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I just put this on Katefan0's Talk page:

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I request that you identify yourself on your user page as (name redacted), employed as a reporter by Congressional Quarterly and accredited through them by the Senate Press Gallery. I also request that you provide a current photo on your user page. I believe that your failure to identify yourself violates the spirit of journalistic ethics. Administrators should not be anonymous on Wikipedia in light of their power to shape content. --Daniel Brandt

Half an hour later: My comment is gone, no trace in history, page is protected. Golly, if I can't send her a message this way, should I send it to her editor at Congressional Quarterly? What do you think I should do?
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Katefan0 might have been the best editor/admin WP ever had but the main point it this...

If she edited political members such as any current serving Congressional Member she did so by using information she has gotten as a Seante Gallery Journalist. I view that as a high ethical question. If you don't then you have issues to think about.

When she made edits to remove the KKK connection on a certain Congressional Member to read ex(?)KKK connections that clearly shows bad faith as a journalist when she knows that the fact is that this member of congress was part of the KKK at one time. Trying to make this congressional member look better on WP ruin's its encyclopedia veiw because in Brittanica it states without any reservations that this member of Congress was connected to the KKK but renounced his association.

Now is that right for her to show a POV in favour of this Congressional Member? Is that ethical of her as a Senate Gallery Journalist? NO its not.
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QUOTE(sgrayban @ Fri 26th May 2006, 4:32pm) *
Katefan0 might have been the best editor/admin WP ever had but the main point it this...

If she edited political members such as any current serving Congressional Member she did so by using information she has gotten as a Seante Gallery Journalist. I view that as a high ethical question. If you don't then you have issues to think about.

The function of a journalist is to get information out. I can't see anything wrong with a journalist editing WP using information they have gained as part of their job. It's not like they are breaching national security or anything. They are expected to gain information from Congress and publish it.

The ethical question is that maybe she should have identified herself as a political journalist on WP, but I really cannot view this as any great sin. We're not the police or the AJA or the CQ - why on earth should we care?
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QUOTE(Skyring @ Thu 25th May 2006, 11:40pm) *

QUOTE(sgrayban @ Fri 26th May 2006, 4:32pm) *
(name redacted) might have been the best editor/admin WP ever had but the main point it this...

If she edited political members such as any current serving Congressional Member she did so by using information she has gotten as a Seante Gallery Journalist. I view that as a high ethical question. If you don't then you have issues to think about.

The function of a journalist is to get information out. I can't see anything wrong with a journalist editing WP using information they have gained as part of their job. It's not like they are breaching national security or anything. They are expected to gain information from Congress and publish it.

The ethical question is that maybe she should have identified herself as a political journalist on WP, but I really cannot view this as any great sin. We're not the police or the AJA or the CQ - why on earth should we care?


Do you know for a fact she didn't edit and add anything that was a national security issue ? I can't but that is the point. We have NO clue what she added or deleted was ethical or not.

ITS BAD FAITH so stop being WP:DICK's about it. She edited without fully disclosing who she was and what her job entailed. She edited MANY congressional leaders articles.

Personally I have a mind to find each congressional members article she ever edited on and calling there offices in Washington and informing them of the Journalist edits done on them without her disclosing her identify on WP and her direct connection to the Senate Gallery Press Office. That will certainly light a fire under someone's ass there and demand a answer from her and her employer. Not to mention in her position not asking permission to edit any of them.
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