough to stay out of the soup, or being able to edit freely wasn't actually your final goal...