Shalom, Weiss? you say goodbye, WP says hello hello...., Gary can't quit you, WP.... Options

[Somey]

Wikipedia is just not equipped to deal with the argument that "Weiss should not be here because he is trying to destroy the free market system and ruin my company's business" any more than Wikipedia can choose sides on the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, Macedonia, or Pallywood.

Well then, it should get itself "equipped," don't you think?

Byrne and Bagley don't have to keep Weiss in check any more than ScienceApologist has to keep homeopaths in check or the IDCAB has to keep IDers in check.

Of course they do - for the same reason Weiss does. They're protecting their livelihoods. If Wikipedia content didn't threaten their livelihoods, they wouldn't be doing this shit. That I can guarantee you!

When people appoint themselves as defenders of the ONE TRUTH (whatever it may be for them), they often get into trouble.

With who? You?

[WordBomb]

...Tom Sykes on Kos....

You realize that "Tom Sykes" is Weiss, right? And that most of the bloggers he links to in his "diaries" are also Weiss?

Byrne may be a right-winger, but there's nothing particularly right-wing about the effort to stop NSS. Weiss is engaging in nothing more than sock puppetry and character assassination. I doubt that Mr. Bagley and Mr. Byrne have even 1/20th the number of active accounts on various websites now that Weiss has, and that's a conservative estimate.

Weiss accuses Byrne of stock fraud on his blog as Sykes. Byrne may be a nice guy for all I know, but Bagley has again used unethical and possibly illegal means to ID him. When the IP allegedly belonging to Weiss edited the Michael Miliken to remove negative information, he was reverted by an IP from Nevada, 71.83.125.186 (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who is probably Judd Bagley, adding negative information to multiple BLPs sourced to his own blog investigation. I just wish both of them would leave Wikipedia alone and take their shit elsewhere.

Don't worry. Utah is still not Nevada, and I have no desire to improve your silly encyclopedia. So cram it.

In this case Bagley says he used javascript code to capture Weiss' user name, email address and IP address. (That also means, presumably, he captured the same information for everyone who read the message containing the embedded code.) To me, this is unethical, and it also appears to be a violation of Yahoo!'s TOS (see para 6a). I don't know whether or not it is illegal as "Sykes" yells on his blog. If Yahoo Finance visibly tagged every post with its IP address (as some boards do), it would be a different matter.

What "Sykes" said happened was he was sent a Yahoo search link from "Dangelo" that returned the following two results.

Byrne is a gold shill

O'Byrne gold whore

Now normally if you try to use html in yahoo group posts it will display as plain text. However, if those posts are displayed in search results the markup works. In this case the results window will automatically load an image from antisocialmedia and run an activemeter script if you have js enabled.

Circle gets the square. This is one of the cooler exploits on Yahoo Finance I've discovered.

[EricBarbour]

Wikipedia is just not equipped to deal with the argument that "Weiss should not be here because he is trying to destroy the free market system and ruin my company's business" any more than Wikipedia can choose sides on the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, Macedonia, or Pallywood.

Well then, it should get itself "equipped," don't you think?

Ya know, Thatcher, people keep telling me what an upright, honest and good administrator you are.

In which case, here's a red-hot example of why Wikipedia needs major reforms.
No matter which side you take in this Weiss/Bagley nonsense, regardless of
whether Bagley is a conservative and Weiss is a liberal or whatever,
it should not be happening at all, period. Are you agreed or not?

So, if you're the good upstanding Wiki-citizen that everyone says you are.....
start pushing for reform. You could start with changes to make sockpuppeting
more difficult. Require some minimal kind of identification verification to allow
editing access. It's not censorship, it's user management.

(Lotsa luck. Most admins appear to be socking right along with Weiss, on a variety
of subjects that interest them personally. An example that came to light today.
If you can't push for reform of this, you and they are fundamentally no better
than Weiss. Sorry to give you that bad news.)

This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Fri 31st July 2009, 11:01pm

[Cla68]

By the way, Weiss just attacked Byrne again on his blog.

[Somey]

By the way, Weiss just attacked Byrne again on his blog.

The man's gone completely off the deep end. He still thinks the SEC is going to prosecute Patrick Byrne for some metaphorical, and probably jocular, comment he made in a conference call four years ago?

I fear his Wikipedia experience has not done much to improve his psychological well-being.

[WordBomb]

By the way, Weiss just attacked Byrne again on his blog.

The man's gone completely off the deep end. He still thinks the SEC is going to prosecute Patrick Byrne for some metaphorical, and probably jocular, comment he made in a conference call four years ago?

Particularly when everything Patrick predicted in that call has since proven accurate. Weiss is so far over the edge I seriously almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.

I just nailed Weiss sockpuppeting on DailyKos.com. It's a very familiar story. The one difference is that, unlike on Wikipedia, when confronted with the evidence, Kos banned Weiss immediately.

[EricBarbour]

I just nailed Weiss sockpuppeting on DailyKos.com. It's a very familiar story. The one difference is that, unlike on Wikipedia, when confronted with the evidence, Kos banned Weiss immediately.

And I went and tried to post it on his blog as a comment. Bet it never sees light of day.

Perhaps you guys should take up a collection to buy Gary some reasonably strong
antipsychotics.....it would be the humane thing to do.

[CharlotteWebb]

but rather go around shouting, "Smith is BAD, get rid of him."

Sorry, who was "Smith" again? Somebody told me once, but I forgot.

[Mike R]

but rather go around shouting, "Smith is BAD, get rid of him."

Sorry, who was "Smith" again? Somebody told me once, but I forgot. :P

raul=smith, banned user=scibaby

[Cla68]

JohnnyB256 appears determined to ensure that no mention of the recent Register article on Byrne and Weiss makes it into Wikipedia. At first, he cited BLP concerns, but would not allow mention of the source in an edit which didn't mention anyone by name (notice in the edit summary that he sneaks in an insult for Bagley). Here is his response to my question about whether he might be acquainted with Gary Weiss or not.

[Somey]

Here[/url] is his response to my question about whether he might be acquainted with Gary Weiss or not.

Well, at least he doesn't just blank the entry when asked by an AnonIP 80 minutes later... That's the nice thing about ol' Gary, he's always looking out for the "little guy"!

Actually, by the time most people read this, he will have blanked it.

[Cla68]

Here[/url] is his response to my question about whether he might be acquainted with Gary Weiss or not.

Well, at least he doesn't just blank the entry when asked by an AnonIP 80 minutes later... That's the nice thing about ol' Gary, he's always looking out for the "little guy"!

Actually, by the time most people read this, he will have blanked it.

I want to start a Wikipedia article on Deep Capture, but I need more than just the Register article as a source to justify it. All I can find in Google searches are mentions in blogs. If anyone has any other reliable sources, please let me know. Once the article is started, I'll of course link to it from Patrick Byrne's bio and will be interested how JohnnyB265 reacts.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Wed 9th September 2009, 7:40am

[Piperdown]

Those interested in the neverending rest of the story will enjoy this new wordy bomb. And it doesn't even mention good ol' Gary even once (shocking!), but does feature his wikidiki kiwi partner, johnny hemp. Who ironically is actually a player, not just a has-been ex-journalist.

http://www.deepcapture.com/the-stories-beh...-lawsuit-story/

The Facebook material word puts up is a new twist. And since he'd already featured WP on an earlier movie, no mention of it here. This movie is probably there to go with the articles out today featuring a lawsuit settlement that plugs deepcapture a bit.

That Word is good....he's very very good....

And WP's favorite scribe, Cade, has some interesting input:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/ov...k_settles_suit/

[Somey]

That Word is good....he's very very good....

True, but he should put the journalists and hedge-fund managers in differently-shaped (or colored) boxes, to accentuate the intermingling effect (given that that's the whole point of the exercise). Also, I think he misspelled the word "complicit" in there somewhere...

[Milton Roe]

Don't worry. Utah is still not Nevada, and I have no desire to improve your silly encyclopedia. So cram it.

Right. It's southern Idaho that is actually Utah.

[Cla68]

Those interested in the neverending rest of the story will enjoy this new wordy bomb. And it doesn't even mention good ol' Gary even once (shocking!), but does feature his wikidiki kiwi partner, johnny hemp. Who ironically is actually a player, not just a has-been ex-journalist.

http://www.deepcapture.com/the-stories-beh...-lawsuit-story/

The Facebook material word puts up is a new twist. And since he'd already featured WP on an earlier movie, no mention of it here. This movie is probably there to go with the articles out today featuring a lawsuit settlement that plugs deepcapture a bit.

That Word is good....he's very very good....

And WP's favorite scribe, Cade, has some interesting input:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/ov...k_settles_suit/

A new editor removed the Register story and rewrote the part about Copper Trading in the Overstock.com article.

[Piperdown]

A new editor removed the Register story and rewrote the part about Copper Trading in the Overstock.com article.

AmishPete, the amazingl born again SPA POV Warrior on the Byrne/Ostock/NSS saga really really doesn't like Mr. Byrne, lol.

14:24, 9 December 2009 (hist | diff) Overstock.com ‎ (→Board of Directors: Dr. titles only used for medical doctors)

Johnny is not a fan of Cla68. Go figure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=330685874

He's concerned about his neutrality, lol. Johnny's about as neutral as a neutron wordbomb.

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Wed 9th December 2009, 9:32pm

[Piperdown]

A new editor removed the Register story and rewrote the part about Copper Trading in the Overstock.com article.

AmishPete, the amazingl born again SPA POV Warrior on the Byrne/Ostock/NSS saga really really doesn't like Mr. Byrne, lol.

14:24, 9 December 2009 (hist | diff) Overstock.com ‎ (→Board of Directors: Dr. titles only used for medical doctors)

Johnny is not a fan of Cla68. Go figure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=330685874

He's concerned about his neutrality, lol. Johnny's about as neutral as a neutron wordbomb.

And again, Johnny is just not satisfied with Cla68's example. This protesttoomuch is written by Johnny Hempton, timesharing with Gawy on the B256 alias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=330743405

Oh, whatever is Cla68 to do to satisfy JohnnyB256? That must occur before Charles can be crowned. One must satisfy "Johnny". Kiss his ring, Chas! His neutrality, editing skilz, self-control, and wise judgment are beyond the scope of your lowly self....and besides, David Gerard said you're not really there to write an encyclopedia, so there it is.

Have you considered kissing Mike Godwin's ass? He and Jimbo sure don't like you much. Something about not being a bullshitter. Qualifications must be in order. Maybe Fred can put in a good word.

[One]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/ov...k_settles_suit/

That's not a big settlement...

[Cla68]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/ov...k_settles_suit/

That's not a big settlement...

Want to make a wager on how long the edit will remain if I try again to add that Register article as a source to either the Overstock or Byrne articles?

This post has been edited by Cla68: Thu 10th December 2009, 5:33am