What are the worst things about WP?, Too many to mention, but try anyway ... Options

[communicat]

IMHO there are three things that compete for top position in this category.

1) The WP notion that "anyone can edit". Total nonsense. Editing, in the proper sense of the word, requires considerable skill, experience, and a dedication to accuracy and lucidity -- which are notably absent at a majority of WP articles "edited" by self-styled "editors".

2) The manner and method whereby editing histories can be deleted and/or falsified and/or manipulated, i.e. made to disappear without trace, without anyone ever knowing who did it.

3) The deletion of accurate information which is then replaced with inaccurate or misleading information; and when you complain too loudly, you're then blocked for "disruption".

[gomi]

Criticisms of Wikipedia (Jan 1, 2008)

[GlassBeadGame]

Wikipedians.

[thekohser]

Senior management abides by the Peter Principle.

[communicat]

Criticisms of Wikipedia (Jan 1, 2008)

There's also a very insightful, in-depth critical analyis of WP "methodology" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ed_Fitzgerald/thoughts

[Ottava]

Anonymous people who complain about Wikipedia.

Anonymous people who edit Wikipedia.

Arbitrators who have no background experience in writing or knowing how to write an encyclopedia.

[Milton Roe]

Criticisms of Wikipedia (Jan 1, 2008)

There's also a very insightful, in-depth critical analyis of WP "methodology" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ed_Fitzgerald/thoughts

The wreck of Edmund Fitzgerald.

This stuff is now found at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken/thoughts

[gomi]

Criticisms of Wikipedia (Jan 1, 2008)

There's also a very insightful, in-depth critical analyis of WP "methodology" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ed_Fitzgerald/thoughts

The wreck of Edmund Fitzgerald. This stuff is now found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken/thoughts

Some interesting insights sprinkled about, but mostly tl;dr.

[Vigilant]

Anonymous people who complain about Wikipedia.

Anonymous people who edit Wikipedia.

Arbitrators who have no background experience in writing or knowing how to write an encyclopedia.

People who are dicks to everyone, all the time.

Self important pinheads with narrow scopes of sub-competence who insist on trying to be experts in fields to which they are genetically poorly fit.

People who insist that the sheer volume of edits to subjects almost nobody cares about entitles them to proudly display the above two personality disorders

[communicat]

Anonymous people who complain about Wikipedia.

Anonymous people who edit Wikipedia.

Arbitrators who have no background experience in writing or knowing how to write an encyclopedia.

People who are dicks to everyone, all the time.

Self important pinheads with narrow scopes of sub-competence who insist on trying to be experts in fields to which they are genetically poorly fit.

People who insist that the sheer volume of edits to subjects almost nobody cares about entitles them to proudly display the above two personality disorders

That's because WP is ego-driven, not value-driven.

[Vigilant]

Anonymous people who complain about Wikipedia.

Anonymous people who edit Wikipedia.

Arbitrators who have no background experience in writing or knowing how to write an encyclopedia.

People who are dicks to everyone, all the time.

Self important pinheads with narrow scopes of sub-competence who insist on trying to be experts in fields to which they are genetically poorly fit.

People who insist that the sheer volume of edits to subjects almost nobody cares about entitles them to proudly display the above two personality disorders

That's because WP is ego-driven, not value-driven.

I was talking about Jeffrey Peters, specifically.

[GlassBeadGame]

Anonymous people who complain about Wikipedia.

Anonymous people who edit Wikipedia.

Arbitrators who have no background experience in writing or knowing how to write an encyclopedia.

People who are dicks to everyone, all the time.

Self important pinheads with narrow scopes of sub-competence who insist on trying to be experts in fields to which they are genetically poorly fit.

People who insist that the sheer volume of edits to subjects almost nobody cares about entitles them to proudly display the above two personality disorders

That's because WP is ego-driven, not value-driven.

I was talking about Jeffrey Peters, specifically.

Well played Mr. V. Given Ottava's first of the nested quotes above any request for redaction will certainly look silly.

[Ottava]

Well played Mr. V. Given Ottava's first of the nested quotes above any request for redaction will certainly look silly.

A little strange, because I asked for a long time for redactions and was told by you and others no. SB Johnny used my name quite often, as did the above stalker.

Funny how you then try to attack me on a ground like that, showing that you are willing to just make up things.

By the way, GBG, what is your real name? You want to make a comment about me, then why don't you provide your name for everyone?

[GlassBeadGame]

Well played Mr. V. Given Ottava's first of the nested quotes above any request for redaction will certainly look silly.

A little strange, because I asked for a long time for redactions and was told by you and others no. SB Johnny used my name quite often, as did the above stalker.

Funny how you then try to attack me on a ground like that, showing that you are willing to just make up things.

By the way, GBG, what is your real name? You want to make a comment about me, then why don't you provide your name for everyone?

I pinky swear I'm not going to engage you further...after this post...because you just make it too easy. So let's get this straight. You just hate it when anybody acts as an anon to either edit Wikipedia or even criticize Wikipedia. But you use a pseudonym to do both. When this pseudonym is linked to your real name you demand redaction. It is the request, which you admit making, that make you look ridiculous and hypocritical. The refusal to grant it just makes you look powerless and ineffective. You just seem to not like it when some people manage their privacy better than you.

Mr. V is doubtlessly "trolling" you. Calling him a "stalker" pretty much yields the day to him. He just out maneuvered you, which I grudgingly admire.

[Vigilant]

Well played Mr. V. Given Ottava's first of the nested quotes above any request for redaction will certainly look silly.

A little strange, because I asked for a long time for redactions and was told by you and others no. SB Johnny used my name quite often, as did the above stalker.

Funny how you then try to attack me on a ground like that, showing that you are willing to just make up things.

By the way, GBG, what is your real name? You want to make a comment about me, then why don't you provide your name for everyone?

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikime...oundation/46582

For the link averse:

"On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters
<17peters <at> cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
> Austin,
>
> Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Gerard's
> call for political activism against that organization is completely
> unacceptable and harms projects like my own that have to deal with large
> institutions and the rest.
>
> If you want to claim that I should be moderated, then push that fringe
> political view as you just did, then there is something very wrong here.
> Your statements about the legality have been 100% wrong, to an embarrassing
> extent. These two combined represent a very major problem.
>
> The Foundation-l is for Foundation discussion, and not for pushing fringe
> views that would embarrass our projects. You do realize that, right?
> Moderators serve only as long as they enforce that, and are you going to
> demonstrate in the above that you will be doing 100% opposite of your job?
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Peters
> aka Ottava Rima
>"

You identified yourself on a public mailing list. The cat is out of the bag.

Had you not had such a raging hate boner for anyone who opposed even the slightest of your whims when you were the "top organizer of Wikiversity" and had you not had a similar erectile response regarding waving your e-peen around about your "qualifications" then you would not, now, find yourself in this predicament.

However, that is water under the bridge and you are incontrovertibly outed by your own hand.

Please try to find the sand to deal with your own internally generated difficulties.

The less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice.
--Clint Eastwood

[Ottava]

I pinky swear I'm not going to engage you further...after this post...because you just make it too easy. So let's get this straight. You just hate it when anybody acts as an anon to either edit Wikipedia or even criticize Wikipedia. But you use a pseudonym to do both. When this pseudonym is linked to your real name you demand redaction.

There is a difference between being anonymous and not wanting my full name posted by people who are posting it solely to try and harass.

Do you refer to thekohser as thekohser or Greg? Furthermore, there are various levels of personal information that are beyond a name.

And here is the thing: if you want to use my name, don't be a coward and hide behind a fake identity. It is that simple. If you are unwilling to put your name out there you have no right to use mine.

He just out maneuvered you, which I grudgingly admire.

I have him on ignore because I don't care. However, -you- made a post and I can't ignore you because of your status. That is something frustrating which I have asked Somey time after time to fix.

This post has been edited by Ottava: Wed 28th September 2011, 5:56pm

[Vigilant]

I pinky swear I'm not going to engage you further...after this post...because you just make it too easy. So let's get this straight. You just hate it when anybody acts as an anon to either edit Wikipedia or even criticize Wikipedia. But you use a pseudonym to do both. When this pseudonym is linked to your real name you demand redaction.

There is a difference between being anonymous and not wanting my full name posted by people who are posting it solely to try and harass.

Do you refer to thekohser as thekohser or Greg? Furthermore, there are various levels of personal information that are beyond a name.

And here is the thing: if you want to use my name, don't be a coward and hide behind a fake identity. It is that simple. If you are unwilling to put your name out there you have no right to use mine.

He just out maneuvered you, which I grudgingly admire.

I have him on ignore because I don't care. However, -you- made a post and I can't ignore you because of your status. That is something frustrating which I have asked Somey time after time to fix.

You have me on ignore, yet sometimes answer me directly, because I keep knocking the stuffing out of you in the conversation.

You are the classic bully who prefers to argue with those who won't fight back.
You are the classic bully in that you appeal to the crowd while being a dick.
You are the classic bully that harangues the victim forever and then decries the situation when someone else subjects them to anything similar.

You have spent the last 4-5 years editing Wikipedia and trying to gain ephemeral power only to find out that very nearly everyone there can't stand to work with you.
You are BANNED from multiple projects.
If you search through Wikipedia with Everything enable for "Ottava Rima" and just hit the appearances at ANI, you quickly put together the profile of a smug, insecure bully.

Wear your Columbian necktie with pride.

[The Joy]

I pinky swear I'm not going to engage you further...after this post...because you just make it too easy. So let's get this straight. You just hate it when anybody acts as an anon to either edit Wikipedia or even criticize Wikipedia. But you use a pseudonym to do both. When this pseudonym is linked to your real name you demand redaction.

There is a difference between being anonymous and not wanting my full name posted by people who are posting it solely to try and harass.

Do you refer to thekohser as thekohser or Greg? Furthermore, there are various levels of personal information that are beyond a name.

And here is the thing: if you want to use my name, don't be a coward and hide behind a fake identity. It is that simple. If you are unwilling to put your name out there you have no right to use mine.

He just out maneuvered you, which I grudgingly admire.

I have him on ignore because I don't care. However, -you- made a post and I can't ignore you because of your status. That is something frustrating which I have asked Somey time after time to fix.

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=29188

[EricBarbour]

Plus,

[Ottava]

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=29188

It has been discussed before - GBG's Moderator status makes him unable to be ignore. I have complained to Somey about that.

Just to humor you, I tried again and it wouldn't work. So it hasn't been fixed. I stated that was the case in the post you respond to, so please just read what I say instead of doing things like that.