CheckUser and Oversight elections Options

[Rick]

The next CU and OS elections are coming up!

[Kelly Martin]

The next CU and OS elections are coming up!

Has the Cabal announced yet who is supposed to win them?

[NuclearWarfare]

The next CU and OS elections are coming up!

Has the Cabal announced yet who is supposed to win them?

Timeline:
# May 1–8 – Preparation for election, including offers of nomination to selected candidates
# May 9–22 – Voting using the SecurePoll extension for a secret ballot
# May 22–27 – Arbitration Committee review of results
# May 28 – Announcement of results

[Malleus]

The next CU and OS elections are coming up!

Has the Cabal announced yet who is supposed to win them?

No doubt if there are any winners who weren't supposed to win they'll be dealt with appropriately.

[Gruntled]

The next CU and OS elections are coming up!

Has the Cabal announced yet who is supposed to win them?

No doubt if there are any winners who weren't supposed to win they'll be dealt with appropriately.

Surely it's not a simple vote such that if you get x% you're in and if you get any less you're not. The closers have to determine whether there is a consensus to appoint. As anyone who follows RfA and RfB (presumably most people here) will know, consensus means whatever you want it to mean.

[taiwopanfob]

Surely it's not a simple vote such that if you get x% you're in and if you get any less you're not. The closers have to determine whether there is a consensus to appoint. As anyone who follows RfA and RfB (presumably most people here) will know, consensus means whatever you want it to mean.

Why vote in an election when, once the polls close, some agency is going to step in and make sure you voted for the right guy?

What is the point of using "secure" voting techniques in such an election?

[SB_Johnny]

Surely it's not a simple vote such that if you get x% you're in and if you get any less you're not. The closers have to determine whether there is a consensus to appoint. As anyone who follows RfA and RfB (presumably most people here) will know, consensus means whatever you want it to mean.

Why vote in an election when, once the polls close, some agency is going to step in and make sure you voted for the right guy?

What is the point of using "secure" voting techniques in such an election?

Simple:

1. The people who vote know who's in good standing with the cabal.
2. The people who vote tend to either support the cabal or are "trolls"
3. Aside from cabal supporters and trolls, nobody else is interested in the elections.
4. After the troll votes are discounted, the vote shows the world how wonderfully consensus-driven Wikipedia is.

Not all that mysterious, after all (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Moulton]

So, it's coming down to the Central Consensual Cabal vs the Terrible Taunting Trobal.

[Eva Destruction]

Simple:

1. The people who vote know who's in good standing with the cabal.
2. The people who vote tend to either support the cabal or are "trolls"
3. Aside from cabal supporters and trolls, nobody else is interested in the elections.
4. After the troll votes are discounted, the vote shows the world how wonderfully consensus-driven Wikipedia is.

Not all that mysterious, after all (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Even simpler, in this case; only "pre-approved" candidates are allowed to stand in the first place. No prizes for guessing who dishes out permission to stand. I can see a good-intention reason for that—it stops the pedo-clique from being able to game their members into being the ones who make the decisions on kiddy-porn, for instance.

[taiwopanfob]

Even simpler, in this case; only "pre-approved" candidates are allowed to stand in the first place.

What is the purpose of the five day post-election "review of results" by the ArbCommies?

[Eva Destruction]

Even simpler, in this case; only "pre-approved" candidates are allowed to stand in the first place.

What is the purpose of the five day post-election "review of results" by the ArbCommies?

I think that's a clumsy wording for "verifying the winner's identities and checking with Godwin that there's no legal objection to the appointment". I don't know if they conduct any kind of background check, but I assume they do something, given that they insist on proof of identity before they enable any of these "ability to view sensitive material" powers. That's one Wikipedia policy I've no argument with at all, however much the information-wants-to-be-free hardliners whine about it.

[Jon Awbrey]

Even simpler, in this case; only "pre-approved" candidates are allowed to stand in the first place.

What is the purpose of the five day post-election "review of results" by the ArbCommies?

That's how long it takes to incubate an embryonic Goa'uld Wiki-Parasite.

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Kelly Martin]

I don't know if they conduct any kind of background check, but I assume they do something, given that they insist on proof of identity before they enable any of these "ability to view sensitive material" powers. That's one Wikipedia policy I've no argument with at all, however much the information-wants-to-be-free hardliners whine about it.

The "background check" consists of asking around the Cabal to see if anyone objects.

That window is also used to deal with the relatively unlikely situation in which a candidate which the Cabal wanted elected somehow failed to get the requisite votes. In this case the votes cast against that candidate will be scrutinized to identify what malcontents are opposing the will of the Cabal so they can be deal with appropriately.

[Eva Destruction]

I don't know if they conduct any kind of background check, but I assume they do something, given that they insist on proof of identity before they enable any of these "ability to view sensitive material" powers. That's one Wikipedia policy I've no argument with at all, however much the information-wants-to-be-free hardliners whine about it.

The "background check" consists of asking around the Cabal to see if anyone objects.

That window is also used to deal with the relatively unlikely situation in which a candidate which the Cabal wanted elected somehow failed to get the requisite votes. In this case the votes cast against that candidate will be scrutinized to identify what malcontents are opposing the will of the Cabal so they can be deal with appropriately.

Pretty much. But I'd like to think that in the current climate, they at least carry out some kind of cursory check, even if it's just googling the name to see if the first hit is "recently convicted sex offender whose hobby is editing Wikipedia from his cell".

[taiwopanfob]

But I'd like to think that in the current climate, they at least carry out some kind of cursory check, even if it's just googling the name to see if the first hit is "recently convicted sex offender whose hobby is editing Wikipedia from his cell".

Considering the jobs the winners of these elections will be doing, this strikes me as the sort of thing that should be known to the electorate.

Before the polls open.

Maybe I missed something, but doesn't the WMF at least verify, in advance of the election, that all candidates meet the necessary conditions to stand as candidates?

[NuclearWarfare]

Maybe I missed something, but doesn't the WMF at least verify, in advance of the election, that all candidates meet the necessary conditions to stand as candidates?

Depends on the election. Stewards and Board candidates have to verify their identities beforehand, but enwiki checkuser and oversight candidates do it after their election. Both receive access to the tools only after Cary confirms their identity though. How detailed of a process Cary uses to check identities, I have no idea.

[Theanima]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

[Eva Destruction]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I can barely contain my excitement.

[Theanima]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I can barely contain my excitement.

Yes, it should be entertaining. The candidates aren't really surprising - none appear to be editors who spend their time writing and improving encyclopedia entries.

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[Apathetic]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I expect we will also see these three (Ryan Postlethwaite (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Lankiveil (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Someguy1221 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ) stand for oversight.

(edit: removed Closedmouth, already noted)

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[Theanima]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I expect we will also see these four (Ryan Postlethwaite (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Lankiveil (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Someguy1221 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) ) stand for oversight.

Closedmouth is already there. Why do you think oversight?

[Apathetic]

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I expect we will also see these four (Ryan Postlethwaite (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Lankiveil (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Someguy1221 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) ) stand for oversight.

Closedmouth is already there. Why do you think oversight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=360740638

A few more invitations to stand for election have been offered for Oversight permissions; we are awaiting confirmation from those candidates that they are still interested.

[Ottava]

LessHeard is chosen even though he almost failed his re-RfA for his nasty personal attacks and abuse of others, yet Xeno is not up there even though he is rather polite.

LessHeard makes political attacks and does nothing but what he can show off during, while Xeno does most of the "slave work", is dutiful to the project, and tends to do most of his work quietly.

That is shameful.

The Arbitrators have really shown that they don't care about policy or the community with that choice.

[Guido den Broeder]

Surely it's not a simple vote such that if you get x% you're in and if you get any less you're not. The closers have to determine whether there is a consensus to appoint. As anyone who follows RfA and RfB (presumably most people here) will know, consensus means whatever you want it to mean.

Why vote in an election when, once the polls close, some agency is going to step in and make sure you voted for the right guy?

What is the point of using "secure" voting techniques in such an election?

The purpose of an election is to get a nice, clean list of future victims. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Rick]

Oh crap, I should've known that greedy bastard Tiptoety was going to be in the election. Someone bring up the thing about the cops! Oh, how I loathe that Tiptoety! He's already high enough (what with his global sysopness, his sysopness on Meta, his CheckUser and Oversight on Commons, and his sysopness on the Simple Wikibooks and Wikiquote) - he doesn't need to be any higher! I think Heimstern Läufer would be a much better candidate, seeing as he is an admin on a non-Wikimedia Wiki and that he would probably be the first such candidate.

[Malleus]

Oh crap, I should've known that greedy bastard Tiptoety was going to be in the election. Someone bring up the thing about the cops! Oh, how I loathe that Tiptoety! He's already high enough (what with his global sysopness, his sysopness on Meta, his CheckUser and Oversight on Commons, and his sysopness on the Simple Wikibooks and Wikiquote) - he doesn't need to be any higher! I think Heimstern Läufer would be a much better candidate, seeing as he is an admin on a non-Wikimedia Wiki and that he would probably be the first such candidate.

The election is just a joke isn't it?

[NuclearWarfare]

Oh crap, I should've known that greedy bastard Tiptoety was going to be in the election. Someone bring up the thing about the cops! Oh, how I loathe that Tiptoety! He's already high enough (what with his global sysopness, his sysopness on Meta, his CheckUser and Oversight on Commons, and his sysopness on the Simple Wikibooks and Wikiquote) - he doesn't need to be any higher! I think Heimstern Läufer would be a much better candidate, seeing as he is an admin on a non-Wikimedia Wiki and that he would probably be the first such candidate.

Is there any reason you essentially posted the same message on two separate threads? And, you know, did you ever think of asking Heim if he wanted to run?

[A Horse With No Name]

I expect we will also see these three (Ryan Postlethwaite (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Lankiveil (T-C-L-K-R-D) ; Someguy1221 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ) stand for oversight.

(edit: removed Closedmouth, already noted)

Out of 11 million registered user, this is the best they can come up with? Dumb, dumber and Lankiveil. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

LessHeard is chosen even though he almost failed his re-RfA for his nasty personal attacks and abuse of others, yet Xeno is not up there even though he is rather polite.

If less LessHeard and Xeno had a fist fight, who would win? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

The Arbitrators have really shown that they don't care about policy or the community with that choice.

If their photographs on Hivemind are any indication, they also don't put much thought into personal hygiene, grooming and weight control. Come on, aren't there any hotties on Wikipedia who want to be an arbitrator? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

Is there any reason you essentially posted the same message on two separate threads? And, you know, did you ever think of asking Heim if he wanted to run?

You're much too polite. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

The election is just a joke isn't it?

Speaking of joke elections...Malley, is there a new prime minister yet?

[Malleus]

Speaking of joke elections...Malley, is there a new prime minister yet?

No, there isn't. Just the same unelected crap one we had before. I'm much more interested to see what Wigan can do against Chelsea on Sunday.

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[EricBarbour]

1. The people who vote know who's in good standing with the cabal.
2. The people who vote tend to either support the cabal or are "trolls"
3. Aside from cabal supporters and trolls, nobody else is interested in the elections.
4. After the troll votes are discounted, the vote shows the world how wonderfully consensus-driven Wikipedia is.

Don't forget:

5. The current demented squabble over Jimbo deleting pornographic images from Commons is helping to distract attention away from the CU/Oversight elections. Remarkably convenient. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

(And Tiptoety is still a little shit. Just for completeness.)

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[Ottava]

If less LessHeard and Xeno had a fist fight, who would win? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

LessHeard because Xeno wouldn't resort to such pettiness and LessHeard enjoys taking cheap shots.

[Rick]

1. The people who vote know who's in good standing with the cabal.
2. The people who vote tend to either support the cabal or are "trolls"
3. Aside from cabal supporters and trolls, nobody else is interested in the elections.
4. After the troll votes are discounted, the vote shows the world how wonderfully consensus-driven Wikipedia is.

Don't forget:

5. The current demented squabble over Jimbo deleting pornographic images from Commons is helping to distract attention away from the CU/Oversight elections. Remarkably convenient. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

(And Tiptoety is still a little shit. Just for completeness.)

Glad you agree. That cop wannabe needs to be taught a BIG lesson. He is a disgrace to Wikipedia; if he was stripped of his tools and blocked indeifintely without chance of coming back, Wikipedia would definitely be a better place.

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

Well, since there are only four CU candidates, there will be only one loser. I think the one we all want to lose is Tiptoety. Unfortunately, he is probably the least likely to lose.

I think a great movie would be the four CU candidates in a Survivor-like situation: they go through numerous activities and whoever has the least points at the end misses out on the promotion. I really, really hope that Tiptoety would end up being the loser.

Well, the candidates are up!

For checkuser, we have Amalthea (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Jamesofur (T-C-L-K-R-D) , MuZemike (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

For oversight, we have Arbitrarily0 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Beeblebrox (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Closedmouth (T-C-L-K-R-D) , LessHeard vanU (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Valley2city (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I can barely contain my excitement.

Yes, it should be entertaining. The candidates aren't really surprising - none appear to be editors who spend their time writing and improving encyclopedia entries.

That's not entirely correct. MuZemike, for example, is a heavy contributor; not long ago, he tripled the size of an article in just one edit ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ninja_Gaiden_II:_The_Dark_Sword_of_Chaos&curid=1564794&diff=345148575&oldid=341868761]), and he has quite a sense of humour (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:125.136.132.228&diff=360679519&oldid=359822826]). And Tiptoety, the one I hate, loathe, and despise, started his Wikipedia career as a contributor to the article about his police department. (This is exactly why Tyler should not be a CheckUser - he is a police cadet and is likely to give CU data to his cronies).

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[SirFozzie]

Speaking of joke elections...Malley, is there a new prime minister yet?

No, there isn't. Just the same unelected crap one we had before. I'm much more interested to see what Wigan can do against Chelsea on Sunday.

Bah. Who cares about the EPL Title, Fulham's going for the Europa League title mid-week! (yeah, I know I know, it's a two-bob title, but hey, gotta root for the Yank!)

We now return you to your normally scheduled discussion.

[CharlotteWebb]

I don't know if they conduct any kind of background check, but I assume they do something, given that they insist on proof of identity before they enable any of these "ability to view sensitive material" powers. That's one Wikipedia policy I've no argument with at all, however much the information-wants-to-be-free hardliners whine about it.

Seems like one would need to know what that "something" is before forming an opinion on it.

Maybe I missed something, but doesn't the WMF at least verify, in advance of the election, that all candidates meet the necessary conditions to stand as candidates?

Seems like a rational person wouldn't submit that information to WMF unless and until knowing he or she had some chance of winning... i.e. that the process is rigged in their favor (or at least, not rigged against them).

Of course if they don't meet the "necessary conditions" when announced as a tentative winner there should be plenty of runners-up. However there are not.

Of course if nobody qualifies I'd be tickled to death.

[Kelly Martin]

Possibly of some interest would be this, over on Commons. Apparently our little Portland whacker pissed someone off.

[Theanima]

Possibly of some interest would be this, over on Commons. Apparently our little Portland whacker pissed someone off.

Abigor, the same admin who abusively retaliated against Ottava Rima and blocked him for a month.

[EricBarbour]

Possibly of some interest would be this, over on Commons. Apparently our little Portland whacker pissed someone off.

Ty pissed off a Commons porn-lover, to be specific. Because he deleted a priceless photo or two (or three). (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

You wanna Hasten The Day? Induce the Wiki-mutants to fight among themselves over issues like the Commons porn. Inclusionists vs. deletionists, Jimbo-lovers vs. "we don't need him anymore"ers, that kind of thing. Let the Glorious Project tear itself apart---from within.

[Rick]

Oh, man. If only Tyler would withdraw or be knocked off the election. Someone needs to bring up the police concerns.

[Theanima]

Oh, man. If only Tyler would withdraw or be knocked off the election. Someone needs to bring up the police concerns.

They do because...?

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Oh, man. If only Tyler would withdraw or be knocked off the election. Someone needs to bring up the police concerns.

Are you going to tell us what he actually did Rick ... to you or not, I don't care. I am not going to judge you.

I would just like to see the evidence documented. It is what we are good for around here.

Thanks.

[Eva Destruction]

Oh, man. If only Tyler would withdraw or be knocked off the election. Someone needs to bring up the police concerns.

Are you going to tell us what he actually did Rick ... to you or not, I don't care. I am not going to judge you.

I would just like to see the evidence documented. It is what we are good for around here.

Thanks.

For once I find myself agreeing with Cock-up. Either explain what your beef is with the guy, or shut up. WR isn't your personal attack site.

[A Horse With No Name]

If less LessHeard and Xeno had a fist fight, who would win? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

LessHeard because Xeno wouldn't resort to such pettiness and LessHeard enjoys taking cheap shots.

Funny, I'd put my $$$ on Xeno -- he looks mild-mannered, but in a bar brawl I'd expect him to turn into a fighting machine.

Of course if nobody qualifies I'd be tickled to death.

Ooooh, mama...I didn't know you were ticklish. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Either explain what your beef is with the guy, or shut up. WR isn't your personal attack site.

Or if you must make attacks, take a couple of shots at Lar. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

No, there isn't. Just the same unelected crap one we had before.

Well, congrats on getting new leadership. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Rick]

Are you going to tell us what he actually did Rick ... to you or not, I don't care. I am not going to judge you.

I would just like to see the evidence documented. It is what we are good for around here.

Thanks.

For once I find myself agreeing with Cock-up. Either explain what your beef is with the guy, or shut up. WR isn't your personal attack site.

Ummm, if you had read "High School Kid who Pretends to Be a Cop Up for CU", you'd know. That thread is all about how he was up for CU despite being a law enforcment cadet, meaning he would be very likely to misuse whatever CU data he gets. Oh, and what about the time when Peter Damian improved a stub article and Tyler reverted it all? And yet another reason I dislike Tyler is because HE'S GREEDY! He has admin (or better) powers on at least six Wikimedia projects, as well as being a global sysop! Also, he has used an IP address that is an open proxy, and vandalised while logged out!

[NuclearWarfare]

he has used an IP address that is an open proxy, and vandalised while logged out!

Care to share your evidence?

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[Killiondude]

Blah blah blah.

Care to share your evidence?

He seems like the type of person that has lots of evidence.

[NuclearWarfare]

He seems like the type of person that has lots of evidence.

Of course.

[Rick]

he has used an IP address that is an open proxy, and vandalised while logged out!

Care to share your evidence?

Well, in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=195903356, the IP address 63.105.27.175, which is an open proxy, posts a comment on AIAV, then Tyler immediately changes the signature from the IP address to his username with the summary "oops forgot to sign in".

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[MZMcBride]

You still haven't explained why you're so butthurt, Rick.

[NuclearWarfare]

he has used an IP address that is an open proxy, and vandalised while logged out!

Care to share your evidence?

Well, in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=195903356, the IP address 63.105.27.175, which is an open proxy, posts a comment on AIAV, then Tyler immediately changes the signature from the IP address to his username with the summary "oops forgot to sign in".

"You cannot view this diff because one of the revisions has been deleted."

In any case, this seems to have been in March 2008 (which also means that it may or may not have been an open proxy then). There are also no edits since 2008 from that IP, and there is no evidence that all the edits from the IP were actually made by him. Indeed, why would he be vandalizing his own user talk? Other people's user talk pages, I could understand, but his own?

[Zoloft]

"You cannot view this diff because one of the revisions has been deleted."

In any case, this seems to have been in March 2008 (which also means that it may or may not have been an open proxy then). There are also no edits since 2008 from that IP, and there is no evidence that all the edits from the IP were actually made by him. Indeed, why would he be vandalizing his own user talk? Other people's user talk pages, I could understand, but his own?

Reichstag fire? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Moulton]

Reichstag fire? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

If so, I hope more Wikipedians adopt the practice of burning down their own house.

[carbuncle]

In any case, this seems to have been in March 2008 (which also means that it may or may not have been an open proxy then). There are also no edits since 2008 from that IP, and there is no evidence that all the edits from the IP were actually made by him. Indeed, why would he be vandalizing his own user talk? Other people's user talk pages, I could understand, but his own?

Edits to "List of law enforcement agencies in Oregon" in May 2007 point to Tiptoey and this edit in January 2008 suggests that it was still used by him months later. The only thing I'm puzzled about is why it was assumed to be an open proxy.

Well, I am also a bit puzzled by this sequence of edits: the aforementioned IP vandalizes user page of NHRH2010 (calling them a "dirt mexican"); Tiptoey reverts the vandalism (note that both edits are within a minute of each other); and the user later gives Tiptoey a highly valued barnstar for their efforts. Reichstag fire indeed...

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[ulsterman]

Well, in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=195903356, the IP address 63.105.27.175, which is an open proxy, posts a comment on AIAV, then Tyler immediately changes the signature from the IP address to his username with the summary "oops forgot to sign in".

It's not an open proxy in the way the phrase is normally understood, namely an IP that anyone can use via Tor or similar tools. It belongs to a respectable company in Portland, Oregon (using Verizon as its ISP) that allocates IPs through its own internal proxy.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois/?tool_...p=63.105.27.175

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ipall/?tool_...p=63.105.27.175

Yes, there is some vandalism from that IP

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=134978643

but no evidence that Tiptoety was behind it.

Well, I am also a bit puzzled by this sequence of edits: the aforementioned IP vandalizes user page of NHRH2010 (calling them a "dirt mexican"); Tiptoey reverts the vandalism (note that both edits are within a minute of each other); and the user later gives Tiptoey a highly valued barnstar for their efforts. Reichstag fire indeed...

It is entirely posible that Tiptoety was aware that a vandal was using that IP and regularly checked up on the edits by that IP, especially if he had just seen that person on a computer. And of course the barnstar could have been awarded by Tiptoety himself or by a third person with access to the IP, rather than the vandal. No smoking gun.

[carbuncle]

Well, in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=195903356, the IP address 63.105.27.175, which is an open proxy, posts a comment on AIAV, then Tyler immediately changes the signature from the IP address to his username with the summary "oops forgot to sign in".

It's not an open proxy in the way the phrase is normally understood, namely an IP that anyone can use via Tor or similar tools. It belongs to a respectable company in Portland, Oregon (using Verizon as its ISP) that allocates IPs through its own internal proxy.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois/?tool_...p=63.105.27.175

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ipall/?tool_...p=63.105.27.175

Yes, there is some vandalism from that IP

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=134978643

but no evidence that Tiptoety was behind it.

Well, I am also a bit puzzled by this sequence of edits: the aforementioned IP vandalizes user page of NHRH2010 (calling them a "dirt mexican"); Tiptoey reverts the vandalism (note that both edits are within a minute of each other); and the user later gives Tiptoey a highly valued barnstar for their efforts. Reichstag fire indeed...

It is entirely posible that Tiptoety was aware that a vandal was using that IP and regularly checked up on the edits by that IP, especially if he had just seen that person on a computer. And of course the barnstar could have been awarded by Tiptoety himself or by a third person with access to the IP, rather than the vandal. No smoking gun.

Sorry, I'm not very good with this network type stuff, so you'll have to spell it out for me. What is the "respectable company" using the IP?

[ulsterman]

Sorry, I'm not very good with this network type stuff, so you'll have to spell it out for me. What is the "respectable company" using the IP?

They're called Portland Interworks. They appear to be a building firm.

http://web2.userinstinct.com/36246903-interworks-llc.htm

http://www.findcontractor.org/home-constru...land-203945.htm

[carbuncle]

Sorry, I'm not very good with this network type stuff, so you'll have to spell it out for me. What is the "respectable company" using the IP?

They're called Portland Interworks. They appear to be a building firm.

http://web2.userinstinct.com/36246903-interworks-llc.htm

http://www.findcontractor.org/home-constru...land-203945.htm

I think you may have misread something there. The IP appears to belong to Portland Internetworks, not Portland Interworks. The latter is a building contractor; the former is an ISP.

[ulsterman]

I think you may have misread something there. The IP appears to belong to Portland Internetworks, not Portland Interworks. The latter is a building contractor; the former is an ISP.

Oh. Well, I wasn't planning to stand for Checkuser just yet.

[Rick]

So, how is the voting going?

[NuclearWarfare]

So, how is the voting going?

Voting is done via SecurePoll instead of publicly, so only the election administrators (sysadmins and a select group of stewards) and whoever they choose to share it with (theoretically no one until ArbCom gets the results on the 28th) know.

[Malleus]

So, how is the voting going?

Who cares?

[Kevin]

So, how is the voting going?

Who cares?

Everyone reading here, I assume.

[Rick]

Daniel Brandt, could you please add the successful candidates to your Hivemind (and also add Tiptoety regardless of whether he wins)? You haven't updated that thing in a long time.

[Theanima]

Daniel Brandt, could you please add the successful candidates to your Hivemind (and also add Tiptoety regardless of whether he wins)?

Why are you posting private messages here? What is with your obsession with Tiptoety?

You haven't updated that thing in a long time.

Good.

[Rick]

What is with your obsession with Tiptoety?

How can it be an "obsession" when I don't even like the guy? Also, why do you think that not updating Hivemind is a good thing? It shows personal details of Wikipedia admins. As for the bit about posting private messages here, why do you think it is a private message? I *was* going to send it as a PM to Mr Brandt, but...

[Theanima]

What is with your obsession with Tiptoety?

How can it be an "obsession" when I don't even like the guy? Also, why do you think that not updating Hivemind is a good thing? It shows personal details of Wikipedia admins. As for the bit about posting private messages here, why do you think it is a private message? I *was* going to send it as a PM to Mr Brandt, but...

It is possible to have an obsession with somebody or something, even if you don't like the guy. For example, Thekohser has an obsession with Jimmy Wales, but obviously doesn't like him.

It's a good thing that Brandt keeps Hivemind out of date and inaccurate because we don't need more admins getting stalked and harassed because of it. See the related thread. Brandt doesn't always read Wikipedia Review.

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[Moulton]

Perhaps the notion never occurred to you, but a lot of people get annoyed, stalked, or otherwise harrassed because of erroneous information in their BLPs. As I recall, one of the reasons Brandt created Hivemind in the first place was because WP admins couldn't be bothered to keep erroneous information out of WP BLPs.

[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

I can barely contain my excitement.

Damn secure polls have sucked most of the fun/drama out of the big elections.
Next to watching paint peel and Golf, nothing is more dull than orderly, uneventful elections.
(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

[Rick]

Let's talk about the other candidates. JamesOfUr, for example, is doomed to fail, because 1) he became an admin just recently and 2) he has been an active user for less than a year. (He did register in November 2006, but he only made like six edits until August 2009.) MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year. So Amalthea is the only CheckUser candidate who has a decent chance of winning.

As for the Oversight candidates, well, I guess they all have good chances of winning.

What surprises me, though, is the lack of familiar users in the election. Heimstern Läufer, for example, as I said above, would make a great candidate, because he is also an admin on a non-Wikimedia wiki, as well as the forum for that wiki. X!/Soxred93 and JulianColton are also good users for the election, but unfortunately, they are both underage. PMDrive1061/Lucky 6.9 would also make a great candidate, because he frequently makes CU cases about the sockpuppeteer "MascotGuy" and has said in at least one case that he is sick of making cases and wants to "get CU privileges so [he] doesn't have to keep crying over [there]". But most of all, I'd like to also see candidates who have been users on EnWiki since its first three years.

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[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year.

MuZemike is a yet another typical Wikipedian repressive personality type with no ears (does not listen), a big ban hammer ... therefore he will definitely get the Super Powers!!!

A Napoleon complex by his own inference? ... he gets a potshot taken at him of being "an example of one clear Arabist, Islamist biased administrator” by an anonymous blog. I doubt it but it might be an interesting balance ... likes wrestling and Wii so I would say has all the right skills.

People Cannot Help Being Short
July 2, 2008 by muzemike

As a 5′ 4″ male adult, and it’s something I am not proud of.

I have been discriminated upon all my life. I cannot date women, participate in certain sports everyone else takes for granted like basketball or football, or be viewed favorably in a professional environment unlike my taller counterparts. I am often compared to despotic anti-Christ dictators such as Napoleon (5′ 6″), Josef Stalin (5′ 5″), Nikita Khrushchev (5′ 3″) and Kim Jong Il (5′ 3″). Short people like me have been the justification for genocide, like they have done in Rwanda and in Bosnia.

This is the life I live, which is a life in which I cannot enjoy basic things that others take for granted. There is no way for me to fly planes, become a politician or head of any company, even though I hypothetically be the most-qualified individual out there. Being short is not like being fat or being skinny or even being weak-willed. There is nothing that I can do to make myself taller and become complicit with everyone else in society. You can say it’s like being born black, hispanic, or Asian, even though I am white.

But I suppose all the tall people out there wouldn’t know that, since you people don’t have to deal with the bullshit I have to deal with. THAT’s why I’m not religious, anymore; because if God intended for everyone to be happy, He would have made everyone tall.

Mike ... don't do it.

Forget God, take down the blog, move to another country where the dames are shorter and you will get laid more often, and be happy. Do not fall into the habit of acting out your power fantasies as a slave laborer on the Porno-pedia please.

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[The Adversary]

MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year.

<snip>... he gets a potshot taken at him of being "an example of one clear Arabist, Islamist biased administrator” by an anonymous blog. I doubt it but it might be an interesting balance ... likes wrestling and Wii so I would say has all the right skills.

Yeah, well....FYI:that same anonymous blogger has me up as a Palestinian-Arab in Europe, part of the the "aggressive ‘Radical Arab-Islamic Lobby’ on wikipedia" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

And I, who thought I was a 100% genuine troll (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

[EricBarbour]

MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year.

<snip>... he gets a potshot taken at him of being "an example of one clear Arabist, Islamist biased administrator” by an anonymous blog. I doubt it but it might be an interesting balance ... likes wrestling and Wii so I would say has all the right skills.

Yeah, well....FYI:that same anonymous blogger has me up as a Palestinian-Arab in Europe, part of the the "aggressive ‘Radical Arab-Islamic Lobby’ on wikipedia"

Charming blog. Let me guess....another angry Zionist editor offended at any attempt to make WP "neutral". With an angry blog that nobody reads.

Come to think of it, MuZemike is kind of a dick. He's a regular on SPI, where he helps to summarily ban people who may or may not actually be socks. I'm especially thinking of that General Tojo mess.

[Rick]

MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year.

<snip>... he gets a potshot taken at him of being "an example of one clear Arabist, Islamist biased administrator” by an anonymous blog. I doubt it but it might be an interesting balance ... likes wrestling and Wii so I would say has all the right skills.

Yeah, well....FYI:that same anonymous blogger has me up as a Palestinian-Arab in Europe, part of the the "aggressive ‘Radical Arab-Islamic Lobby’ on wikipedia"

Charming blog. Let me guess....another angry Zionist editor offended at any attempt to make WP "neutral". With an angry blog that nobody reads.

Come to think of it, MuZemike is kind of a dick. He's a regular on SPI, where he helps to summarily ban people who may or may not actually be socks. I'm especially thinking of that General Tojo mess.

LOL.

But anyway, we have just 12 hours before the election is over. Let's talk about other candidates, as well as the potential candidates I mentioned above.

[A Horse With No Name]

People Cannot Help Being Short
July 2, 2008 by muzemike

As a 5′ 4″ male adult, and it’s something I am not proud of.

I have been discriminated upon all my life. I cannot date women, participate in certain sports everyone else takes for granted like basketball or football, or be viewed favorably in a professional environment unlike my taller counterparts. I am often compared to despotic anti-Christ dictators such as Napoleon (5′ 6″), Josef Stalin (5′ 5″), Nikita Khrushchev (5′ 3″) and Kim Jong Il (5′ 3″). Short people like me have been the justification for genocide, like they have done in Rwanda and in Bosnia.

Is this sh*t a joke? Rwandan and Bosnia genocide was based on people being too short?

And who says shorter guys can't score babes? Hell, how many times was Mickey Rooney married?

[Milton Roe]

And who says shorter guys can't score babes? Hell, how many times was Mickey Rooney married?

I don't know if it counts how many times you're divorced. That's only a count of how many times some golddigger took you to the cleaners. However, Danny DeVito (married once and happily) is widely admired. Good for him.

Of course, having a crate of money and fame to stand atop, never hurt anybody. Even guys of average size.

[CharlotteWebb]

I am often compared to despotic anti-Christ dictators such as Napoleon (5′ 6″), Josef Stalin (5′ 5″), Nikita Khrushchev (5′ 3″) and Kim Jong Il (5′ 3″). Short people like me have been the justification for genocide, like they have done in Rwanda and in Bosnia.

Sounds a lot like Napoleon's soliloquy from 6:40 onward in this classic film clip.

[Eva Destruction]

Is this sh*t a joke? Rwandan and Bosnia genocide was based on people being too short?

Don't know he's got Bosnia from, but the Rwandan genocide was a pretty clear case of "tall tribe" v "short tribe". Wikipedia has a surprisingly good article on the physical differences between the ethnic groups of Rwanda and the various explanations put forward over the years to explain them.

[Ottava]

What is with your obsession with Tiptoety?

How can it be an "obsession" when I don't even like the guy?

If a hunter can stalk a deer, a guy who doesn't like someone else can easily do the same. Obsessions tend to be negative or end up with negative results.

[Kelly Martin]

PMDrive1061/Lucky 6.9 would also make a great candidate, because he frequently makes CU cases about the sockpuppeteer "MascotGuy" and has said in at least one case that he is sick of making cases and wants to "get CU privileges so [he] doesn't have to keep crying over [there]".

Speaking of Lucky 6.9: he sent me this email back in 2006:

Like a bad car wreck, I couldn't help but sneak a peek at good old Brainhell's user page. Both user and talk pages are pure evil aimed directly toward me. I'm now certain that I did the right thing by quitting Wikipedia. It's out of control.

I've saved the man the hassle of running me through the wringer thanks to your decision to unblock him. As you may have noticed, I deleted my user page as I wish nothing further to do with this project or any Wikimedia Foundation project and I have only logged on long enough to e-mail you to express my anger, shame and disappointment of having two years' work go up in smoke because of the bile of one person who seems to revel in the fact that he has utterly destroyed what I have worked so hard to build over a lousy deletion of a half-formed placeholder for an external link. Your decision to unblock him certainly didn't help.

In a way, he did me a favor by opening my eyes not only to literally billions of other sites but to the fact that I should direct my attention more towards my real life which, as of late, it taking a turn for the better and will require me undivided attention. I'm already posting more on other sites that are friendlier, less contentious and just plain nicer.

E-mailing that clown is useless and not worth the effort. He'll only post whatever I write on his talk page so lashing out will certainly do no good. I like to think that I am above such behavior. I won't lash out at you either, but I am bitterly and miserably disappointed in the outcome of this matter because of your decision.

I've e-mailed Jimmy Wales with a request for de-sysopping and deletion of my history. I'm glad to have contributed the articles and hope that they are of help, but I'd rather just disappear from this point forward. Angela Beesley and Danny Wool have expressed support but I haven't heard from either person regarding their decision...which at this point really doesn't matter to me.

Thanks for your time. Feel free to drop me an e-mail at any time.

Sincerely yours,
Ralph Squillace

A few months later he emailed Jimmy offering to return to Wikipedia in exchange for certain concessions from Wikipedia, mostly related to his ability to wage unrestricted warfare against Brainhell. He was told that he could have his tin badge back but not any of the "special concessions" he wanted; I don't recall whether he accepted that offer at the time, or came back later.

Seems like really high quality Wikipedia material.

[Rick]

Well, the voting is over!

I wonder who will win? I really hope Tyler doesn't win...

[Theanima]

Well, the voting is over!

I wonder who will win? I really hope Tyler doesn't win...

You don't say... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[The Adversary]

MuZemike has also barely been a user for two years, and hasn't even been an admin for one year.

<snip>... he gets a potshot taken at him of being "an example of one clear Arabist, Islamist biased administrator” by an anonymous blog. I doubt it but it might be an interesting balance ... likes wrestling and Wii so I would say has all the right skills.

Yeah, well....FYI:that same anonymous blogger has me up as a Palestinian-Arab in Europe, part of the the "aggressive ‘Radical Arab-Islamic Lobby’ on wikipedia"

Charming blog. Let me guess....another angry Zionist editor offended at any attempt to make WP "neutral". With an angry blog that nobody reads.

Yeah, well, I´m just consuming my favorite wine (German Riesling), celebrating that I´ve become part of the "aggressive ‘Radical Arab-Islamic Lobby’ on wikipedia"

Yours truly, Hussam Osama Bin Riesling (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Rick]

And another question: how many users will win?

[CharlotteWebb]

And another question: how many users will win?

0.

[Rick]

And another question: how many users will win?

0.

What do you mean, zero will win? Are you saying that this election was just a prank?

[Alison]

And another question: how many users will win?

0.

What do you mean, zero will win? Are you saying that this election was just a prank?

I think what Charlotte is saying is that they're all basically losers, whether they win or not. Given that Oversight is the Wikipedia equivalent of cleaning toilets, there's a certain truth to that (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif) You get to see the real dregs ...

[jayvdb]

And another question: how many users will win?

0.

What do you mean, zero will win? Are you saying that this election was just a prank?

I think CharlotteWebb means that the appointed do not 'win' anything.

If they do their job well, it is a difficult service to English Wikipedia and the subjects, and they will usually receive more abuse than thanks for this service.
If they do their job poorly, there are many people who are adversely affected.

[Kelly Martin]

If they do their job well, it is a difficult service to English Wikipedia and the subjects, and they will usually receive more abuse than thanks for this service.

And will eventually be driven out when 'doing their job well' conflicts with the interests of one or more powerbroker within Wikipedia. An eventuality which is virtually guaranteed.

[Moulton]

The only way to win is to not play the game.

[jayvdb]

If they do their job well, it is a difficult service to English Wikipedia and the subjects, and they will usually receive more abuse than thanks for this service.

And will eventually be driven out when 'doing their job well' conflicts with the interests of one or more powerbroker within Wikipedia. An eventuality which is virtually guaranteed.

Virtual guarantees are not worth the paper they are written on.

[Moulton]

I read that as a scientific prediction, grounded in a well-tested model that extrapolates from past experiences.

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[CharlotteWebb]

What do you mean, zero will win? Are you saying that this election was just a prank?

I think CharlotteWebb means that the appointed do not 'win' anything.

That's a few bits too narrow, no pun intended. You'll notice Rick asked how many users will win, not how many candidates.

Virtual guarantees are not worth the paper they are written on.

You mean the paper they are not written on, fail.

[jayvdb]

What do you mean, zero will win? Are you saying that this election was just a prank?

I think CharlotteWebb means that the appointed do not 'win' anything.

That's a few bits too narrow, no pun intended. You'll notice Rick asked how many users will win, not how many candidates.

Virtual guarantees are not worth the paper they are written on.

You mean the paper they are not written on, fail.

Do I need to add "pun intended" for you to get it?

[CharlotteWebb]

Do I need to add "pun intended" for you to get it?

It was more than a malapropism, but less than a malamanteau. Yet I'd hesitate to call it a pun.

[Rick]

That's a few bits too narrow, no pun intended. You'll notice Rick asked how many users will win, not how many candidates.

Okay, I'll rephrase it: how many candidates will get the tools?

[GlassBeadGame]

That's a few bits too narrow, no pun intended. You'll notice Rick asked how many users will win, not how many candidates.

Okay, I'll rephrase it: how many candidates will get the tools?

How many candidates are tools?

[CharlotteWebb]

Okay, I'll rephrase it: how many candidates will get the tools?

Well the top of the page says "for this election the Committee will likely take up to 4 Checkusers, and 6 Oversighters from the vetted candidates".

Thus unless they cut back on that estimate the best-case scenario could be "all entrants except Ryan Postaltwate and someguy nobody's heard of". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

I suppose you could contact arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org for clarification on this matter, but don't hold your breath for a response.

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[Jon Awbrey]

That's a few bits too narrow, no pun intended. You'll notice Rick asked how many users will win, not how many candidates.

Okay, I'll rephrase it: how many candidates will get the tools?

How many candidates are tools?

And in the end
The tools you get
Are equal to
The tools you are.

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Rick]

Okay, I'll rephrase it: how many candidates will get the tools?

Well the top of the page says "for this election the Committee will likely take up to 4 Checkusers, and 6 Oversighters from the vetted candidates".

Thus unless they cut back on that estimate the best-case scenario could be "all entrants except Ryan Postaltwate and someguy nobody's heard of". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

I suppose you could contact arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org for clarification on this matter, but don't hold your breath for a response.

So does this mean the CheckUser part of it was redundant? That all four CheckUser candidates will automatically get the tools? Man, that Tiptoety is such a sneaky character...

[CharlotteWebb]

So does this mean the CheckUser part of it was redundant? That all four CheckUser candidates will automatically get the tools? Man, that Tiptoety is such a sneaky character...

Don't start me lying. It probably depends on what kind of mood they committee is in, but I feel your pain.

Now, if only there were a square to vote "none of the above", i.e. leave this position unfilled.

Some school-house schlock for ye...


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[Draim]

So does this mean the CheckUser part of it was redundant? That all four CheckUser candidates will automatically get the tools? Man, that Tiptoety is such a sneaky character...

Like CharlotteWebb said in the end it's up to how many the committee wants to appoint after seeing results but they've stated that they would have to get at least the 70% that the meta checkuser policy says is needed for a local election to Checkuser. In theory I'm not sure they NEED that because the arbcom appointment is a different method then normal local election but I doubt they would appoint someone who didn't get it. So that is likely to be the cut off (says the guy most likely to get under it).

Edit: I am liking the video though... hadn't seen that one before for some reason.

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