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Email me and I'll send you tons of logs. I already posted up once before where the Wikimedia UK people were using the IRC room for graphic sex talk in violation of Freenode policy and how no one cared because they were all made channel ops without any consent of the chatters or Wiki people (and kicked out anyone who disagreed with their behavior). A good portion of those people, like Tom Morris, have no place in anything to do with a Wiki.

Email me and I'll send you tons of logs. I already posted up once before where the Wikimedia UK people were using the IRC room for graphic sex talk in violation of Freenode policy and how no one cared because they were all made channel ops without any consent of the chatters or Wiki people (and kicked out anyone who disagreed with their behavior). A good portion of those people, like Tom Morris, have no place in anything to do with a Wiki.

Color me shocked that you're an obsessive IRC log collector.

The #wikipedia channel (the one that Ottava compulsively logs) has had absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia for at least six years.

The officialdom will just deny any connection to or control over it, and any log you use to try to prove anything about a specific individual will be deflected with the usual denials ("that log is fabricated" and "you can't prove that was me" are usually fairly early on).

All the dirty secret scheming takes place in private channels that Ottava isn't allowed in.

[00:03] <Ironholds> "I found Reagle's book very interesting as an illustration of how a comparative outsider perceives Wikipedia. The problem I have with it isn't so much the content as the place the book has - it's seen as the work to emulate if you want to write about Wikipedia in an academic setting. And because it contains some inaccuracies - purely, I'm sure, as a result of being written by someone on the outside - we have a real risk of these inaccuracies being repeated"
[00:03] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter, he proposed a breaching experiment
[00:03] <Ironholds> I told him if he tried it, I'd block him; he called me out to sue for threatening him
[00:04] <Fluffernutter> Ironholds: wait, Reagle did? Was this a gendergap thing? It raises a vague memory but I can't call up the details.
[00:06] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter: yup. Plus his paper "free as in sexist" which INFURIATES me
[00:06] <Fluffernutter> oh, that's the one i reviewed i think
[00:06] <Ironholds> he is a narrow-minded beardy fuckwit who understands half of what he's talking about and can communicate maybe a quarter. If you gave me a copy of his book I would choose to eat it before I chose to read it. He thinks that the gendergap is all about gender. Fucking moron

The #wikipedia channel (the one that Ottava compulsively logs) has had absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia for at least six years. All the dirty secret scheming takes place in private channels that Ottava isn't allowed in. Freenode is littered with IRC trolls; they're all over the network. On another channel that I used to frequent there, we had some guy convince the channel ownership that he could "help them fight spammers". Turns out he was a spammer. A lot of these type of people are regulars at #wikipedia because the channel is so laxly policed. And there are running issues with freenode management as well.

In any case, while you can, no doubt, find lots of superficially salacious garbage trolling in that sewer, none of it is of any real value. The officialdom will just deny any connection to or control over it, and any log you use to try to prove anything about a specific individual will be deflected with the usual denials ("that log is fabricated" and "you can't prove that was me" are usually fairly early on).

Oliver Keyes on Reagle Mon Jun 27 12:48:13 2011
[13:02] <Ironholds> If you gave me a choice between doing probate work for a living and being rammed hard from behind by Joseph Reagle. My next question would be "will there be lube?"
[13:02] <quanticle> Ironholds: And if the answer is no?
[13:03] <Ironholds> quanticle: then I would choose Reaglesodomy
[13:03] <quanticle> So, if you'll choose Reaglesodomy either way, then why are you asking the question?
[13:04] <Ironholds> lube is always nice

On Wikipedia Review Mon Jul 04 18:00:22 2011
[18:03] * tommorris wonders if, just by a freak quantum accident, everyone on Wikipedia Review disappeared would anyone actually care?
[18:03] <Dcoetzee> Heh. I don't want the WR people to die :-P
[18:04] <tommorris> and I know that quantum mechanics doesn't work like that. Dcoetzee: that's why I specified disappear.
[18:04] <Dcoetzee> Oh I thought you meant like corporeal vanishing.
[18:04] <tommorris> no, just they suddenly exist in a different area of space-time than the rest of us.
[18:05] <Dcoetzee> If the forum shut down for some reason I don't think anyone would care. There is room for off-site journalistic criticism of Wikipedia, but a site that did that responsibly would look very different.
[18:06] <tommorris> What I don't understand is that it's a free market: if you don't like Wikipedia, instead of wasting time on Wikipedia Review, go and make Citizendium or Knowino or fuck even Conservapedia more awesome
[18:06] <Dcoetzee> I imagine an alternate version of WR where personal attacks and outing are strictly prohibited.
[18:06] <tommorris> It's like if there were a site that spent all its time criticising Python and leaking personal information on Python programmers. Okay, big deal, you don't like Python, well, okay, Java or .NET or C++ exists, go use one of those.
[18:07] <TDJACR> Language wars are silly
[18:07] <Dcoetzee> To be fair, it's kind of hard to compete with WP due to its enormous momentum. And even if you succeed you end up fragmenting the contributors.
It's reasonable to seek to reform WP instead of replace it. WP contributors work towards policy reform all the time.
[18:08] <geniice> tommorris will a number did go to Citizendium. It didn't work out
[18:08] <tommorris> yep, exactly
[18:09] <Dcoetzee> One project I've considered which would probably fail horribly is a version of WP where all contributions are CC0.
[18:09] <KFP> Dcoetzee, tomaw: Well, there is the option of a "soft fork". Er, tommorris. Sorry tomaw.
[18:09] <tommorris> they were arseholes at Citizendium too and they couldn't stand collaboration. It was all "my way or the highway" on anything and they'd disappear after a few months.

It's [i.e. Wikipedia Review is] like if there were a site that spent all its time criticising Python and leaking personal information on Python programmers.

I rather liked this exchange (Tue Jun 28 23:37:23 2011), featuring the perpetually foul-mouthed Ironhold (Oliver Keyes, Community Liaison, Product Development for the Wikimedia Foundation)

. . .

I suspect Ironholds is just trolling. Prof. Reagle is a long-time editor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reagle, since April 2004), knows practically all the Foundation bigwigs, and has spoken at several of the wiki mash-ups--hardly an outsider. Or maybe Ironholds is that much of an idiot . . . .

The laughable thing is that Fae /Haeften is the same person who complained about people canvassing on WR then showing up to vote on WP. Yet the votes on the page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:IRC are all from people who canvassed on IRC and showed up to vote. How do Wikipedians hold these contradictory ideas in their head?

Are you religious, Peter?

My first response was flippant but intended to make a point which I think Peter grokked. However, there's another reason: most of Wikipedia's editors are, intellectually and emotionally, quite immature. They just don't think about these things, because thinking is too much bother. Once they have an answer that satisfies them, that's what they're going with, even if it comes down to "Because Joe said so" (provided that Joe is someone he trusts), and even if that answer is inconsistent with the answer they selected for the last, virtually identical, situation.

Simply put, Peter, your problem is that you think too much.

However, there's another reason: most of Wikipedia's editors are, intellectually and emotionally, quite immature. They just don't think about these things, because thinking is too much bother. Once they have an answer that satisfies them, that's what they're going with, even if it comes down to "Because Joe said so" (provided that Joe is someone he trusts), and even if that answer is inconsistent with the answer they selected for the last, virtually identical, situation.

Simply put, Peter, your problem is that you think too much.

This document appears to state that logging specific channels might result in on-wiki sanctions - at the very least, administrators believe that it is appropriate to sanction for log posting without the approval of all quoted absent other violations. Should the following line (or similar) be added in the policy, somewhere:

It is not a violation of en.wikipedia policies to post logs, though it may result in sanctions on IRC.

Thank you for your comments. Hipocrite (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. Your wishing really, really hard for it An RFC cannot change the fact that publishing people's words on Wikipedia without their permissions is a copyvio, and that the posting of copyvios on Wikipedia is sanctionable on Wikipedia. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

How do the logged channels get around this alleged copyvio problem? Hipocrite (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could also just state in this page that logging is permitted, and use the fact that we have authority over the channels to make it so. Hipocrite (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Well first, that's not what your RFC says, now is it. And second, as we keep pointing out to you, channels like #wikipedia-en are not the property of Wikipedia, and it is not within Wikipedia's purview to declare the void the copyright of people not editing on projects covered under Wikipedia's license. I can cheerfully declare that by posting on Wikipedia, you waive the right to copyright that novel you're writing, or that technical document you're working on for your job, or that world-changing piece of art you're doing in your spare time - but sadly for my wallet, my saying it here doesn't make it true or enforceable. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this condescension really necessary or helpful? Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

You have a point, Salvio. I was going more for humor, since PeterSymonds and I have already explained copyvio/logs to Hipocrite multiple time up above and just repeating the same words was getting monotonous, but it came across nastier than I intended. I've struck the sarcastic bits. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Tendentious, unproductive RfC designed solely to prove a WP:POINT. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Oppose The RFC is flawed, I believe it is against the copyright policy and the WMF privacy policy based on the values that the privacy policy references (as the policy does not specifically discuss IRC). --Fæ (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Oppose This would be a copyvio without the permission of all those in said chat. The channels are not run nor controlled by the WMF so we can't exert control over them in any way shape or form. If they have a rule of no public log posting that is up to them to decide. -DJSasso (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Question - copyright wise, is there a difference between publishing the logs vs. "making the logs available upon request", as in if Hypocrite logs it, and then I email him for it and he sends me a transcript? Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Oppose per Tom and my prior comment on the matter. Killiondude (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you support the claim made in that comment with diffs?Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:55, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Oppose The main issue I have with this proposal is that public logs have the potential to contain information that would be covered by oversight. This is mainly IP addresses of those without cloaks, something that can definitely be logged (my private logs contain such information). From time to time there are also other forms of personally identifiable information which people may (inadvertently or otherwise) post on IRC. Without public logging this isn't a huge problem because the information will cease to be in the public domain after a short period; however with public logging outing is significantly more likely. The potential privacy breaches that public logging on Wikipedia would mean suggests that the proposed statement would be false (as it would in fact be a violation of Wikipedia policies). --Mrmatiko (talk) 18:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Oppose. Posting logs is a violation of copyright, it's been discussed many times in the past, it was always declined. I see no argument put forward in this RFC as to *why* releasing logs is or would be beneficial. There is no formal relation between the English Wikipedia and the irc channels in question, and not even between the WMF and the irc channels. Snowolf How can I help? 19:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
comment how many people turned up to vote here because they heard about this on IRC? Be honest. I recognise at least two regulars above. 86.168.249.27 (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

...I've had this page on my watchlist for years. Perhaps people interested in IRC will have the project page on Wikipedia on their watchlists? But yes, I'm sure there will have been people who come here because it's chatter on irc. Killiondude (talk) 19:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

What is the supersecret admin channel these days?

Hi Selina! Please, PLEASE go and pay up the DNS listing for WR for a few years.

Unless you know how to hack into private channels on Freenode, don't bother.
They are ADHD dorks, even the channel name gets changed several times a day.

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth’s final century,

free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality,

but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism.

Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

This administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but with those who seek it to be known.

The mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it.

Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.

This page attempts to track and identify the numerous Wikimedia IRC channels (most of which are on the freenode network)

Contents

• 1 Channel policies
• 2 Wikimedia
  • 2.1 Foundation
  • 2.2 Chapters
  • 2.3 Crosswiki access coordination
• 3 Projects
  • 3.1 Project channels
    • 3.1.1 Wikipedia
    • 3.1.2 Other projects
  • 3.2 Specific projects
    • 3.2.1 en.wikipedia
    • 3.2.2 es.wikipedia
    • 3.2.3 it.wikipedia
    • 3.2.4 zh.wikipedia
  • 3.3 Other
• 4 Recent changes
  • 4.1 Raw feeds
  • 4.2 Filtered rc
  • 4.3 Abuse monitoring channels
• 5 Non-Wikimedia
  • 5.1 General
  • 5.2 Tools

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IRC_admin_channel is the last of the multitude of places where this has been discussed. Many ArbCom members took part in these discussions.
[..]
ArbCom recognized that the channel has an evil side
[..]
No examples have been given for inherently confidential "Admin-only" issues to this day, while the very confidentiality of the "Admin-only" channel has been proven to be the reason of several abusive actions. 'The illusion of confidentiality created an illusion of impunity among certain regulars of the channel which resulted in severe offenses, gross incivility, violations of the WP:BLOCKing policies and other malaise.
In view of this, ArbCom is asked to rule whether there is any justification to have the said channel associated with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia foundation.
The decision to shut down the channel, if rendered, would not in any way violate its members' freedom of speech. Nothing prevents the small group of people most closely associated with the channel from communicating in a private medium.
[..]
Reject, community policy issue. http://wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder
Reject. I don't believe this is within Arbcom's purview. [..]http://wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jpgordon

up-to-date userlist using the following command on any freenode IRC connection: /msg chanserv access #wikipedia-en-admins list (warning: ~430 lines long!).

Contents

• 1 Privacy and last update
• 2 Active channel management
  • 2.1 Channel contact
  • 2.2 SuperOps
  • 2.3 Operators
• 3 Inactive channel management
  • 3.1 Inactive SuperOps
  • 3.2 Inactive Operators
• 4 Complete list of admins
• 5 Contacts
• 6 See also

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[16:55] <hf25>
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[17:01] <vvv> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143
[17:01] <vvv> This should surely go to our SOPA pages
[17:01] <vvv> People have been asking about how they can act in the UK
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[17:02] <gmaxwell> vvv: that looks good.. only 3.7k signatures.
[17:02] <FT2> that one got discussed last night
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[17:03] <vvv> What was the decision?
[17:03] <FT2> "heart's in the right place, wording could be improved". SOme UK Wikimedians were working on a version to suggest too
[17:03] <FT2> will try to find a link
[17:03] <vvv> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27728
[17:04] <gmaxwell> even when the plackout is over that should get added to the page that will be in the residual banner.
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[17:05] <FT2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action/UK_petition
[17:05] <FT2> I put a petition wording on comcom-l, someone adapted it for the UK
[17:06] <FT2> dont know how far it got or anything
[17:06] <FT2> a moment
[17:06] <bep> usenet sites also… contributing
[17:06] <bep> http://i.imgur.com/ejP5D.png
[17:07] <FT2> "Okay, well I've submitted the petition as written. It may still not be approved for days, though, which is a bit of an issue. - Jarry1250"
[17:08] <apergos> nice
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[17:08] <apergos> someone should have an art gallery with some of the most promiment and/or most inventive blackouts
[17:08] <Titoxd> apergos: I prefer the Oatmeal's
[17:09] <Reedy> "I just heard from @EFF that as of a few hours ago blacklist.eff.org has orchestrated 750,000+ unique emails to Congress"
[17:09] <apergos> does anyone need anything from me in the next little while? cause otherwise it's midnight and I'm going to call it a day.
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[17:09] <apergos> Titoxd: yeah, that was pretty darn funny. (I do it for the kittens, myself.)
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[17:10] <gmaxwell> apergos: I thought the 2600 blackout was really good but it wasn't very artsy. It has clear crisp message on an absolutely minimal page.
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[17:10] <apergos> that's a fine reason to include it (I thought it was "artsy" in that it reflected a clear 2600 esthetic)
[17:10] <hf25> Risker!
[17:11] <Risker> hi hf25
[17:11] <hf25> Arbs never seem to use IRC
[17:11] <hf25> Hi
[17:11] <hf25>
[17:11] <Risker> hf25, I am one of the few who does...although usually only in the admins channel
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[17:12] <Risker> things are looking pretty good, the site didn't explode or anything
[17:12] <sgardner> Fluffernutter: yes to a postmortem! If somebody wants to start a meta page, that would be superb. A good format for that kind of thing is to focus on next time -- "keep doing X," "stop doing Y," and "start doing Z."
[17:12] <sgardner> Fluffernutter: if you start a page, I will contribute :-)
[17:12] * Fluffernutter nominates someone with organizational skills to do it. Which isn't me >_>
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[17:12] <Risker> you can do it, Fluff.
[17:13] * Fluffernutter also doesn't have access to any of the data, really...
[17:13] * Fluffernutter looks shifty, tries to scurry out the door
[17:13] <gmaxwell> Fluffernutter: you nag people for it, of course.
[17:13] <Fluffernutter> hey, gmaxwell, you should go start a meta page! say, a postmortem sort of thing!
[17:13] <gmaxwell> I have about e free cycles.

[16:53] <STFUAboutSOPA> i think it was on reddit, actually
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[16:53] <Thogo> that word probably means a lot of things in some of the 7000 languages.
[16:53] <Fluffernutter> Sopa apparently means "shut up" in greek, or so someone told me
[16:54] <pir^2|SOPA|PIPA> o rly?
[16:54] <SOPA_Must_Die> How appropriate
[16:54] <Commandhat> pretty much everyone knows "sopa" is spanish for "soup"
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[16:54] <yrtneg> yeap
[16:54] <henrik> Fluffernutter: and "thrash" in Swedish.
[16:54] <hf25> also
[16:54] <SOPA_Must_Die> FOr a censorship bill
[16:54] <yrtneg> NO IT'S LOSER
[16:54] <tjf> http://youtu.be/1p-TV4jaCMk
[16:54] <pir^2|SOPA|PIPA> ...
[16:54] <yrtneg> oh thats what minecraft says
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[16:54] * pir^2|SOPA|PIPA hates this nick
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[16:55] <yrtneg> pir^2|SOPA|PIPA: change nick to "pirSOPA"
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[16:55] <AVRS> In Russian "pipa"/"pipka"/"pipochka" is something small that stands out, like a round button (or something LED-shaped)
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[16:56] <Thogo> XD
[16:56] <AVRS> can be used as a light euphemism
[16:56] * hf25 purrs. Soup.
[16:56] <yrtneg> I like trains.
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[16:56] <Yumi-chan> Do I get brownie points for accessing Wikipedia web archives?
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[16:56] <yrtneg> *train kills everyine*
[16:56] <AdditionalPylons> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5e6eG6bXAQ
[16:56] <AVRS> Apparently there is a bunch of homonyms: [[ru:????]]
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[16:57] <AVRS> It has interwiki to [[Pipa (disambiguation)]]
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[16:57] <AVRS> and other Pipa's
[16:58] <yrtneg> apiP?
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[16:59] <AVRS> I asked because on TV they mentioned the funny name. Maybe it's one of the ways of the law namers to divert the attention…
[16:59] <yrtneg> NOOOOOOOOOOO
[16:59] <AVRS> ?
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[17:00] <yrtneg> #minecraft is down
[17:00] <yrtneg> I don't know how to remove water
[17:01] <kd3|netbook> empty buckets? fill the area with sand?
[17:01] <pirSOPA> "area"
[17:01] <AdditionalPylons> Too bad admins can't edit
[17:01] <AdditionalPylons> They could clear some serious backlogs during this blackout
[17:01] <pirSOPA> lol
[17:01] <yrtneg> kd3|netbook: ok
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[17:01] <AdditionalPylons> lmao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV
[17:01] <Damianz> Dunno, the bots are enjoying their day off.
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[17:01] <AdditionalPylons> There's still a person on there
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[17:02] <AdditionalPylons> Also, >.> (User creation log); 08:02 . . Prodego (talk | contribs)? created new account User:SOPAonWheels! (BECAUSE I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE)
[17:02] <hf25>
[17:02] <hf25> I saw that
[17:02] <Shirik> haha
[17:02] <Prodego> AdditionalPylons: sadly they killed my workaround that would have let me move pages
[17:02] <AdditionalPylons> haha
[17:02] <hf25> !crat
[17:03] <hf25> Hmm.
[17:03] <AdditionalPylons> Is that even a stalk word?
[17:03] <hf25> no
[17:03] <yrtneg> no
[17:03] <hf25>
[17:03] <Prodego> not really, crats don't usually use IRC
[17:03] <hf25> Prodego, can you still block people?
[17:03] <Prodego> hf25: no
[17:03] <hf25> aww
[17:03] <Snowolf> It is a stalkword but not by crats
[17:03] <Keiya> Heh, why is account creation still usable?
[17:03] <Snowolf> it's for me to mock you for using it.
[17:03] <Prodego> rev delete, edit abusefilter, use special:nuke, create accounts
[17:03] <Keiya> Oh, wait, central login >_>
[17:03] <Prodego> that's about it
[17:03] <AdditionalPylons> lol
[17:04] <Prodego> oh and change userrights
[17:04] <Commandhat> special:nuke: o_o
[17:04] <Commandhat> er
[17:04] <Commandhat> special:nuke? o_o
[17:04] <Prodego> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[17:04] <hf25> accoutn greation wroks for asdmins only
[17:04] <hf25> It fotld me I coulnt'; use it
[17:04] <hf25> TYPOS
[17:04] <yrtneg> o.o
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[17:04] <Commandhat> OH WHAT
[17:04] <hf25> *account *creation *works *admins *told *couldn't
[17:04] * Aranda56 nukes Prodego
[17:04] <yrtneg> NAAAAA
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[17:05] <Commandhat> I have noscript disabling scripts and wikipedia is giving me the blackout notice
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[17:05] <Prodego> Commandhat: well then javascript isn't totally disabled
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[17:06] <yrtneg> huh
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[17:07] <Yumi-chan> just use web archives
[17:07] <Yumi-chan> lol
[17:07] <Yumi-chan> if you're so desperate
[17:07] <hoo> or ?action=render
[17:07] <Commandhat> I'm not desperate :v
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[17:07] <Commandhat> I have no work to do
[17:07] <hoo> (append that to the url)
[17:07] <Yumi-chan> I am desperate
[17:08] <Submarine> Commandhat, works for me
[17:08] <hf25> or ?banner=none
[17:08] <Yumi-chan> have a report due at 2100
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[17:08] <RandIter> 21:00 moon time
[17:09] <pakaran> Yumi-chan, i'm a phd student. i've also been a sysop on wikipedia since 2003, and a crat since 2004 or '5. i still wouldn't cite it for anything academic.
[17:09] <pakaran> but that's me.
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[17:09] <RandIter> that's not the point
[17:09] <pakaran> (I wouldn't cite any other tertiary source either, except under very specific circumstances)
[17:09] <RandIter> yes I'd never cite anything but an original source
[17:09] <RandIter> typically
[17:09] <vallor> yes
[17:09] <vallor> and wikipedia articles have footnotes
[17:09] <vallor> like, duh

Your URLs point to www.en.wikipedia.org, which I assume is incorrect.

Links to the GNAA site wordfilter into links to Wikipedia here on WR. Why that is, I don't know, but I assume the staff must have a reason.