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QUOTE Jon Awbrey Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.April 28th, 2010 at 17:56Barndoor, Horses. Horses, Barndoor. I have to say I was a little shocked to discover this, but apparently they've come up with some kind of Electronic Series Of Tubes (ESOT) that prevents unwanted content from appearing on their, how U say, “Weblog†— maybe Wikipedia could get itself an ESOT, too? Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 28th April 2010, 12:15pm) QUOTE Jon Awbrey Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.April 28th, 2010 at 17:56Barndoor, Horses. Horses, Barndoor. I have to say I was a little shocked to discover this, but apparently they've come up with some kind of Electronic Series Of Tubes (ESOT) that prevents unwanted content from appearing on their, how U say, “Weblog†— maybe Wikipedia could get itself an ESOT, too? Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) I suppose you could always try Erik's Blog to comment. The range of free expression their runs from We Wub You Erik all the way through We Wub You Erik Very Very Much I'm sure Mr. Information-Wants-to-Be-Free welcomes your views.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 28th April 2010, 11:22am) QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 28th April 2010, 12:15pm) QUOTE Jon Awbrey Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.April 28th, 2010 at 17:56Barndoor, Horses. Horses, Barndoor. I have to say I was a little shocked to discover this, but apparently they've come up with some kind of Electronic Series Of Tubes (ESOT) that prevents unwanted content from appearing on their, how U say, “Weblog†— maybe Wikipedia could get itself an ESOT, too? Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Mr. Information-wants-to-be-free is probably wishing wewy wewy hard that certain information about his past opinions, now that he has a good day-job, would remain hidden in the net's nooks and crannies, never be found. Alas, this is not the way the net works. Rectal exam time, Mr. Moeller. And I can't think of a more appropriate patient. Here's a blog with all kinds of Moeller edits AND a link to his defense of non-violent child-porn: http://mashable.com/2008/05/08/erik-moeller-pedophilia/This cite was given by Sanger in his letter to the FBI and cc: to WMF. From which we find that Councillor Godwin actually does do something during the day. Godwin hinted darkly that Sanger saying that Moeller was "well-known for his defense of pedophilia" was perhaps actionable. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Erm, I suppose WP:NLT doesn't apply to Godwin, even when published in the WP:SIGNPOST. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) That would be asking too much. But here's Godwin's full response. Given that Moeller has explicitly defended child porn as being harmess, I'm not sure that it is actionable if somebody says that he's well known for defending pedophilia. He's more well-known all the time (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) . And the rest is splitting a mighty fine hair-- since who else but a pedophile would be interested in child porn?? (Not me, Mr. Godwin (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wik...ger_allegationsHere's a Godwin quote which only Godwin could explain: QUOTE(Godwin) Returning to "community standards", Godwin stated: "There is no evidence in Sanger's message that the community has failed in its efforts to make sure that the content of Wikimedia Commons is legal, at least in the context of the law applicable to Wikimedia Foundation as a hosting provider". The question of who the community is, in this situation, has not been defined. Godwin doesn't help. From here, it looks like Godwin is going to argue that it's anybody BUT whoever anybody else thinks the community is, is the community. The "community" is undefinable. In any case, he says CDA 230 protects WMF as long as they don't originate the material. And he's probably right, although CDA 230 is going to groan and snap eventually, as we alll know. As for Moeller, he's #2 man at WMF on their org chart. Aren't these public background-checks a bitch? Especially when they get to FOX news. Heck, don't you wish you could just block and ban FOX? Alas, WP doesn't control TV or Google. They simply help them in their destructiveness. Usually with no harm to themselves. But what goes around, does tend to come around. I have a "if the glove don't fit you must acquit" slogan for WMF: "The interNET does not forGET." WP has an oversight memory hole. Don't let it influence your view of the rest of the world. All this surely isn't going into any BLP of Moeller on WP any time soon (maybe right after they finish the Doran one-- what do you think?) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 29th April 2010, 1:03am) Mr. Information-wants-to-be-free is probably wishing wewy wewy hard that certain information about his past opinions, now that he has a good day-job, would remain hidden in the net's nooks and crannies, never be found. Alas, this is not the way the net works. Rectal exam time, Mr. Moeller. And I can't think of a more appropriate patient. Here's a blog with all kinds of Moeller edits AND a link to his defense of non-violent child-porn: http://mashable.com/2008/05/08/erik-moeller-pedophilia/This cite was given by Sanger in his letter to the FBI and cc: to WMF. From which we find that Councillor Godwin actually does do something during the day. Godwin hinted darkly that Sanger saying that Moeller was "well-known for his defense of pedophilia" was perhaps actionable. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Erm, I suppose WP:NLT doesn't apply to Godwin, even when published in the WP:SIGNPOST. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) That would be asking too much. But here's Godwin's full response. Given that Moeller has explicitly defended child porn as being harmess, I'm not sure that it is actionable if somebody says that he's well known for defending pedophilia. He's more well-known all the time (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) . And the rest is splitting a mighty fine hair-- since who else but a pedophile would be interested in child porn?? (Not me, Mr. Godwin (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) ) Milton, in the interest of fairness, there really is a translation problem here. What Erik Möller said was that there is no evidence that viewing nonviolent (adult) porn harms youths. At no time did he say anything to the effect that nonviolent child porn was okay. Furthermore, google at times translates "gewaltfrei" (which means "nonviolent") as "violent", e.g. "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of violent porn" reads "bisher kein empirischer Beleg für eine Negativwirkung von gewaltfreien Pornos existiert" in the German original, meaning "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of nonviolent porn". That is not to say that everything he says in the article would be uncontroversial, but it's important to get right what he actually did say. This post has been edited by HRIP7:
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Mon 3rd May 2010, 11:01am) Milton, in the interest of fairness, there really is a translation problem here. What Erik Möller said was that there is no evidence that viewing nonviolent (adult) porn harms youths. At no time did he say anything to the effect that nonviolent child porn was okay. Furthermore, google at times translates "gewaltfrei" (which means "nonviolent") as "violent", e.g. "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of violent porn" reads "bisher kein empirischer Beleg für eine Negativwirkung von gewaltfreien Pornos existiert" in the German original, meaning "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of nonviolent porn". That is not to say that everything he says in the article would be uncontroversial, but it's important to get right what he actually did say. And, what are Erik Moeller's academic/scholarly credentials that makes him an expert in this area? Or, is he an amateur researcher delving into the fascinating subject of adult pornography's effects on children? I have some recollection that Moeller's professional experience is as a freelance journalist, software developer, and project manager. Such an interesting selection, then, for his free time! I suppose an amateur may have missed these sources: QUOTE W. L. Marshall, "The Use of Sexually Explicit Stimuli by Rapists, Child Molesters, and Nonoffenders," The Journal of Sex Research 25, no.2 (May 1988): 267-88. * ...early exposure (under fourteen years of age) to pornography is related to greater involvement in deviant sexual practice, particularly rape. QUOTE K.E. Davis and G.N. Braucht, Exposure to Pornography, Character and Sexual Deviance, Technical Reports of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography (1970), 7. * ...males who are exposed to a great deal of erotica before the age of 14 are more sexually active and engage in more varied sexual behaviors as adults than is true for males not so exposed. QUOTE Interview with Ann Burgess, professor of nursing, University of Pennsylvania, 15 January 1997. "Pornography - Victims and Perpetrators," Symposium on Media Violence & Pornography, Proceedings Resource Book and Research Guide, ed. D. Scott (1984). * ...pornography short-circuits and/or distorts the normal personality development process and supplies misinformation about a child's sexuality, sense of self, and body that leaves the child confused, changed, and damaged. This post has been edited by thekohser:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 3rd May 2010, 4:43pm) QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Mon 3rd May 2010, 11:01am) Milton, in the interest of fairness, there really is a translation problem here. What Erik Möller said was that there is no evidence that viewing nonviolent (adult) porn harms youths. At no time did he say anything to the effect that nonviolent child porn was okay. Furthermore, google at times translates "gewaltfrei" (which means "nonviolent") as "violent", e.g. "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of violent porn" reads "bisher kein empirischer Beleg für eine Negativwirkung von gewaltfreien Pornos existiert" in the German original, meaning "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of nonviolent porn". That is not to say that everything he says in the article would be uncontroversial, but it's important to get right what he actually did say. And, what are Erik Moeller's academic/scholarly credentials that makes him an expert in this area? Or, is he an amateur researcher delving into the fascinating subject of adult pornography's effects on children? I have some recollection that Moeller's professional experience is as a freelance journalist, software developer, and project manager. Such an interesting selection, then, for his free time! I suppose an amateur may have missed these sources: QUOTE W. L. Marshall, "The Use of Sexually Explicit Stimuli by Rapists, Child Molesters, and Nonoffenders," The Journal of Sex Research 25, no.2 (May 1988): 267-88. * ...early exposure (under fourteen years of age) to pornography is related to greater involvement in deviant sexual practice, particularly rape. QUOTE K.E. Davis and G.N. Braucht, Exposure to Pornography, Character and Sexual Deviance, Technical Reports of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography (1970), 7. * ...males who are exposed to a great deal of erotica before the age of 14 are more sexually active and engage in more varied sexual behaviors as adults than is true for males not so exposed. QUOTE Interview with Ann Burgess, professor of nursing, University of Pennsylvania, 15 January 1997. "Pornography - Victims and Perpetrators," Symposium on Media Violence & Pornography, Proceedings Resource Book and Research Guide, ed. D. Scott (1984). * ...pornography short-circuits and/or distorts the normal personality development process and supplies misinformation about a child's sexuality, sense of self, and body that leaves the child confused, changed, and damaged. Möller attended a conference of the Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons as a journalist, to report on the conference. The statement above, "so far there is no empirical evidence to show a negative impact of nonviolent porn", is not Möller's own; he is quoting (approvingly) one Martin Schweer, a "professor of pedagogical psychology", who was one of the speakers at the conference. I've been wondering if I should translate the whole article; except it would probably be 1 or 2 days' work, and that is a bit much. But if there are some passages in the google translation that are of particular interest to anyone, I am happy to oblige. I think I am not the only German speaker here, and another reviewer can check my translation.
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