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post Sun 30th December 2012, 1:39am
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OK, I come back to see if WR has maybe come back from the dead yet again (it's like the Flying Dutchman, appearing and disappearing at random), and find it's back, but might as well be dead... the "new articles" feed has a bunch of auto-posted news items with no commentary (Google News would work for that), the one thread of Awbrey talking to himself in academicese, and this one thread with actual discussion, and it's mostly namecalling.
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post Sun 30th December 2012, 2:06am
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QUOTE(dtobias @ Sat 29th December 2012, 8:39pm) *

OK, I come back to see if WR has maybe come back from the dead yet again (it's like the Flying Dutchman, appearing and disappearing at random), and find it's back, but might as well be dead... the "new articles" feed has a bunch of auto-posted news items with no commentary (Google News would work for that), the one thread of Awbrey talking to himself in academicese, and this one thread with actual discussion, and it's mostly namecalling.


All the new threads turn into off-topic shouting matches. Selina is the only one with any global mod/staff power, so we are scuppered. stepcarefully.gif frustrated.gif

You're right. It may as well be dead. unhappy.gif
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post Sun 30th December 2012, 2:39am
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 29th December 2012, 6:50pm) *


Ottava's in the middle. nope.gif


The Joy, Retrospect has posted it before. And my transcripts were posted and linked from Wikiversity. They were here for quite a while. Retrospect knows that because he has been socking. He has a lot of socks and constantly contradicts himself and feigns ignorance.



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OK, I come back to see if WR has maybe come back from the dead yet again (it's like the Flying Dutchman, appearing and disappearing at random), and find it's back, but might as well be dead... the "new articles" feed has a bunch of auto-posted news items with no commentary (Google News would work for that), the one thread of Awbrey talking to himself in academicese, and this one thread with actual discussion, and it's mostly namecalling.


The feed was rarely ever commented on and Jon's forum was mostly just him posting his recent stuff by himself anyway.

There are other threads that have had discussions. They just tend not to involve Retrospect because he is here only to try and destroy the forum as petty revenge for consistently being banned on his other sock names (and his hatred of Selina going way, way back).

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post Sun 30th December 2012, 10:53am
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 26th December 2012, 11:37pm) *

This is also not your normal posting time. You are rarely out beyond 12 PM EST.

There's something ruddy pathological about this. Either you can't stop yourself lying through your arse, or you are incapable of seeing anything that contradicts your idée fixe du jour.
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 29th December 2012, 11:33pm) *

Maybe you should spend more time with curry than trolling this forum.

And you're a bigoted racist. You're only making the obviously daft assertion that I'm in India because you regard "Indian" as a bloody virulent insult.
QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 29th December 2012, 11:50pm) *
Ottava's in the middle.

Hey, it's always good to have a touch of sanity here, but even if this person is, for the sake of argument, Ottava, there's no trace of his transcripts.
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this one thread with actual discussion, and it's mostly namecalling.

I totally agree. I was trying to start a sensible discussion but Ottava hijacked it with his ruddy lunacy. Please feel free to say something about the original thread topic!
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The Joy, Retrospect has posted it before.
Posted what? Where?
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And my transcripts were posted and linked from Wikiversity.
Link?
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Retrospect knows that because he has been socking.
That's a serious and bloody false charge; where's your evidence?
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he is here only to try and destroy the forum
If I wanted to, I wouldn't have to try. You're doing that superbly, by disrupting threads like this one.

And by the way, you once again show your utter bloody ignorance of all things British by asking Detective for his transcripts, because British universities don't give transcripts. laugh.gif
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post Sun 30th December 2012, 1:42pm
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QUOTE(Retrospect @ Sun 30th December 2012, 5:53am) *

There's something ruddy pathological about this. Either you can't stop yourself lying through your arse, or you are incapable of seeing anything that contradicts your idée fixe du jour.


Yet you didn't contradict it because you can't. You are all bluster. You will always be bluster. You hate yourself. You hate your nationality. You hate WR because of what Selina did to you. So why are you here? Because you hate? You are a pathetic little man. Eventually, you will be fired at your call center for going online instead of providing bad customer service to people in the United States while using a fake English sounding name.

The "racist" comment you threw out verifies that you are a resident in India. It is an attempt at distraction on your part - we all know you are from India and live there, and you loathe that. Of course you see it as insulting because you desperately wish you were British. I'm the only one that said it was acceptable to be from there while you are so unwilling to admit to your own home country.

Is it because of the rape problems in India? Is that why you hate your home so much? The corruption problems with the government? Whatever it is, it is kinda sad that you are so desperate to not seem like you are from there. Poor guy.
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post Mon 31st December 2012, 12:46pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 30th December 2012, 1:42pm) *

we all know you are from India and live there

Ottava, you can speak for yourself, but not for me, The Joy, Tarc or anyone else who has posted here lately. I do not believe your insane delusions, and nobody else has said that they do, so please stop pretending that we do. Thanks.
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post Mon 31st December 2012, 12:53pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 29th December 2012, 1:17pm) *

Detective was pointed out as being under the same sock master as Retrospect before November.
It was suggested that we are both someone in England. As you deny, for whatever reason, that Retrospect is British, you cannot accept that suggestion as reliable.
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And unless you put up transcripts, making a claim about going to a college is meaningless.
Retrospect is of course right; I have no transcripts because British universities do not offer them. I note that you refuse to substantiate your lie that you have transcripts, because you can't, so obviously you are not and never have been a university student. The fact that you claim to be a named individual who apparently is a student is reprehensible.

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Is it because of the rape problems in India? Is that why you hate your home so much?

I suggest that you find out what the rate of rapes is in India and in the USA before you attempt the Herculean task of making yourself look like an even bigger idiot!
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post Mon 31st December 2012, 3:41pm
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QUOTE(Detective @ Mon 31st December 2012, 7:53am) *

I have no transcripts because British universities do not offer them. I note that you refuse to substantiate your lie that you have transcripts, because you can't, so obviously you are not and never have been a university student. The fact that you claim to be a named individual who apparently is a student is reprehensible.



Hilarious.

We all know you love bouncing from name to name, but it doesn't help your argument.

1. My transcript was linked here and the pages are still visible for admin. They were posted here for quite a while, then removed from Wikiversity when I was requesting quite a few of my pages cleaned out.

2. British Universities offer transcripts. Otherwise, people would never know what classes they took. I know many people who both came to the US from a UK school and studied abroad for credits, and have transcripts from those schools. Oxford sure offers them and even requires them.

All colleges have an administrative department that keeps records of the classes you took. They are commonly called a "registrar." However, your sock master (i.e. the Indian guy behind both of your accounts above) is unable to know that because he never went to college nor lives anywhere near the UK.

" In 1448, a John Manyngham signed a letter for the university, and was permitted in 1451 to have a scholar make transcripts in the university's library" Funny, the Registrar in Oxford has been making transcripts for an awfully long time! Every university that I could find in the UK had such a registrar (even though Cambridge calls their's a "registrary").

Ooops. Sorry troll, but you lost again.

You have no name, no identity, and no Wiki name because you are a long time sock master using multiple socks here to troll. Why are you here to troll? Because you hate Selina for giving you the boot so many years ago.



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I suggest that you find out what the rate of rapes is in India and in the USA before you attempt the Herculean task of making yourself look like an even bigger idiot!


Almost missed this doozy. See, everyone knows that India currently has mass protests/riots because of their lack of handling the crime problem, especially after the recent rape victim died after being gang raped brutally in a public area. Only someone from India who is embarrassed by such things would try to attack the US.

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post Mon 31st December 2012, 6:38pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 30th December 2012, 1:42pm) *

Yet you didn't contradict it because you can't.

This is ruddy unbelievable! I have contradicted it, more than once. Is it that you are so blinded by your jealousy of the British that you cannot see what I write, or just so bloody pig-headed that you refuse to admit anything that contradicts your crazy world view?


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What has Selina ever done to me? If you think she blocked me, and you think I'm a ruddy Indian, which Indian editor has she ever blocked? Put up or shut up.
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 30th December 2012, 1:42pm) *

The "racist" comment you threw out verifies that you are a resident in India.
By what twisted logic do you come to that conclusion? Do you really believe that only Indians are offended by your nasty racism?

Look, I only have pity for you. You are so jealous of us and everything british culture is that you can never aspire to that you have to try to belittle everyone here who is British. I urge you for your own good to go into psychotherapy before it is too late.


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post Mon 31st December 2012, 6:57pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 31st December 2012, 3:41pm) *

Hilarious.

We all know you love bouncing from name to name, but it doesn't help your argument.

Ruddy hilarious indeed. Are you saying that Detective is Indian? Yes or no?
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My transcript was linked here and the pages are still visible for admin. They were posted here for quite a while, then removed from Wikiversity when I was requesting quite a few of my pages cleaned out.

You think you're so bloody clever, don't you, pointing to something that's been deleted so it can't be checked. But I was well aware of your crude deception. I looked at it before it was deleted and took a copy. "Image of Ottava Rima's real life doctoral transcript with personal information removed" There is no evidence whatsoever of whose transcript it is or indeed whether the document is a complete forgery. Try harder next time!
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(even though Cambridge calls their's a "registrary").

Once again, you prove that you are a total ruddy illiterate who probably never went to high school, let alone university. Ooops. Sorry troll, but you lost again.
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Almost missed this doozy. See, everyone knows that India currently has mass protests/riots because of their lack of handling the crime problem, especially after the recent rape victim died after being gang raped brutally in a public area. Only someone from India who is embarrassed by such things would try to attack the US.

Look up the rates, assuming you have the literacy to do so. You'll be surprised.
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post Mon 31st December 2012, 7:05pm
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QUOTE(Retrospect @ Mon 31st December 2012, 1:38pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 30th December 2012, 1:42pm) *

Yet you didn't contradict it because you can't.

This is ruddy unbelievable! I have contradicted it, more than once.


Denial is not a contradiction. A natural speaker of English would know this.


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You think you're so bloody clever, don't you, pointing to something that's been deleted so it can't be checked. But I was well aware of your crude deception. I looked at it before it was deleted and took a copy.


So you lied before when you said it wasn't up and that you never saw it?

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Thank you for admitting your trolling. It makes things easier.


This whole thread was one big troll of yours. So far, you admitted to being from India, using two names, having no clue about the British University system, and being an utter and complete liar who wants only to make up attacks on others. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for coming out on this.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 31st December 2012, 7:05pm) *

Denial is not a contradiction. A natural speaker of English would know this.

Again and again you admit that you cannot understand English. I produced clear evidence that your statement was a bloody lie; that's a contradiction by any standards, even yours.
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So you lied before when you said it wasn't up and that you never saw it?

Try a little harder. Your transcript was never there, only some crude forgery you tried to palm off on people, so of course I haven't seen yours.
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So far, you admitted to being from India, using two names, having no clue about the British University system, and being an utter and complete liar who wants only to make up attacks on others.

Links? Time and again you make up these absurd fantasies, which are totally false, but of course you never have any ruddy evidence because there is none.

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Ruddy hilarious indeed. Are you saying that Detective is Indian? Yes or no?

OK, you don't think Detective is Indian. So are you lying when you say I'm Indian, or when you say he and I are the same?

Evidently, you are just playing some ruddy stupid game with me. So, in the words of one of my countrymen, "The game is done! I've won, I've won!" Thank you. No doubt you are a good loser.


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QUOTE(Retrospect @ Tue 1st January 2013, 10:26am) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 31st December 2012, 7:05pm) *

Denial is not a contradiction. A natural speaker of English would know this.

Again and again you admit that you cannot understand English. I produced clear evidence that your statement was a bloody lie; that's a contradiction by any standards, even yours.


If by evidence you mean "bluster" then you could have any kind of argument. However, you have provided no substance or substantiation.

You go on and on accusing me of various English problems merely to try and hide from your poor understanding of a language that is clearly not your native language. I don't know why you loathe English speakers so much. It has to be some kind of anti-imperialist sentiment left over from 60 years ago. You definitely do Gandhi a dishonor.


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You are Detective and that has been pointed out going back months. It doesn't help you to speak about yourself in the third person or use different names. It just reinforces your insanity that led you to originally being banned on so many names here by Selina.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 1st January 2013, 5:39pm) *

You are Detective and that has been pointed out going back months. It doesn't help you to speak about yourself in the third person or use different names. It just reinforces your insanity that led you to originally being banned on so many names here by Selina.

Nobody but you has ever accused me of being Retrospect, and that was of course quite a recent development. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it. If you do not, please withdraw this absurd accusation. Everyone else here knows that I'm English, so if you still try to maintain in the teeth of the evidence that I'm Retrospect and that Retrospect is Indian, you have a serious self-contradiction in your beliefs.

It is noteworthy that when Christ Church was an issue in an earlier thread, everyone accepted that I was an alumnus of Christ Church. You had ample opportunity to point out that I was in fact an illiterate Indian, but you did not. Why?

If, as you say, Retrospect is a sock of a banned user here, who is this banned user? I certainly cannot recall anyone else that you alleged was an Indian.

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QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 2nd January 2013, 7:26am) *

Nobody but you has ever accused me of being Retrospect, and that was of course quite a recent development.



I accused you as soon as you started posting again. There are only a handful of people. You are an obvious sock of someone, and that has been well known. Retrospect has been banned at the other site for being Poetlister or, at least, someone similar. It is obvious that you two are the same and not from UK, so not Poetlister. But you are a stupid sock.

If you don't want to have the accusation, put up your Wiki account. The consistent refusals is just evidence of you two being the same faux Brit sock harasser.
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I haven't logged in here for a few weeks. In that time, this site has gone completely to ruin, and it's clear why. This thread was begun with an interesting post that deserved a thoughtful reply, but all that's happened is that Ottava has been posting a load of piffle, stifling sensible discussion and scaring away other contributors. No doubt he will now accuse me of being Indian, too, on the grounds that he (and only he) alleges that I am a sock.

Anyway, ignoring all that, I shall now respond to the first post.

This is a good example of the double standards that pervade Wikipedia. Other examples are the fact that Jimbo's own entry has long been semi-protected when few other BLPs are, the difficulty in getting mention of Rachel Marsden into that article even after dozens of newspapers had reported it, and the lack of articles on people who are associated with WP and the WMF bu tmight be embarrassing, such as Carolyn Doran.
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QUOTE(Jay @ Wed 2nd January 2013, 3:39pm) *

I haven't logged in here for a few weeks. In that time, this site has gone completely to ruin, and it's clear why. This thread was begun with an interesting post that deserved a thoughtful reply


Really, troll?

The thread began with a personal attack on myself and had nothing legitimate to say. You are well known to be a sock, and it is obvious that you are the same sock master.
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The thread began with a personal attack on myself

Wrong; it began with a reference to an interesting article about Jimmy Wales.
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Wrong again, as i proved by giving a reasonable response.
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You are well known to be a sock,

Nobody but you has ever said that, so it is scarcely well known. You are so predictable.
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QUOTE(Jay @ Wed 2nd January 2013, 4:37pm) *

Wrong; it began with a reference to an interesting article about Jimmy Wales.



No. It began with an attack on my use of grammar. You are a piss poor liar.


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Nobody but you has ever said that, so it is scarcely well known. You are so predictable.


It was pointed out when you first started. You never put up a user name because you are a sock.

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