William Connolley (and Polargeo) vs Lar, Global warming wars Options

[Cla68]

RfC time. I take it WMC did not appreciate being called on his actions.

[Moulton]

WMF has both a Mission Statement and a Vision Statement. Some projects (such as Wikiversity) also have them. As near as I can tell, the English Wikipedia does not have a Mission Statement or a Vision Statement.

However, this illustrates much of the problem. Lumping climate change together with Intelligent Design and Cold Fusion, or even scientology for that matter, is not useful. It is so completely different that it becomes a joke even trying to compare it and doing so is indicative of the misconceptions of the whole area. The Israel Pallestine issue is a very separate type of issue and is far closer to the Balkans situation on wikipedia.

I will grant you that the level of rudeness, abusiveness, coerciveness, etc, varies from one subject area to the next. The editors of IDCab were so egregious and outlandish in their bullying tactics that ArbCom unanimously condemned one of them. The issue that Cla68 raised was that he was seeing those same bullying tactics turning up again in the CC kerfuffles.

[Polargeo]

WMF has both a Mission Statement and a Vision Statement. Some projects (such as Wikiversity) also have them. As near as I can tell, the English Wikipedia does not have a Mission Statement or a Vision Statement.

However, this illustrates much of the problem. Lumping climate change together with Intelligent Design and Cold Fusion, or even scientology for that matter, is not useful. It is so completely different that it becomes a joke even trying to compare it and doing so is indicative of the misconceptions of the whole area. The Israel Pallestine issue is a very separate type of issue and is far closer to the Balkans situation on wikipedia.

I will grant you that the level of rudeness, abusiveness, coerciveness, etc, varies from one subject area to the next. The editors of IDCab were so egregious and outlandish in their bullying tactics that ArbCom unanimously condemned one of them. The issue that Cla68 raised was that he was seeing those same bullying tactics turning up again in the CC kerfuffles.

Cla has a bit too much of an axe to grind on this issue. There is often some rudeness as in any heated disspute. Of course wikipedia should keep this to a minimum. I have an issue with your perception of "coerciveness" this should be handled separately from rudness and unfortunately this is not being done. There is not a batch of editors who are going around bullying people in the CC area. Occassionally on a particular article a few editors have lost patience with some terrible additions by the 20th climate change skeptic of the day but I do not see a group of editors going around and coercively bullying anyone. I think WMC is being used as a convenient stick to beat others with.

[Lar]

There is not a batch of editors who are going around bullying people in the CC area.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but... you're just not very observant. Or blinded by something. Or deliberately not seeing what is there. If it was just me that felt that there are (insert your favorite C word here [1] )-ish groups in various contentious areas that enforce the "house POV" I'd certainly look at what I was seeing and wonder if it wasn't there.

But it's not just me[2]. About the only people who don't see it are those who are in the very same (insert your favorite C word here[1])-ish groups and use denial of what the rest of us know as a control tactic, the naive, and the clueless.

Which are you? That's what I can't figure. I'm an optimist so I'm going with naive.

1 - coven/cabal/colloquium/confluence/cadre/corps/club/cast/controlling

2 - see MZMcBride's view in that farce you started. And think about who all signed it. NOT just "denyers", inconveniently.

[Polargeo]

There is not a batch of editors who are going around bullying people in the CC area.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but... you're just not very observant. Or blinded by something. Or deliberately not seeing what is there. If it was just me that felt that there are (insert your favorite C word here [1] )-ish groups in various contentious areas that enforce the "house POV" I'd certainly look at what I was seeing and wonder if it wasn't there.

But it's not just me[2]. About the only people who don't see it are those who are in the very same (insert your favorite C word here[1])-ish groups and use denial of what the rest of us know as a control tactic, the naive, and the clueless.

Which are you? That's what I can't figure. I'm an optimist so I'm going with naive.

1 - coven/cabal/colloquium/confluence/cadre/corps/club/cast/controlling

2 - see MZMcBride's view in that farce you started. And think about who all signed it. NOT just "denyers", inconveniently.

Broken record or not with these sort of feelings you should not be acting as an uninvolved admin. You appear to be attempting to push a POV. You are consistantly acting as though you are uninvolved whilst you clearly have a long history of involement.

[Lar]

There is not a batch of editors who are going around bullying people in the CC area.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but... you're just not very observant. Or blinded by something. Or deliberately not seeing what is there. If it was just me that felt that there are (insert your favorite C word here [1] )-ish groups in various contentious areas that enforce the "house POV" I'd certainly look at what I was seeing and wonder if it wasn't there.

But it's not just me[2]. About the only people who don't see it are those who are in the very same (insert your favorite C word here[1])-ish groups and use denial of what the rest of us know as a control tactic, the naive, and the clueless.

Which are you? That's what I can't figure. I'm an optimist so I'm going with naive.

1 - coven/cabal/colloquium/confluence/cadre/corps/club/cast/controlling

2 - see MZMcBride's view in that farce you started. And think about who all signed it. NOT just "denyers", inconveniently.

Broken record or not with these sort of feelings you should not be acting as an uninvolved admin. You appear to be attempting to push a POV. You are consistantly acting as though you are uninvolved whilst you clearly have a long history of involement.

What POV is that? The POV that WP should work the way it's claimed to work? Sure, I'll cop to that.

You're supposed to cop to that as well. But somehow I don't think you do. I think you're probably not in the running for Straight Shooter award this year, although some wag may well nominate you.

Hey, is Lar still around? I've not heard a peep from him on these boards in ages.

Let's all cup our hands around our mouths and do the Lar call. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

What on earth do you mean? He's made five posts already this week. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Two were direct replies to Horsey, I think. He must have me on ignore again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Or is this some very clever trolling that's gone over my head? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

If so, mine too.

[A Horse With No Name]

Two were direct replies to Horsey, I think. He must have me on ignore again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Oh, there you are. I must have been distracted. So...can I borrow $50? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Lar]

Two were direct replies to Horsey, I think. He must have me on ignore again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Oh, there you are. I must have been distracted. So...can I borrow $50? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Actually I was hoping to tap you for $100, I'm skint.

[A Horse With No Name]

Two were direct replies to Horsey, I think. He must have me on ignore again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Oh, there you are. I must have been distracted. So...can I borrow $50? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Actually I was hoping to tap you for $100, I'm skint.

And speaking of "ignore" -- when is little ol' you going to Friend me on Facebook, hmmm? I've been waiting to join your circle for some time, baby! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)