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[Doc glasgow]

Creating 40 articles in six years?

http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/inde...cts=noredirects

Really, that's considered prolific?

Creating 40 articles is not necessarily anything at all. Many users create hundreds of useless stubs in a month.

Completing 9 FAs is another story. Have you ever tried to write a FA? I have, and it takes hundreds of hours.

Altruistic?

Who knows? But it isn't social-networking.

Actually, how many people who produce books, or do academic research, do it out of "altruism". Most are paid. Altruism is a somewhat overrated motive for anything useful.

[chrisoff]

What are the nine FAs? Any in the last three or four years?

Anything important in the last three or four years, content wise? Or otherwise?

The old tymers rule and it will be the ruin of wikipedia. Defending the past at the expense of the future.

Mostly Bishonen defends the status quo of the few articles she has an investment in from the "olden days". Remember when she refused to add citations to her articles and others did it for her? Poor baby. Waaaaaaaa

[RMHED]

Creating 40 articles in six years?

http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/inde...cts=noredirects

Really, that's considered prolific?

Creating 40 articles is not necessarily anything at all. Many users create hundreds of useless stubs in a month.

Completing 9 FAs is another story. Have you ever tried to write a FA? I have, and it takes hundreds of hours.

Altruistic?

Who knows? But it isn't social-networking.

Actually, how many people who produce books, or do academic research, do it out of "altruism". Most are paid. Altruism is a somewhat overrated motive for anything useful.

Between "of" and "hours" you seem to have missed out the word 'wasted'. Giano and Bishonen are both pillocks helping to indirectly line Jimmy's pockets with cash.

[Doc glasgow]

What are the nine FAs? Any in the last three or four years?

Anything important in the last three or four years, content wise? Or otherwise?

The old tymers rule and it will be the ruin of wikipedia. Defending the past at the expense of the future.

Mostly Bishonen defends the status quo of the few articles she has an investment in from the "olden days". Remember when she refused to add citations to her articles and others did it for her? Poor baby. Waaaaaaaa

Do your research - or you end up looking really silly. Try this from 2009, there may be more, but I am not your personal researcher.

[Malleus]

Bishonen has Bishzilla

Little Stupid

Bishapod

Bish and chips

Barwinish

At least.

That's off the top of my head. Probably has a half a million more.

So Ellen of the Roads feeds into all this? And other Arbs also?

Wonderful.

Scandalous aint it.

Anyone would think Wikipedia was a social networking website, when of course in reality it's a valuable educational resource that exists solely to promote knowledge.

Ironically, if you want to scream at the social networkers on Wikipedia, you are screaming at the wrong people.

Giano and Bishonen are strong content contributors. Their sock-puppets have more in common with with in-house office humour than with social networking. There are plenty people who are about Wikipedia for social networking - but that's the crowd who create only little articles, maybe a DYK and then spend their time inventing new barnstars or signing up for 400 useless wikiprojects - or those who hang out on ANI looking for drama. Sure, Bishonen and Giano do a bit of useless (and sometimes childish) pissing about (who doesn't?), but they also put in many long lonely hours on FAs. You can criticise that, but it isn't done for cheap and quick attention.

It's all a form of egoism. You don't seriously believe it's altruistic do you?

I do, but obviously YMVM.

[chrisoff]

Bullshit.

Part of the FAC cabal, if Tony1 copy edits it, the article will pass.

Part of the the privileges accorded the the few.

Jimbo has encouraged this protected culture, where some get the royal treatment and others get destroyed.

Is this a real article review?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fea...s/Harriet_Bosse

I would say tender handling because the editor is part of the club. Would any FAC be handled this way today?

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Fri 29th April 2011, 12:28am

[Malleus]

Bullshit.

Part of the FAC cabal, if Tony1 copy edits it, the article will pass.

That is indeed bullshit. I can't remember the last time that Tony1 copyedited any article. His current focus is on The Signpost.

[Doc glasgow]

Bullshit.

Part of the FAC cabal, if Tony1 copy edits it, the article will pass.

That is indeed bullshit. I can't remember the last time that Tony1 copyedited any article. His current focus is on The Signpost.

Chrisoff is no longer worth replying to. He's just spinning derogatory stories, not offering any commentary on real facts. Everything he's said so far has simply been based on stuff he's made up.

[chrisoff]

Part of the FAC cabal, if Tony1 copy edits it, the article will pass.

That is indeed bullshit. I can't remember the last time that Tony1 copyedited any article. His current focus is on The Signpost.

Can't remember the last time Bishonen aka Bishzilla, Bishapod, Maxypode, Ka of Catherine de Burgh, Darwishbish, Darwinfish, Little Stupid, Baby Stupid etc. etc. had an FA either. Same thing. Reproducing you college papers and writing articles for today's FA criteria are two different things.

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Fri 29th April 2011, 12:19pm

[Doc glasgow]

Part of the FAC cabal, if Tony1 copy edits it, the article will pass.

That is indeed bullshit. I can't remember the last time that Tony1 copyedited any article. His current focus is on The Signpost.

Can't remember the last time Bishonen aka Bishzilla, Bishapod, Maxypode, Ka of Catherine de Burgh, Darwishbish, Darwinfish, Little Stupid, Baby Stupid etc. etc. had an FA either. Same thing. Reproducing you college papers and writing articles for today's FA criteria are two different things.

What you can or can't remember is hardly here or there, since every assertion you've made so far has been false and inaccurate or downright untruthful.

[chrisoff]

The sockpuppets of Bishonen are true. She has admitted to them one place or another.

Just never in one place. But check them out! Look them up!

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Fri 29th April 2011, 2:20pm

[Doc glasgow]

The sockpuppets of Bishonen are true. She has admitted to them one place or another.

Just never in one place. But check them out! Look them up!

That's the only true bit, and it isn't news. Everyone knows it. So what?

[chrisoff]

When you say "everyone knows it", you are showing the divide between the "old tymies" and newer editors.

This is why wikipedia will rot. Newer editors aren't part of the in group who all protect each other and drive away new editors.

Look at what Giano, GianoII, Giano Returned et al routinely get away with.

Wikipedia is becoming a social space for you guys and will never grow and attract new blood.

It's hopeless.

[Doc glasgow]

When you say "everyone knows it", you are showing the divide between the "old tymies" and newer editors.

This is why wikipedia will rot. Newer editors aren't part of the in group who all protect each other and drive away new editors.

Look at what Giano, GianoII, Giano Returned et al routinely get away with.

Wikipedia is becoming a social space for you guys and will never grow and attract new blood.

It's hopeless.

Rubbish.

Wikipedia may well crumble (and may deserve to). But your analysis is just made up to attack Giano.

That Giano has a ridiculous sockpuppet and that some of our content contributors engage in light-hearted buffoonery may be immature but it is not new, and is certainly not the reason that contributors are falling off. There's no connection. One might as well assert that it is humourless conformity that drives people away and that Giano's silliness is the only reason anyone stays. That assertion would be no less absurd.

Any group will have insiders - indeed a level of increasing relationships is one of the things that retains people who might otherwise have bored with the project itself a lot earlier.

If there's an insider mentality that discourages new users, it isn't the humour and joking about, it is the opposite. It is the tendency for the ingroup to demand more conformity to ever expanding and complex norms - and the expectation that new users will master rules and jargon before they can operate. (What Wikipedian in theory resist as "WP:CREEP|instruction creep". People will get a silly joke about a dinosaur a lot quicker than they will master the intricacies of the manual of style or the template bloat of the deletion process.

[chrisoff]

Have you read the thread? I am complaining about the numerous sockpuppets "old tymers" have the "everybody already knows about" according to Theanima.

A sockpupped I had accredited to Bishonen Theanima said above "Um, Katherine is Giano... I thought everyone knew that."

So I complained the Arbs, like Elen of the Roads feed into this stupidity regularly, by responding the the Lady Ka of Catherine de Burgh crap on Bishonen's talk page

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=426623491 (Read the whole stupid page, and Elen of Road's stupid posts.)

My complaint the Arbcom encourages this, fosters it, while pretending to be a rule-enforcing body.

Two-faced buggers on Arbcon and the "old tymers" are why wikipedia will rot.

Elen of the Roads is among the worst, dear friend of sockpuppets.

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Sat 30th April 2011, 12:53pm

[mauve]

It's contained to a few ("chosen") user talk pages, isn't it? When there are so many valid complaints to be made about Wikipedia, this comes off as inane. I can certainly think of users whose actions are far more detrimental to whatever community is left.

[chrisoff]

Elen of the Roads is an Arb.

Do you think she will recuse/disqualify herself if any of Giano related stuff (personal attacks, incivility, sockpuppets) including his relationship with Bishonen (and sockpuppets that may be hers or may be his) comes up?

Actually, the backs of Giano and Bishonen were broken when Geogre's massive sock operation was discovered, and he was eventually desyoped by Arbcom (before Elen of the Roads' time as she surely would have prevented it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre

The evidence was so massive that although Arbcom tried to ignore it, in the end they couldn't and slapped his hand by saying he could no longer use socks.

He hasn't edited since (under that name), as he felt entitled to his sock operation and didn't see that he had violated policy. Geogre was not blocked for socking. Just his socks were blocked. That probably wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been the massive and blatant use of socks to harm others, to protect his friends (Giano, Bishonen et al.) and get his way.

He was treated with kid gloves although his humongous sock activities were used to vote stack and other good hand/ bad hand activities.

One of his socks provided massive evidence to Arbcom and got a known admin desyopped.

Considering the high esteem in which he was held, this is a very telling blind spot in the vision of the "old tymers" - that he was not blocked for socking. It's only the new editors who should be blocked.

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Sun 1st May 2011, 12:22am

[chrisoff]

Gee, it's getting close to the two year anniversary of Geogre's "leaving".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre

Ahhhh!

Addendum: I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Utgard_Loki was one of the sock puppets.

Look at their contributions! How intertwined they are with Giano et al. And with Bishonen!

So Bishonen clearly knew Geogre was using sock puppets.

And Elen of the Roads (and Risker) thought that was ok.

This post has been edited by chrisoff: Sun 1st May 2011, 12:50am

[Newyorkbrad]

Gee, it's getting close to the two year anniversary of Geogre's "leaving".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre

Ahhhh!

Addendum: I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Utgard_Loki was one of the sock puppets.

Yes, Geogre was desysopped for also editing as Utgard Loki. (I strongly opposed the desysopping, which I thought was a huge overreaction under the circumstances, but the majority ruled.) Perhaps in response to that decision, Geogre stopped editing completely, which is regrettable. Your bringing up his name and grave-dancing two years later is disgusting.

[tarantino]

Geogre stopped editing completely, which is regrettable.

He's better off now.

Did you ever ask Ann why she condoned Geogre's deception?