What is Cirt's Deal?, Did a Google Search for Cirt and Wikipedia and was shocked Options

[rockyBarton]

I have had a few encounters with an admin named Cirt who struck me as really territorial about certain articles. Curious, I did a Google search "Cirt wikipedia" and came up with several threads on this board. After having read them and I am shocked at the history of this editor and left wondering how someone like this can be an adminstrator.

Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?

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[Kelly Martin]

Probably just someone who is living off of unearned income (trust fund, settlement annuity, inheritance, or some sort of public pension). We see a lot of that on Wikipedia: socially marginal individuals who are not required to work due to their circumstances, and who fill their otherwise meaningless lives with social maneuvering in the WikiSphere. Many of them have deeply held, often strange, belief systems which they use Wikipedia to express.

Not that this necessarily describes Cirt. But it might.

[A Horse With No Name]

I have had a few encounters with an admin named Cirt who struck me as really territorial about certain articles. Curious, I did a Google search "Cirt wikipedia" and came up with several threads on this board. After having read them and I am shocked at the history of this editor and left wondering how someone like this can be an adminstrator.

You can blame Durova, who pushed this horrible editor to adminship. And blame the "community" for giving adminship to someone who was blocked seven times under a number of different account names (and that only came out while the RfA was in progress!).

Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?

Compared to Blofeld, Cirt is a slacker.

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

Paid, perhaps. More than one person, no.

Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?

No, they usually award barnstars for such behavior.

[Nerd]

Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?

It's kinda hard to become an admin if you edit less than that.

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?

No, I never have. It's fairly normal on Wikipedia. And no, no rules. As the horse said, it's encouraged in the form of barnstars and adminship is the grand prize.

[rockyBarton]

Probably just someone who is living off of unearned income (trust fund, settlement annuity, inheritance, or some sort of public pension). We see a lot of that on Wikipedia: socially marginal individuals who are not required to work due to their circumstances, and who fill their otherwise meaningless lives with social maneuvering in the WikiSphere. Many of them have deeply held, often strange, belief systems which they use Wikipedia to express.

Not that this necessarily describes Cirt. But it might.

I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0


Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?

[Nerd]

I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0


Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?

Uh, what's wrong with that?

[carbuncle]

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

Paid, perhaps. More than one person, no.

Do you think someone would create something as promotional as [[Corbin Fisher]] for free? And that's not a rhetorical question - I really don't know.

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[Somey]

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

It looks like you've been trying to add things to the List of new religious movements (T-H-L-K-D), but Mr. Cirt (T-C-L-K-R-D) has been resisting these due to his apparent belief that groups he considers to be cults should not be treated as "religious movements"?

Presumably Mr. Cirt's bad-faith assumption is that you're trying to promote one such group in particular, and adding numerous groups to the list in order to cover for it... That actually does work sometimes, but if that is indeed what you're doing, it's usually best to make all your additions in one edit, with carefully-checked formatting and citations (i.e., no mistakes) - it reduces the likelihood of immediate reversion.

[rockyBarton]

I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0


Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?

Uh, what's wrong with that?

I guest what I think is wrong is that they can have such an obsesive agenda driven behavior and still be in a position to block people.

Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia

They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.

[A Horse With No Name]

I guest what I think is wrong is that they can have such an obsesive agenda driven behavior and still be in a position to block people.

Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia

They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.

I am surprised Cirt hasn't run for Arbcom yet. I suspect that he's fat enough for the job, if all he does is sit around playing on Wikipedia. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Say, does anyone know who Cirt is off-Wiki? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[rockyBarton]

Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?

It looks like you've been trying to add things to the List of new religious movements (T-H-L-K-D), but Mr. Cirt (T-C-L-K-R-D) has been resisting these due to his apparent belief that groups he considers to be cults should not be treated as "religious movements"?

Presumably Mr. Cirt's bad-faith assumption is that you're trying to promote one such group in particular, and adding numerous groups to the list in order to cover for it... That actually does work sometimes, but if that is indeed what you're doing, it's usually best to make all your additions in one edit, with carefully-checked formatting and citations (i.e., no mistakes) - it reduces the likelihood of immediate reversion.

I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups. Now I am shocked at what Cirt is able to get away with.

[A Horse With No Name]

I don't have a horse in that race.

What am I, chopped liver? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

[Nerd]

Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia

They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.

Sorry, I don't follow. How does that mean they have abused adminship? Admins are meant to do that sort of thing.

[Somey]

I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups.

Well, bear in mind that the standard Wikipedian reaction to that will be "that's what they all say," and that Cirt might well be doing the same thing himself - either promoting a favored group or targeting an unfavored one, by lumping it in with others that are in some way similar. Someone who does this himself/herself is much more likely to notice and suspect others of doing the same thing, often without even realizing it, and often non-justifiably.

The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.

[A Horse With No Name]

The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.

Take a look at the articles that Cirt created: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/inde...cts=noredirects

It appears that Mr. Cirt is a journalist or publicist or both. The average Wikipediot would not create articles about the Sunday Magazine Editors Association, Portland Monthly, and the San Jose Mercury News West Magazine. I suspect he is doing PR work for Corbin Fisher and the lady who wrote the bacon book -- the writing is too complex and sophisticated for the average hobbyist.

Ditto articles such as Leaving Springfield, The Official Razzie Movie Guide and Twisted Scriptures. My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.

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[Somey]

My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.

So is the anti-cult activity a cover for the PR work, then? I'm not saying the anti-cult activity is bad, of course - quite to the contrary - but if I were a publicist and wanted to gain the trust of the WP community, knowing their general dislike of other cults, that would be at or near the top of my list for ways to gain a reputation among them.

[A Horse With No Name]

My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.

So is the anti-cult activity a cover for the PR work, then? I'm not saying the anti-cult activity is bad, of course - quite to the contrary - but if I were a publicist and wanted to gain the trust of the WP community, knowing their general dislike of other cults, that would be at or near the top of my list for ways to gain a reputation among them.

I suspect the anti-cult stuff is Cirt's own obsession. If he was just focused on that, then he would be yet another OCD case using Wikipedia in order to vent his frustrations.

In reading his articles, it is obvious that Cirt is a professional writer. The articles are much too polished for an amateur site, and there are tricks in his writing that any fellow pen-pusher will immediately recognize.

Cirt doesn't need the trust of the WP "community" -- he gamed the system via Durova and he has what he needs in the way of tools. But I will wager he is not on WP because of the community -- he is obviously getting paid to ensure those articles get online and stay there.

[carbuncle]

My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.

Kinda looks that way doesn't it? Let me know if anyone takes your bet.

[Somey]

In reading his articles, it is obvious that Cirt is a professional writer. The articles are much too polished for an amateur site, and there are tricks in his writing that any fellow pen-pusher will immediately recognize.

Agreed; these articles definitely go beyond mere fandom. But my initial point still stands: Everything really does taste better with bacon, no matter how you slice it. (I prefer thick-cut, myself!) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/letsgetdrunk.gif)

[Cedric]

Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.

Bacon!

(IMG:http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric/bacon.png)

Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Wherrrrrrrrrre?!

I can't reeeeeeeeead!