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Posted by: thekohser

Just a sticky thread where we might post problems or errors in articles that would'a / should'a / could'a been fixed, but haven't.

You'd think after more than 26 months and about 3,800 page views, somebody would have http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_to_Bali&diff=287197773&oldid=285568153 "Woody Wodpecker".

Posted by: lilburne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Brittany#cite_note-lj-5.

Posted by: EricBarbour

a) I have hundreds of examples of this. And they are only a tiny sample. And I am not going to post them in a public area.
Because if those thousands of Jimbo-throne-sniffers can't find stupid and obvious typos, they should not be running that place.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_to_Bali&diff=440699043&oldid=383088489, Greg......)

b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_to_Bali is a typical WP article about a cartoon, book, TV show, movie or other pop-culture flotsam.
Short, rather useless, and very badly written. There are hundreds of thousands more like this one.

c) As usual, the illustration may be a copyright violation. And no one cares--until a lawsuit is filed.

d) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharka_Blue. (nsfw)

Posted by: EricBarbour

You want something to mull over? I will give you one. Just one.

Deborah Winters (T-H-L-K-D). Sinclairindex (T-C-L-K-R-D) . Figure it out.

Posted by: thekohser

Over 3,000 page views, and nobody bothered to question http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reed_Hastings&diff=prev&oldid=442525392 on the biography of one of America's most famous CEOs. Fifteen days? Jimbo, is this another example of the "quick" fixes of vandalism you're so often touting?

Posted by: carbuncle

QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 15th August 2011, 7:48pm) *

Over 3,000 page views, and nobody bothered to question http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reed_Hastings&diff=prev&oldid=442525392 on the biography of one of America's most famous CEOs. Fifteen days? Jimbo, is this another example of the "quick" fixes of vandalism you're so often touting?

To be fair, vandalism to BLPs is often caught much faster than 15 days. Takehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leif_Garrett&diff=443550726&oldid=440395924 to Leif Garrett, which was caught after only 7 days. Oh, I would have fixed it myself, but Garrett has ties to Scientology...

Posted by: Detective

QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 15th August 2011, 8:48pm) *

Over 3,000 page views, and nobody bothered to question http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reed_Hastings&diff=prev&oldid=442525392 on the biography of one of America's most famous CEOs.

But what if it's true? We woudn't want to omit important true information from the lede! laugh.gif

And everyone will be delighted to see that http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reed_Hastings&diff=next&oldid=442935467 has swooped in to remove the spurious apostrophe. smile.gif

Posted by: thekohser

I have to give credit where it's due. There's an article on Wikipedia about an African musical instrument, and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&oldid=425309427 it mentions:

QUOTE
A banjo is not a person.


Nothing could be more true, and ever shall it be. Thank you, Wikipedia.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 24th August 2011, 1:38pm) *

I have to give credit where it's due. There's an article on Wikipedia about an African musical instrument, and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&oldid=425309427 it mentions:

QUOTE
A banjo is not a person.


Nothing could be more true, and ever shall it be. Thank you, Wikipedia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&action=historysubmit&diff=196936959&oldid=189844125

No one bothered to fix whatever that anon was trying to say since March 2008. I'm not a language expert, so I'm not sure how to go about fixing it either.

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 24th August 2011, 2:02pm) *

I'm not a language expert, so I'm not sure how to go about fixing it either.


I'm not sure 216.12.16.132 is a language expert, either.

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 24th August 2011, 10:38am) *

I have to give credit where it's due. There's an article on Wikipedia about an African musical instrument, and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&oldid=425309427 it mentions:
QUOTE
A banjo is not a person.

Nothing could be more true, and ever shall it be. Thank you, Wikipedia.

A week later, and it still sits unrepaired.

Thanks, Wikipedia! So, let me get this straight: If an anonymous flake posts drivel on your "encyclopedia",
it can sit there for THREE YEARS unmolested.
But if Greg Kohs points out said drivel, you will deliberately leave it unrepaired. Why is that? hrmph.gif

Posted by: Silver seren

Fixed. When in doubt, remove it. Didn't seem to have anything to do with the Akonting instrument anyways.

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Wed 24th August 2011, 5:10pm) *

Fixed. When in doubt, remove it. Didn't seem to have anything to do with the Akonting instrument anyways.


You could have added a "citation needed" tag to it. smile.gif

I do wonder if some Wikipedians would actually try to find "Reliable Sources" that adhere to NPOV to prove that a banjo is, indeed, not a person?

Posted by: Silver seren

I rarely, if ever, bother with a citation needed tag. Either i'll be able to find a reference myself and I then add it, or i'm able to find nothing, so I just remove the statement altogether.

Posted by: Kelly Martin

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Wed 24th August 2011, 4:10pm) *

Fixed. When in doubt, remove it. Didn't seem to have anything to do with the Akonting instrument anyways.
It's a comment about linguistics. It appears that the word has structural gender corresponding to a personal gender, which is anomalous as a banjo is, well, not a person. It's rather like the anomalous way "Mädchen" is grammatically neuter; much has been written about the acceptability of using feminine pronouns in backreference to women made neuter by this quirk of German's grammar.

Posted by: Silver seren

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 24th August 2011, 11:41pm) *

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Wed 24th August 2011, 4:10pm) *

Fixed. When in doubt, remove it. Didn't seem to have anything to do with the Akonting instrument anyways.
It's a comment about linguistics. It appears that the word has structural gender corresponding to a personal gender, which is anomalous as a banjo is, well, not a person. It's rather like the anomalous way "Mädchen" is grammatically neuter; much has been written about the acceptability of using feminine pronouns in backreference to women made neuter by this quirk of German's grammar.


I understood that, but it didn't seem to have any place in that article, even if it was about the linguistical variations of the word Akonting.

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 24th August 2011, 4:47pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 24th August 2011, 10:38am) *

I have to give credit where it's due. There's an article on Wikipedia about an African musical instrument, and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&oldid=425309427 it mentions:
QUOTE
A banjo is not a person.

Nothing could be more true, and ever shall it be. Thank you, Wikipedia.

A week later, and it still sits unrepaired.


How do you get a "week" later, Eric? Today's the 24th.

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Wed 24th August 2011, 5:10pm) *

When in doubt, remove it.


Like Jimbo's claim to be "founder" of Wikipedia, because he installed some freeware on a server, at the request of one of his employees?

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 24th August 2011, 8:17pm) *

How do you get a "week" later, Eric? Today's the 24th.

Sorry, doing 3 things at once.

I meant to say......http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akonting&diff=196936559&oldid=189844125.

Posted by: culeaker

Thekohser: You know, we aren't all bloody fools on Wikipedia. Some of us have a pretty shrewd suspicion which accounts are doing the sort of paid advertising you claim to be doing. But WP:AGF we usually leave those accounts alone if they appear superficially to behave themselves.

Now, if one of those accounts were to fix errors in articles rather than parade those errors here and get others to fix them, that account would get brownie points, and people would be even more inclined to invoke WP:AGF.

I do hope you take this advice in the spirit it was given.

Posted by: Zoloft

QUOTE(culeaker @ Thu 25th August 2011, 2:32am) *

Thekohser: You know, we aren't all bloody fools on Wikipedia. Some of us have a pretty shrewd suspicion which accounts are doing the sort of paid advertising you claim to be doing. But WP:AGF we usually leave those accounts alone if they appear superficially to behave themselves.

Now, if one of those accounts were to fix errors in articles rather than parade those errors here and get others to fix them, that account would get brownie points, and people would be even more inclined to invoke WP:AGF.

I do hope you take this advice in the spirit it was given.

That spirit being:
"That's a nice car you have; it'd be a pity if anything happened to it. Got a bit o' cash on you?"

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(culeaker @ Thu 25th August 2011, 5:32am) *

Now, if one of those accounts were to fix errors in articles rather than parade those errors here and get others to fix them...


So, you're saying a banjo is a person?

hmmm.gif

Why don't you send me a short list of "those accounts", and I'll let you know which ones are mine. Just for the record, I don't do "advertising" -- never have. I do "Wikipedia articles".

Posted by: Collect

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 25th August 2011, 8:15am) *

QUOTE(culeaker @ Thu 25th August 2011, 5:32am) *

Now, if one of those accounts were to fix errors in articles rather than parade those errors here and get others to fix them...


So, you're saying a banjo is a person?

hmmm.gif

Why don't you send me a short list of "those accounts", and I'll let you know which ones are mine. Just for the record, I don't do "advertising" -- never have. I do "Wikipedia articles".



I rather think the quote is awkward but not specifically "wrong" -- the point appears to be that the noun as spelled would be a type of noun in a specific language used to refer to persons and not to objects. How would you convey such a fact about a language?

Posted by: culeaker

QUOTE(Zoloft @ Thu 25th August 2011, 10:40am) *

That spirit being:
"That's a nice car you have; it'd be a pity if anything happened to it. Got a bit o' cash on you?"

That's exactly the attitude that I'm glad Thekohser doesn't have.

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 25th August 2011, 1:15pm) *

So, you're saying a banjo is a person?

Isn't that precisely what I'm not saying?
QUOTE

Why don't you send me a short list of "those accounts", and I'll let you know which ones are mine.

So you can find out if there are any we haven't spotted yet? Good try.

Posted by: The Joy

I had no idea that Belgian businessman Georges Jacobs (T-H-L-K-D) was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien#Commanders of the Waffen SS's 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien (T-H-L-K-D).

Oh, the things you learn from Wikipedia! rolleyes.gif

Edit: Wow, that's been there for 6 six years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien&oldid=13906826

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 25th August 2011, 8:06pm) *

I had no idea that Belgian businessman Georges Jacobs (T-H-L-K-D) was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien#Commanders of the Waffen SS's 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien (T-H-L-K-D).


Wow, when you inspire it, you get http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien&diff=446758169&oldid=438341917, The Joy. They must love you more than me.

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 26th August 2011, 12:34am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 25th August 2011, 8:06pm) *

I had no idea that Belgian businessman Georges Jacobs (T-H-L-K-D) was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien#Commanders of the Waffen SS's 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien (T-H-L-K-D).


Wow, when you inspire it, you get http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien&diff=446758169&oldid=438341917, The Joy. They must love you more than me.


Well, it's nice to be noticed.

I'm sure having the same name as a Belgian SS officer is bad enough, but I wonder if the businessman Mr. Jacobs was ever stopped at the airport and nearly arrested because Wikipedia said he was a WWII war criminal? hrmph.gif

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 26th August 2011, 12:34am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 25th August 2011, 8:06pm) *

I had no idea that Belgian businessman Georges Jacobs (T-H-L-K-D) was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien#Commanders of the Waffen SS's 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien (T-H-L-K-D).


Wow, when you inspire it, you get http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien&diff=446758169&oldid=438341917, The Joy. They must love you more than me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_to_Bali&diff=440699043&oldid=383088489

I love you too.

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 26th August 2011, 9:20am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_to_Bali&diff=440699043&oldid=383088489

I love you too.


Maybe you could coach a clinic on "kindly attribution". I'd pay for Silver Seren's registration fee.

Posted by: Zoloft

Carrots. Crunchy, juicy, and so tasty.

This 'article' → Saket (T-H-L-K-D) has been a small, fetid blob for six years.

Posted by: EricBarbour

I'll give you smarmy little men another one to mull over.

Arcenio_James_Advincula (T-H-L-K-D).
Dansx6 (T-C-L-K-R-D) .
Figure it out.

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Posted by: Larry Sanger

I just had to add that I've known some banjo players who seemed very attached to their instruments. They might even have referred to their instruments using a feminine pronoun. Just sayin'.

Posted by: thekohser

Somebody made somebody I work for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_L._Roberts&diff=465663312&oldid=465544546 than they are. That was two weeks and at least a thousand page views ago. Way to go, Wikipedia -- you're really keeping tabs on those drive-by BLP violations.