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post Tue 6th December 2011, 7:07pm
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Jimbo's method of leeching isn't through a paycheck anyway, as we've gone over again and again on various threads. He simply tries to get everyone to call him the founder, then gets paid for speaking engagements as "the founder". He doesn't "officially" work for the WMF, he just does the things the WMF apparently wants done without all the complications about being an employee.


Yes, it's all about the Cult of Jimbo for him, and his frontiering sense of personal ambition. IMO that effects everything below it, especially as he retains such a significant presence on WIkipedia.
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post Tue 6th December 2011, 9:51pm
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Let me check my e-mail files...

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Dear Gregory,

Thanks so much for your interest in Jimmy Wales. Mr. Wales is a wonderful
speaker as you know, and if we are fortunate enough to be able to secure him
for your event, I am sure he will be extremely well received.

Mr. Wales speaking honorarium for a US engagement is $100,000 plus first
class
round trip expenses
.

Please let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you. I do
hope this is an opportunity we'll be able to further explore.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Ann

Ann Shavrick
Vice President
The Harry Walker Agency, Inc.
355 Lexington Ave, Floor 21
New York, NY 10017
(646)227-4906
anns@harrywalker.com
www.harrywalker.com


Now, granted, that does not show that Jimbo would "only" fly first class, but it's pretty clear that was his agent's expectation.
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post Tue 6th December 2011, 9:57pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 6th December 2011, 4:51pm) *

Let me check my e-mail files...

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Dear Gregory,

Thanks so much for your interest in Jimmy Wales. Mr. Wales is a wonderful
speaker as you know, and if we are fortunate enough to be able to secure him
for your event, I am sure he will be extremely well received.

Mr. Wales speaking honorarium for a US engagement is $100,000 plus first
class
round trip expenses
.

Please let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you. I do
hope this is an opportunity we'll be able to further explore.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Ann

Ann Shavrick
Vice President
The Harry Walker Agency, Inc.
355 Lexington Ave, Floor 21
New York, NY 10017
(646)227-4906
anns@harrywalker.com
www.harrywalker.com


Now, granted, that does not show that Jimbo would "only" fly first class, but it's pretty clear that was his agent's expectation.

When was that from, Greg? Does he still use the same agent?

It's still not the WMF paying for it, but it certainly makes it clear what kind of payola is involved here in his "charitable" work.
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post Tue 6th December 2011, 10:02pm
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QUOTE(cookiehead @ Tue 6th December 2011, 2:05pm) *

...would make a great Cade Metz story.


Cade is no longer with The Register. He appears to be doing more serious business-related stuff for Wired now.


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When was that from, Greg? Does he still use the same agent?


June 30, 2008. I don't know if he still uses the same agent -- what am I, some kind of stalker?
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post Tue 6th December 2011, 10:41pm
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Oh, hell, Johnny, I'll do the work for you.

Accolades for Jimbo!

Notice that he apparently spoke for ArcelorMittal? The world's largest producer of steel (imagine the pollution!), but its Wikipedia article devotes a scant 4.4% to criticism of the company, and even then, it's a "lumped up" critique of 17 different steel producers.

For a couple of hours, this was a great insight about the company's CEO. For about 30 hours, there was information about how to pronounce the name of the company.

Jimmy, the world thanks you for your excellent encyclopedia, and ArcelorMittal thanks you for the 4.4% criticism ratio.
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post Tue 6th December 2011, 11:18pm
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Have you guys flown coach class lately? If I'm getting paid to speak as your function, I'm for damn sure getting first class seats. I've been on Charlie Fuckin' Rose! -- Jimbo's brain

Seriously though. Coach class is for chumps. Like WP Admins

Cade doing a piece for Wired would have some really nice symmetry. Or Karma.

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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 6th December 2011, 9:51pm) *

Let me check my e-mail files...

QUOTE
Dear Gregory,

Thanks so much for your interest in Jimmy Wales. Mr. Wales is a wonderful
speaker as you know, and if we are fortunate enough to be able to secure him
for your event, I am sure he will be extremely well received.

Mr. Wales speaking honorarium for a US engagement is $100,000 plus first
class
round trip expenses
.

Please let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you. I do
hope this is an opportunity we'll be able to further explore.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Ann

Ann Shavrick
Vice President

The Harry Walker Agency, Inc.
355 Lexington Ave, Floor 21

New York, NY 10017
(646)227-4906

anns@harrywalker.com
www.harrywalker.com


Now, granted, that does not show that Jimbo would "only" fly first class, but it's pretty clear that was his agent's expectation.


Well, here is an interesting question, or maybe even a few.
1. Is this wrong that Jimbo is getting payed for his talks about wikipedia?
On the one hand wikipedia is a non-profit organization, and it looks as Jimbo is using it for profit.
On the other hand he is not WMF employe.
2. Would it have been wrong, if anybody who is not an employe of wmf and not Jimbo get payed for talks about wikipedia? If not, why Jimbo should be treated differently?

3. It looks that at least in 2008 Jimbo still had WMF credit cards in his possession.
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In an interview with the American newsagency The Associated Press, Wales denied having his credit card taken away but refused to comment specifically on Wool's other allegations.

I wonder what he used it for. How common it is for somebody who is not on a company's payroll to use a company's credit card.

4. I wonder how Jimbo's trips to wikimanias are payed.


On a different note I guess Jimbo wishes he has never posted to Cla talk. ermm.gif

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To play devil's advocate (you handsome devil, you, jimmy), he's got every right to earn speakers fees for being Jimmy Wales.

What's more shocking is how little money Jimmy has made off of Wikipedia/media/xxx (oops, that's ironic).
After all these years, Wikipedia should have made its founders hundreds of millions of dollars and been bought by Google/Yahoo/whoever.

Wales is an idiot for not accomplishing that if anything. Maybe the Rand thing is a put-on and he really is altruistic, liberal, and saves stray kittens.
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post Wed 7th December 2011, 4:42am
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Tue 6th December 2011, 7:06pm) *

Well, here is an interesting question, or maybe even a few.
1. Is this wrong that Jimbo is getting payed for his talks about wikipedia?
On the one hand wikipedia is a non-profit organization, and it looks as Jimbo is using it for profit.
On the other hand he is not WMF employe.
2. Would it have been wrong, if anybody who is not an employe of wmf and not Jimbo get payed for talks about wikipedia? If not, why Jimbo should be treated differently?

3. It looks that at least in 2008 Jimbo still had WMF credit cards in his possession.
QUOTE
In an interview with the American newsagency The Associated Press, Wales denied having his credit card taken away but refused to comment specifically on Wool's other allegations.

I wonder what he used it for. How common it is for somebody who is not on a company's payroll to use a company's credit card.

4. I wonder how Jimbo's trips to wikimanias are payed.


On a different note I guess Jimbo wishes he has never posted to Cla talk. ermm.gif


I don't particularly find your questions interesting. But, that's all right, I'll give some answers.

1. There is nothing wrong with Jimbo earning as much as he can by talking about Wikipedia or Wikia or currency trading or the Warrior Cats. What I tend to have a problem with is when he speaks for free at a Wikimedia Foundation event (like Wikimania), and a substantial portion of his talk centers on Wikia. I also cringe when he goes way out of his way to say how he doesn't take a dime from the Wikimedia Foundation, when it's pretty clear from the record that the main reason that is, is because Danny Wool exposed him for his abuse of the Foundation's expense account.

2. I certainly hope there's nothing wrong with "common folk" making money talking about Wikipedia, otherwise I'd have to return the $900, airfare, and lodging that I accepted from the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy.

3. See above about Danny Wool. A company (profit or non-profit) that expects an employee, or spokesperson, or co-founder, or emeritus chair to jet around the globe, wining and dining fat cats, so that they will consider doing business with (or donating) large sums of money vis-a-vis the company, will generally outfit the representative with a credit card. This makes more convenient the ability of the representative to take care of things like meals, taxis, hotels, airfares, etc., just as long as each of the expenses charged can be documented as "in the service" of the company. Wales was probably doing fine, until he pushed the envelope a bit with $350 bottles of wine, and a Moscow massage parlor receipt. Wool should have a bronze statue honoring him, for blowing the whistle on those misdeeds. Sue Gardner should be forever shamed, for covering up Wales' reckless behavior and portraying Wool as this amorphous "disgruntled former employee".

4. I believe prior to 2008 or so, Wales would have his Wikimania travel and lodging and meals completely covered by the Foundation. Post-Wool, though, he had to figure out how to pay for all WMF-related travels out of his own pocket.
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