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post Sat 25th August 2012, 6:44pm
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Sue Gardner opens her mouth but doesn't know what she is talking about.

Todd Akin went off a doctor's claim that less than .1% of rape victims get pregnant and declared pregnancy after rape to be "rare." I've showed that the only study contradicting that to be bunk because they did not apply a proper control group nor try to see if their results were logical.


But there is something even more basic.

The study saying 5% of rape victims become pregnant only has rape victims that had semen left inside of them (not that common, actually, as many rapes are not finished, or have full ejaculation) and there was no birth control used before, during, or after. Furthermore, they only accounted for "fertile" women, and there are rapes of post-menopausal and those too young to get pregnant.

Thus, the "5% claim" doesn't actually contradict the less than .1% of all rapes. She is wading into a major topic whose title suggests Todd Akin raped someone and is spouting off stuff she really doesn't know. She should have known better.



Bonus: The Executive of the WMF doesn't know that "I disagree with him politically" is not a legitimate keep rationale.

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post Sat 25th August 2012, 8:43pm
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There is an interesting statement in an article Ms. Gardner is pushing (but didn't read): "In A Natural History of Rape, Randy Thornhill disputed Holmes' statistics based on DNA findings by Holly A. Hammond,[16] which found that 60% of women who became pregnant after rape were impregnated by a consensual mate.[8]"

As I showed before, the numbers were way off. If the above is true, the 60% of the 5% lowers it down to a mere 2%.


Why does this matter? Because there is no real answer and that page has majorly contradicting information. Ms. Gardner is making really strong statements while the actual numbers don't back that up.


The page has other problems that those like Ms. Gardner introduced. There are many lines like this: "Journalist Blythe Bernhard stated, "That article has influenced two generations of anti-abortion activists with the hope to build a medical case to ban all abortions without any exception."[45]" There is a clear mixture based on whoever gets to control the page. Then there are doozies like this: "Several U.S. Republicans have advanced claims about the rarity of pregnancy from rape." It ignores that a third of Democrats are pro-life, and that there are a substantial number of pro-life Democrats who have said similar things.

Why make such edits unless you are pushing a POV? There is a huge difference between merely "not allowed an exception" and having a major moral problem with any exceptions. This is also not a minor edit.

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How much is she paid by the Foundation?
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QUOTE(TheKartingWikipedian @ Sat 25th August 2012, 4:44pm) *

How much is she paid by the Foundation?



That wouldn't give you a true figure. There are probably substantial benefits such as paid expenses, trips, etc., in addition to the "speaking fees" that she could easily charge. The real question is, how much does she report to the IRS, and how Wikimedia can justify her making clearly political statements in violation of multiple policies, including the Foundation mandated BLP policy.
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 25th August 2012, 9:46pm) *

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How much is she paid by the Foundation?



That wouldn't give you a true figure. There are probably substantial benefits such as paid expenses, trips, etc., in addition to the "speaking fees" that she could easily charge. The real question is, how much does she report to the IRS, and how Wikimedia can justify her making clearly political statements in violation of multiple policies, including the Foundation mandated BLP policy.


Yes, but what's her salary? I just want to know 'cos I'm a nosey bastard. Whatever it is, I bet she isn't worth it.
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QUOTE(TheKartingWikipedian @ Sat 25th August 2012, 4:50pm) *

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QUOTE(TheKartingWikipedian @ Sat 25th August 2012, 4:44pm) *

How much is she paid by the Foundation?



That wouldn't give you a true figure. There are probably substantial benefits such as paid expenses, trips, etc., in addition to the "speaking fees" that she could easily charge. The real question is, how much does she report to the IRS, and how Wikimedia can justify her making clearly political statements in violation of multiple policies, including the Foundation mandated BLP policy.


Yes, but what's her salary? I just want to know 'cos I'm a nosey bastard. Whatever it is, I bet she isn't worth it.



In 2010, it was 168,700.
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You are fucking joking, aren't you?

I'm dumbfounded. Anyone who donates to Wikipedia (and I'm glad I never have done) is a bloody jackass.

Now I'll go and read what she has to say about rape - it'll be bollocks, no doubt.
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post Mon 27th August 2012, 3:16am
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JoshuaZ doesn't want Ms. Gardner's ignorance to be the most objectionable, so he valiantly jumped in with this doozy:

"The article title isn't controversial or offensive. He made comments about rape and pregnancy. Any cursory reading with minimal reading comprehension can see that's what it is. BLP doesn't require us to presume that readers are absolute idiots. And even if one thinks there's a BLP problem with the title it is easy to change that to something like "Todd Akin comments about rape and pregnancy controversy" so this isn't a relevant argument for the AfD. JoshuaZ (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)"

So having an article called "Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy" does not suggest he raped and got someone pregnant? The article isn't "Todd Akin comments controversy" or even "Todd Akin's comments about rape and pregnancy controversy."

Why is JoshuaZ not immediately blocked for such a BLP violation and gross-disruption?



By the way, The similar page on an Obama controversy gets a generic title "2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech." This was then renamed to "You didn't build that," which, at least, is a quote. At no time was the page "Barack Obama denying businesses credit controversy" or something similar.

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I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.

Wikipedia, for me represets the symbol of Violance, Moral Depravity and Lies, and is chock full of the most repugnet, despicable, moraly bankruped, criminality inclined individuals, this side of satan's hell.
or a super max prison.

Wikipeida , as it is now, IMHO is a Criminal enterprise, run by those who only care about Money, power and megalomania.

IF i could, I would throw all wikipediots in prison as enemies of humanity.

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QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 27th August 2012, 10:59am) *

I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.


Anyone that compares the antics on a website of nerds to the rape and violation of another human being needs to get ahold of their priorities in life.

Check yourself, JoJo.
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 29th August 2012, 12:02pm) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 27th August 2012, 10:59am) *

I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.


Anyone that compares the antics on a website of nerds to the rape and violation of another human being needs to get ahold of their priorities in life.

Check yourself, JoJo.


Agreed. When the purge took place, most of the cussing, nastiness, and hyperbole shifted over to that other place. It should stay over there. We need to focus on the subject without such distractions.
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 29th August 2012, 3:36pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 29th August 2012, 12:02pm) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 27th August 2012, 10:59am) *

I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.


Anyone that compares the antics on a website of nerds to the rape and violation of another human being needs to get ahold of their priorities in life.

Check yourself, JoJo.


Agreed. When the purge took place, most of the cussing, nastiness, and hyperbole shifted over to that other place. It should stay over there. We need to focus on the subject without such distractions.



Rape of ideas, education, the destruction of truth and the elevation of mob think to universal truth.

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QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Fri 31st August 2012, 4:01am) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 29th August 2012, 3:36pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 29th August 2012, 12:02pm) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 27th August 2012, 10:59am) *

I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.


Anyone that compares the antics on a website of nerds to the rape and violation of another human being needs to get ahold of their priorities in life.

Check yourself, JoJo.


Agreed. When the purge took place, most of the cussing, nastiness, and hyperbole shifted over to that other place. It should stay over there. We need to focus on the subject without such distractions.



Rape of ideas, education, the destruction of truth and the elevation of mob think to universal truth.


Do you ever tire of being an ignorant dickmitten?
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sat 1st September 2012, 12:14am) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Fri 31st August 2012, 4:01am) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 29th August 2012, 3:36pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 29th August 2012, 12:02pm) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 27th August 2012, 10:59am) *

I make the contention that Sweet Sue's Wikipeidia is this large, Frankinstein of a monster, who is raping and and doing rape and violence to the body politic of the internet.


Anyone that compares the antics on a website of nerds to the rape and violation of another human being needs to get ahold of their priorities in life.

Check yourself, JoJo.


Agreed. When the purge took place, most of the cussing, nastiness, and hyperbole shifted over to that other place. It should stay over there. We need to focus on the subject without such distractions.



Rape of ideas, education, the destruction of truth and the elevation of mob think to universal truth.


Do you ever tire of being an ignorant dickmitten?


Also I had filed a report about Tarc Meridian (Jason A. (Jay) Herlihy)from Hingham High School with my local police due to the fact that he cyber stalking me.

As far as Goethean AKA Scott Zimmerle is about in his mid 30's and is ethnic German and is nuts.

Scott stalks me on a regular basis, since He lives about 3 mils from my house and drive by my house all the time.

Considering what he writes, he's a rather scary guy. I have warned the local police about him.

Also, since I'm very active and well known in local politics, Scott enjoys almost no creditably in real life in the local political scene. He writes the local politicians all the time and they know him well and have a good laugh at Scott's expense.

Scott, seems to be caught up in this new age stuff, India, and the all guru thing. There is a web site that talks a little about this, located here

Right now Scott thinks Wikipedia his pulpit to spout his new age jabber and is very aggressive about it.

This guy is really quite frightening.

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Can't you two take this elsewhere? Sigh.
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QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Mon 3rd September 2012, 9:21pm) *
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Do you ever tire of being an ignorant dickmitten?
Also I had filed a report about Tarc Meridian from Hingham High School with my local police due to the fact that he cyber stalking me.

As far as Goethean AKA Scott Zimmerle is about in his mid 30's and is ethnic German and is nuts.

Scott stalks me on a regular basis, since He lives about 3 mils from my house and drive by my house all the time.

Considering what he writes, he's a rather scary guy. I have warned the local police about him.

Also, since I'm very active and well known in local politics, Scott enjoys almost no creditably in real life in the local political scene. He writes the local politicians all the time and they know him well and have a good laugh at Scott's expense.


laugh.gif Goethean lives right near you! that's funny.

and when did Tarc get outed?
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Can't you two take this elsewhere? Sigh.


Why??? you don't try to do any thing about bully boy Tarc???? This clown continues to stalk and attack me and you don't do jack shit about.... why should I have respect when you don't.

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Can't you two take this elsewhere? Sigh.


Why??? you don't try to do any thing about bully boy Tarc???? This clown continues to stalk and attack me and you don't do jack shit about.... why should I have respect when you don't.


You are disrupting other topics. Having problems with Tarc doesn't give you the right to create problems for everyone else and interrupt topics. It makes you look like the problem instead of the other guy.
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 3rd September 2012, 6:48pm) *

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Can't you two take this elsewhere? Sigh.


Why??? you don't try to do any thing about bully boy Tarc???? This clown continues to stalk and attack me and you don't do jack shit about.... why should I have respect when you don't.


You are disrupting other topics. Having problems with Tarc doesn't give you the right to create problems for everyone else and interrupt topics. It makes you look like the problem instead of the other guy.


FUCK U... why don't you just go and suck Mr. Tarc love pump or Do something about TARC , who is the real cause of this conflict.

PS..I have no more patients for blind idiots who can't see the truth... and am tired of the lies, distortions, and other baloney from over educated fools.

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