Aelle of Sussex, Saxons vs. Brythons? Options

[Emperor]

Nice flub in the featured article today. Aelle of Sussex is reported to have fought the "Britons", with a link included to "Brython". Follow the link, the the Brythons are described as having been pre-Roman.

Links:
Aelle of Sussex
Brython

[everyking]

You don't know what you're talking about. The article is correct.

[Amarkov]

The Britons were pre-Roman in the same sense that the Native Americans were pre-colony. The Britons did not cease to exist after the Roman Empire was established any more than Native Americans ceased to exist after European colonies were established.

[Emperor]

In the Aelle article, the link from "Britons" leads to "Brython". Read the intro to Brython. This link implies that the Saxons fought against pre-roman, Celtic-speaking people named Brythons.

This post has been edited by Emperor: Mon 7th January 2008, 6:43am

[Amarkov]

The Britons were pre-Roman in the same sense that the Native Americans were pre-colony. The Britons did not cease to exist after the Roman Empire was established any more than Native Americans ceased to exist after European colonies were established.

In the Aelle article, the link from "Britons" leads to "Brython". Read the intro to Brython. This link implies that the Saxons fought against pre-roman, Celtic-speaking people named Brythons.

The intro might, but it's made quite clear later in the article that the term does not apply only to pre-Romans. And in the context of history, "Briton" and "Brython" are nearly synonymous.

[Emperor]

The Britons were pre-Roman in the same sense that the Native Americans were pre-colony. The Britons did not cease to exist after the Roman Empire was established any more than Native Americans ceased to exist after European colonies were established.

In the Aelle article, the link from "Britons" leads to "Brython". Read the intro to Brython. This link implies that the Saxons fought against pre-roman, Celtic-speaking people named Brythons.

The intro might, but it's made quite clear later in the article that the term does not apply only to pre-Romans. And in the context of history, "Briton" and "Brython" are nearly synonymous.

I think you're looking at the article for Briton. You need to follow the link, which goes to Brython.

[msharma]

The Britons were pre-Roman in the same sense that the Native Americans were pre-colony. The Britons did not cease to exist after the Roman Empire was established any more than Native Americans ceased to exist after European colonies were established.

In the Aelle article, the link from "Britons" leads to "Brython". Read the intro to Brython. This link implies that the Saxons fought against pre-roman, Celtic-speaking people named Brythons.

The intro might, but it's made quite clear later in the article that the term does not apply only to pre-Romans. And in the context of history, "Briton" and "Brython" are nearly synonymous.

I think you're looking at the article for Briton. You need to follow the link, which goes to Brython.

The problem is not the FA on Aelle of Sussex but the very non-FA on Brython.

[jorge]

Maybe they should have linked to Romano-Britons?

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Maybe they should have linked to Romano-Britons?

I wonder if I'd get in trouble if I slapped a "this article needs real-world context" warning on that page.

[Emperor]

Maybe they should have linked to Romano-Britons?

yes.

[Bruce Reynolds]

You don't know what you're talking about. The article is correct.

This comment seems to be the slogan for many editors at Wikipedia.

The sentence in the OP article is an example of what a friend of mine used to call "true, but not useful". Most people use "Briton" to refer to them scurvy Limeys over there now, not to Picts or Angled Saxophones or whatever.

[Derktar]

You don't know what you're talking about. The article is correct.

This comment seems to be the slogan for many editors at Wikipedia.

The sentence in the OP article is an example of what a friend of mine used to call "true, but not useful". Most people use "Briton" to refer to them scurvy Limeys over there now, not to Picts or Angled Saxophones or whatever.

Welcome to the Review Bruce Reynolds, enjoy your stay.

[dogbiscuit]

You don't know what you're talking about. The article is correct.

This comment seems to be the slogan for many editors at Wikipedia.

The sentence in the OP article is an example of what a friend of mine used to call "true, but not useful". Most people use "Briton" to refer to them scurvy Limeys over there now, not to Picts or Angled Saxophones or whatever.

A good example of lack of International awareness within Wikipedia. Briton has an implication in Britain of meaning an "Ancient Briton" which is probably the phrase I would have used in my school days, when people used to be educated.

These days, people seem to have an urge to invent new words to cover concepts where they feel that the public aren't excluded enough from knowing what they are talking about. It's a bit like re-inventing the Latin Mass for the new religions.

[Bruce Reynolds]

You don't know what you're talking about. The article is correct.

This comment seems to be the slogan for many editors at Wikipedia.

The sentence in the OP article is an example of what a friend of mine used to call "true, but not useful". Most people use "Briton" to refer to them scurvy Limeys over there now, not to Picts or Angled Saxophones or whatever.

A good example of lack of International awareness within Wikipedia. Briton has an implication in Britain of meaning an "Ancient Briton" which is probably the phrase I would have used in my school days, when people used to be educated.

Really? What do you call the peoples of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? Aside, I mean, from "subjects" or perhaps bloody pommies? Some of them would like to call everyone "English", but this annoys my Scottish and Welsh friends to no end. And the Northern Irish, best not to call them at all!

[dogbiscuit]

Really? What do you call the peoples of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? Aside, I mean, from "subjects" or perhaps bloody pommies? Some of them would like to call everyone "English", but this annoys my Scottish and Welsh friends to no end. And the Northern Irish, best not to call them at all!

Normally, one would call one's fellow citizens British, old chap.

[guy]

The only time we British call ourselves Britons is when we sing "Rule Britannia".