Larry Sanger: How I started Wikipedia, video Options Rating

[Moulton]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Jimbo, being the King of Denial, will never admit that he destroyed his own monster-baby.

[Web Fred]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Jimbo, being the King of Denial, will never admit that he destroyed his own monster-baby.

Ah, but who lit the blue-touchpaper and retired to a safe distance?

[GlassBeadGame]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Jimbo, being the King of Denial, will never admit that he destroyed his own monster-baby.

I know how to saw a woman in two.
But you won't want to look in box when I'm through.
Warren Zevon, For My Next Trick I'll Need a Volunteer

[SB_Johnny]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Jimbo, being the King of Denial, will never admit that he destroyed his own monster-baby.

Ah, but who lit the blue-touchpaper and retired to a safe distance?

lolwut?

[Larry Sanger]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Well, that will certainly have to wait until current events play out. The narrative is still ongoing. For example, just a few minutes ago, I was blocked..."touched for the very first time...like a viiiiiiirgin..."

Sorry, I'm still giggling at the absurdity of it all.

[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

So when can we expect the "How I destroyed Wikipedia" youtube video?

Well, that will certainly have to wait until current events play out. The narrative is still ongoing. For example, just a few minutes ago, I was blocked..."touched for the very first time...like a viiiiiiirgin..."

Sorry, I'm still giggling at the absurdity of it all.

Glad you're diggin the village of the banned, I know I do.
It beats the hell out of the one King James and his Jimbots have constructed since you left.

[Larry Sanger]

Larry, you said that Citizendium has a governance model based on a Social Contract. Perhaps you can say a few words about that (and provide some links).

I intended to talk more about this, but got sidetracked. Well, basically, we require that our "Citizens" agree to a Statement of Fundamental Policies, soon to be replaced by a Charter.

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Fundamentals
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Charter_drafting

The essay that kicked it off is relevant:
http://www.citizendium.org/essay.html

And so is this essay/speech, which I think might be right up your alley:
http://www.larrysanger.org/newpoliticsofknowledge.html

[Moulton]

Larry, you said that Citizendium has a governance model based on a Social Contract. Perhaps you can say a few words about that (and provide some links).

I intended to talk more about this, but got sidetracked. Well, basically, we require that our "Citizens" agree to a Statement of Fundamental Policies, soon to be replaced by a Charter.

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Fundamentals
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Charter_drafting

The essay that kicked it off is relevant:
http://www.citizendium.org/essay.html

And so is this essay/speech, which I think might be right up your alley:
http://www.larrysanger.org/newpoliticsofknowledge.html

That's very helpful, Larry. Thanks for posting those links.

Have you compared Citizendium's Charter and Terms of Engagement against those of other comparable projects (e.g. Scholarpedia)? If so, have you found any significant differences?

It will take me some time to digest the above materials, but I was arrested (pun intended) by this paragraph in your second essay...

Governments, and everyone else, implicitly recognize that social groups, however new and different, have their own interests and are usually capable of regulating themselves. It is a truly striking thing that people come together from across the globe and, out of their freely donated labor and strings of electrons, form a powerful new corporate body. When they do so—as I have repeatedly observed—they develop a sense of themselves as a group, in which they invest some time and can take some pride, and which they govern by rules.

I am very interested in the self-governance models of online communities, especially where there is a substantial likelihood of recurring conflict among members of the community. You might recall the motto of The WELL -- "Tools not Rules" -- which suggests that a rules and sanctions regulatory model, enforced by some kind of constabulary with due process adapted from concepts found in civil law may not be the only way to go in a collegial and congenial online community. Most people cannot imagine a functional alternate that would displace and improve upon a rules and sanctions regulatory model. I was wondering if you have thought about more enlightened alternative regulatory models than one grounded in rules and sanctions enforced by a constabulary.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Hold on a moment, according to Henry Blodget's of businessinsider.com "leadership series" video, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had the idea for a volunteer written Encyclopedia in 1999.

And the volunteers really "care about quality"!!!

I still think all these capitalists are just sucking up to jimbo to find out how to get their workers to work for free.

[Larry Sanger]

Hold on a moment, according to Henry Blodget's of businessinsider.com "leadership series" video, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had the idea for a volunteer written Encyclopedia in 1999.

And the volunteers really "care about quality"!!!

I still think all these capitalists are just sucking up to jimbo to find out how to get their workers to work for free.

Yo, Jimmy Wales has lied about many things, but actually not this. He had the notion of a free encyclopedia in late 1999, he has always said, which is when he originally registered Nupedia.com, the domain name. He did not of course have "the idea for Wikipedia" then. He had just the vaguest of ideas--an "open source" encyclopedia.

This post has been edited by Larry Sanger: Mon 31st May 2010, 5:57pm

[anthony]

Hold on a moment, according to Henry Blodget's of businessinsider.com "leadership series" video, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had the idea for a volunteer written Encyclopedia in 1999.

And the volunteers really "care about quality"!!!

I still think all these capitalists are just sucking up to jimbo to find out how to get their workers to work for free.

Yo, Jimmy Wales has lied about many things, but actually not this. He had the notion of a free encyclopedia in late 1999, he has always said, which is when he originally registered Nupedia.com, the domain name. He did not of course have "the idea for Wikipedia" then. He had just the vaguest of ideas--an "open source" encyclopedia.

Rick Gates had the notion of a free, volunteer written encyclopedia in 1993.

What I wonder is the relationship between Nupedia and Gnupedia.

March 25, 1999: RMS presents The Free Universal Encyclopedia and Learning Resource to SIGCSE 1999

October 1999: RMS presents The Free Universal Encyclopedia and Learning Resource to the MacArthur Fellows Reunion

October 29, 1999: Jimmy Wales registers nupedia.com and nupedia.org

February 10, 2000: Jimmy Wales [sic] registers gnupedia.com and gnupedia.org

January 17, 2001: The Free Universal Encyclopedia and Learning Resource (GNUPedia) is launched by RMS.

Did Jimmy Wales get the idea from RMS, did RMS get the idea from Jimmy, did they both get the idea from someone else, or is it just a strange coincidence? Did Wales attend SIGCSE 1999? Did he listen to the presentation by RMS? Did someone else who attended one of the presentations later mention the idea to Wales?

This post has been edited by anthony: Mon 31st May 2010, 7:09pm

[thekohser]

And a couple more dates to add to the mix, since it is Henry Blodget fawning over Jimmy:

Early 2000: Blodget personally invested $700,000 in tech stocks, only to lose most of it in the subsequent dot-com bubble bursting and the years that followed.

Early 2003: Blodget charged with civil securities fraud by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

April 28, 2003: Blodget censured and permanently barred from the securities industry by the SEC, and will make a total payment of $4 million to settle the charges against him.