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Zoloft
post Mon 11th July 2011, 3:27am
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I haven't seen any mention of this, so just merge to existing discussion if any.

Rupert Murdoch's Sunday paper, the News of the World, is embroiled in a vast phone-hacking scandal, and he shuts it down, while Rebekah Brooks gives out denial after denial about any knowledge of what her employees were doing...

Rebekah Brooks worked hand-in-hand with Freud Communications, and there are quite a few stories that may have been planted by that firm...

Freud Communications employs Kate Garvey (former Tony Blair aide), who fills the role of Director, and who probably at this moment has her hands full, what with all the unraveling threads at Freud Communications and her engagement to Jimbo Wales, a close relationship since the May previous at least.

Is Jimbo blissfully counting baby photos and keeping the long-distance-relationship with his fiancee fresh? Or is he reviewing in his mind any correspondence and agreements with Freud Communications he may have left behind in London?

Of course, this might all be just a big ball of coincidence... dry.gif
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post Mon 11th July 2011, 4:35am
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This might have worked for the NotW staff as a means of extricating themselves from the trouble they caused, if they'd only thought of it. They could have released a statement like this:
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Jimbo told us it was okay to delete the voice mail messages, because they were all stored in the mailbox's "revision history." He also made the point that this was the right thing to do, because having the mailbox filled up with old messages was a form of de facto censorship, which is contrary to the "anyone can edit" philosophy. Of course, we would have asked the police for permission to do it, but Jimbo said we couldn't be prosecuted since the new voice-mails (the ones we were making room for) would be considered "crowdsourced" - so we wouldn't be held personally responsible for their content. We weren't even hosting them! (Admittedly, he might have said "hoisting.") He also convinced us that we should all follow our own individual moral code(s), since to do otherwise would be "weak, in the strictly Objectivist sense." Besides, they might have said "no."

It would have been worth a shot, at least...
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post Mon 11th July 2011, 9:10am
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 10th July 2011, 9:35pm) *

This might have worked for the NotW staff as a means of extricating themselves from the trouble they caused, if they'd only thought of it. They could have released a statement like this:
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Jimbo told us it was okay to delete the voice mail messages, because they were all stored in the mailbox's "revision history." He also made the point that this was the right thing to do, because having the mailbox filled up with old messages was a form of de facto censorship, which is contrary to the "anyone can edit" philosophy. Of course, we would have asked the police for permission to do it, but Jimbo said we couldn't be prosecuted since the new voice-mails (the ones we were making room for) would be considered "crowdsourced" - so we wouldn't be held personally responsible for their content. We weren't even hosting them! (Admittedly, he might have said "hoisting.") He also convinced us that we should all follow our own individual moral code(s), since to do otherwise would be "weak, in the strictly Objectivist sense." Besides, they might have said "no."

It would have been worth a shot, at least...

Maybe a shot of whiskey.

I still think the mainstream media needs to poke around and see if there any connections or alliances that connect Jimmy Wales with the Murdoch kakistocracy.
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post Mon 11th July 2011, 4:34pm
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QUOTE(Zoloft @ Mon 11th July 2011, 5:10am) *

I still think the mainstream media needs to poke around and see if there any connections or alliances that connect Jimmy Wales with the Murdoch kakistocracy.


What do you consider the "mainstream media"?
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post Mon 11th July 2011, 7:31pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 11th July 2011, 4:34pm) *

QUOTE(Zoloft @ Mon 11th July 2011, 5:10am) *

I still think the mainstream media needs to poke around and see if there any connections or alliances that connect Jimmy Wales with the Murdoch kakistocracy.


What do you consider the "mainstream media"?

Blogspot, Wordpress, and of course, The Examiner.
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post Mon 11th July 2011, 8:47pm
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QUOTE(Zoloft @ Sun 10th July 2011, 11:27pm) *

I haven't seen any mention of this, so just merge to existing discussion if any.

Rupert Murdoch's Sunday paper, the News of the World, is embroiled in a vast phone-hacking scandal, and he shuts it down, while Rebekah Brooks gives out denial after denial about any knowledge of what her employees were doing...

Rebekah Brooks worked hand-in-hand with Freud Communications, and there are quite a few stories that may have been planted by that firm...

Freud Communications employs Kate Garvey (former Tony Blair aide), who fills the role of Director, and who probably at this moment has her hands full, what with all the unraveling threads at Freud Communications and her engagement to Jimbo Wales, a close relationship since the May previous at least.

Is Jimbo blissfully counting baby photos and keeping the long-distance-relationship with his fiancee fresh? Or is he reviewing in his mind any correspondence and agreements with Freud Communications he may have left behind in London?

Of course, this might all be just a big ball of coincidence... dry.gif


Zoloft, I sent this to Damian Thompson at The Telegraph. I hope you don't mind.
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post Wed 20th July 2011, 3:56pm
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Pardon if this has already been mentioned elsewhere.

Jimbo seemed to think that Wikipedia should have a biography of living person Glenn Mulcaire.

Gamaliel disagreed.

Jimbo whined that he wanted it his way. In fact, Jimbo even suggested snooping about the guy's children, his educational background, even whether he goes to church or not.

After the biography had become a clear mockery of what an encyclopedia should publish, Off2riorob decided that Jimbo had, indeed, gone too far.
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post Wed 20th July 2011, 4:51pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 20th July 2011, 3:56pm) *

Pardon if this has already been mentioned elsewhere.

Jimbo seemed to think that Wikipedia should have a biography of living person Glenn Mulcaire.

Gamaliel disagreed.

Jimbo whined that he wanted it his way. In fact, Jimbo even suggested snooping about the guy's children, his educational background, even whether he goes to church or not.

After the biography had become a clear mockery of what an encyclopedia should publish, Off2riorob decided that Jimbo had, indeed, gone too far.

To be fair to Jimbo, he actually proposed a merge with the phone hacking scandal article on the talk page, a week before Off2RioRob did the redirect. [quote]
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post Wed 20th July 2011, 4:55pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 20th July 2011, 11:56am) *
After the biography had become a clear mockery of what an encyclopedia should publish, Off2riorob decided that Jimbo had, indeed, gone too far.
Cherry-picked, Greg, shame on you. Jimbo proposed, July 11, what Off2riorob implemented July 18.
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I'm about ready to give up

I'd rather us not doing this in a WP:BOLD way, nor in an AFD. Let's just have a quick poll here and see what we think.

I propose that we leave this article here in the history but redirect to the main hacking scandal article. I propose that we do this until someone comes up with more information about his life story outside of just his role in this scandal. Absent that, this isn't a real biography.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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post Wed 20th July 2011, 5:34pm
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Damn, you guys caught me.

Still, it does tend to show how careless Jimbo is. He shouldn't be creating Wikipedia BLPs without having a stronger sense of source materials, the site's own policies, and (frankly) more competency in writing. He thinks "dabbling" like this is fun and interesting, while other people's reputations are being (potentially) permanently affected.

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post Wed 20th July 2011, 6:48pm
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Well, I think the real key to writing a good biography is to find facts about him that are '''not''' part of this 'one event'. Without those, a good biography is difficult, as we know nothing about him that isn't really just knowing about the event. When I started the article, I was wondering: what is he like as a human being, how did he get where he is? I learned that he's a former footballer, and has 5 kids. Is (or perhaps I should say was) his firm a successful investigations firm, or a "one man band"? Did he go to University? Is he a church-going man? If we can't answer even those kinds of basic questions, I doubt if we can have an article.

And thus Jimbo lays down a policy on biographies, or possibly just on BLPs. If you can't answer basic questions like those, "I doubt if we can have an article." I look forward to seeing that argument used extensively in AfDs. laugh.gif
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post Wed 20th July 2011, 7:11pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 20th July 2011, 1:34pm) *
Damn, you guys caught me.
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Congratulations, Greg. An authentic response, not in denial. I like that.

William M. Connolley, after he blocked me for making a harmless self-reverted correction to Cold fusion after he'd banned me, was asked about his prior comment, when it was ScienceApologist making spelling corrections under ban, that this was "silly," and he responded that he'd "nailed his colors to the yard-arm," a remarkable, and very honest, comment. WMC was great at that, sometimes, WYSIWYG. It was refreshing compared to the Wikipedia norm, the pretense of neutrality, while acting and asserting what was far from neutral.

Of course, he was acting as an administrator, and acknowledging strong bias. So, why did it take a bloody RfAr to do something about it?

I don't blame WMC, he was just doing what he'd long been enabled to do, by others who are still administrators, and who still do it.
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post Wed 20th July 2011, 7:44pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 11th July 2011, 9:34am) *

QUOTE(Zoloft @ Mon 11th July 2011, 5:10am) *

I still think the mainstream media needs to poke around and see if there any connections or alliances that connect Jimmy Wales with the Murdoch kakistocracy.


What do you consider the "mainstream media"?

tongue.gif
I was hinting you might want to explore it in an Examiner article, but, hey, sending it to actual ink-stained wretches is fine too.

It's all a big game of connect-the-dots, and the dots have been getting bigger and closer to Jimbo for some time now.
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