LGBT POV push RFC on BLP Options

[Doc glasgow]

I really find this unbelievable.


Jonny Weir is a skater who has repeatedly refused to comment on his sexuality - describing it as nobody's business.

So, nothing verifiable to say about it, in our factual neutral encyclopaedia? You'd have thought so. Except that they can get this in under "verifiable speculation". Tabloids talk about it, so that just justifies an encyclopedia regurgitating unverified tittle-tattle. There then follows an edit war involving various LGBT project wikipedians to keep even more in.

The same project also bags Weir with a Wikiproject tag labelling him as falling within the scope of project LGBT.

(Remember this is a guy who doesn't want to comment on his sexuality)

There follows a reasonable objection that labelling the guy with such a project banner, when he himself does not want labelled by his sexuality (whatever that sexuality might be - and it could be heterosexual, I suppose) is inappropriate.

Ah no, how can labelling someone as of LGBT interest be objectionable??? Sounds homophobic??

Follows an edit war, and now an RFC poll on the article talk page to decide the fate of the banner.

I mean, how the f*** can wikipedia claim it deals sensitively with its subjects sticking only to verifiable content, when it takes an article of a guy who doesn't want to talk about his sexuality and has a visible inhouse fight on the talk page about whether to smite his article with a LGBT tag, simply because project tags matter to wikipedians?????

I mean what on earth is the benefit of wikiprojects tagging tens of thousands of articles, and how on earth does that benefit outweigh offering any respect whatsoever to the subject, nevermind the time of wikipedians debating this trash?

They call this NPOV and BLP compliant? N

No, this is a pathetically lame ideological war over semantics and sod the subject.

This post has been edited by Doc glasgow: Wed 24th February 2010, 11:28pm

[Zoloft]

Doc I entirely agree with you, but the last line of your post is unintentionally hilarious.

[NotARepublican55]

I really find this unbelievable.


Jonny Weir is a skater who has repeatedly refused to comment on his sexuality - describing it as nobody's business.

So, nothing verifiable to say about it, in our factual neutral encyclopaedia? You'd have thought so. Except that they can get this in under "verifiable speculation". Tabloids talk about it, so that just justifies an encyclopedia regurgitating unverified tittle-tattle. There then follows an edit war involving various LGBT project wikipedians to keep even more in.

The same project also bags Weir with a Wikiproject tag labelling him as falling within the scope of project LGBT.

(Remember this is a guy who doesn't want to comment on his sexuality)

There follows a reasonable objection that labelling the guy with such a project banner, when he himself does not want labelled by his sexuality (whatever that sexuality might be - and it could be heterosexual, I suppose) is inappropriate.

Ah no, how can labelling someone as of LGBT interest be objectionable??? Sounds homophobic??

Follows an edit war, and now an RFC poll on the article talk page to decide the fate of the banner.

I mean, how the f*** can wikipedia claim it deals sensitively with its subjects sticking only to verifiable content, when it takes an article of a guy who doesn't want to talk about his sexuality and has a visible inhouse fight on the talk page about whether to smite his article with a LGBT tag, simply because project tags matter to wikipedians?????

I mean what on earth is the benefit of wikiprojects tagging tens of thousands of articles, and how on earth does that benefit outweigh offering any respect whatsoever to the subject, nevermind the time of wikipedians debating this trash?

They call this NPOV and BLP compliant? N

No, this is a pathetically lame ideological war over semantics and sod the subject.

I think this has been discussed in at least 2 other threads.

[Cedric]

Doc I entirely agree with you, but the last line of your post is unintentionally hilarious.

I find the title of this thread ("LGBT POV push RFC on BLP") to also be unintentionally hilarious. Sounds like a headline in Variety.

[EricBarbour]

I find the title of this thread ("LGBT POV push RFC on BLP") to also be unintentionally hilarious. Sounds like a headline in Variety.

No, it sounds like a new kind of sexual fetish.
(Or sexually-transmitted disease. As if there was a difference.)

In case it has not been said in so many words:
Benjiboi is a slimy, evil little bastard.

So far I see 9 to endorse, 5 to oppose. Endorsees include flakes such as SatyrTN (T-C-L-K-R-D) , The_Wordsmith (T-C-L-K-R-D) , Rivertorch (T-C-L-K-R-D) (Titus Canyon?? Why?), Belovedfreak (T-C-L-K-R-D) and the ever-popular Cyclopia.

How nice. Benji now has a gay/ADD/whatever posse of his very own.

(When are the mods going to give Benji a dedicated subforum? He's done shit of this variety too many times to count, mostly undocumented.)

[SDJ]

And apparently, he hates being called "Benji", which I, for some reason, find a bit humorous.

[The Joy]

And apparently, he hates being called "Benji", which I, for some reason, find a bit humorous.

Because it is insulting to the dog to be associated with men like Benjiboi.

[Jon Awbrey]

And apparently, he hates being called "Benji", which I, for some reason, find a bit humorous.

He wanted Benjo Boy, but it was occupato …

Jon

[EricBarbour]

If you ever want to mock Rivertorch, tell him this:

There are TWO Titus Canyons. The famous one that WP has a semi-useless article on....

and another one in Utah. (You'll have to go to Google Maps and type in
"Titus Canyon, Moab, UT" to see it.)

Whoopsie!

He didn't make a disambig page. For shame.

This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Thu 25th February 2010, 3:11am

[Alison]

Hey, this is serious business, people. We could have a new gay icon in the making here!!! To hell with BLP issues, this is important to MEEE!!!! so I want this person to come under the LGBT flag so I'll have another cool gay person to add to the list. Let's get another on-board!!!

Or something

Seriously, I'm about as queer as it gets but this is just largely boosterism at the expense of the subject. That's my take, at least, and I've seen this happen on WP again and again and again. I've already asked on the talk page for people to at least consider the wishes of the subject and quit the rampant speculation and LGBT tagging ('hey - got another gay one here. Tag 'em!') that's going on.

Urgh!

[A Horse With No Name]

To hell with BLP issues, this is important to MEEE!!!! so I want this person to come under the LGBT flag so I'll have another cool gay person to add to the list. Let's get another on-board!!!

Oh, c'mon, American gay history is full of impressive role models: Joseph McCarthy, Roy Cohn, J. Edgar Hoover, Malcolm Forbes, David Dreier, Larry Craig, Charlie Crist, Ken Mehlman, David Shankbone...oh, wait a minute.

[EricBarbour]

[Alison]

To hell with BLP issues, this is important to MEEE!!!! so I want this person to come under the LGBT flag so I'll have another cool gay person to add to the list. Let's get another on-board!!!

Oh, c'mon, American gay history is full of impressive role models: Joseph McCarthy, Roy Cohn, J. Edgar Hoover, Malcolm Forbes, David Dreier, Larry Craig, Charlie Crist, Ken Mehlman, David Shankbone...oh, wait a minute.

[Cla68]

Hey, this is serious business, people. We could have a new gay icon in the making here!!! To hell with BLP issues, this is important to MEEE!!!! so I want this person to come under the LGBT flag so I'll have another cool gay person to add to the list. Let's get another on-board!!!

Or something

Seriously, I'm about as queer as it gets but this is just largely boosterism at the expense of the subject. That's my take, at least, and I've seen this happen on WP again and again and again. I've already asked on the talk page for people to at least consider the wishes of the subject and quit the rampant speculation and LGBT tagging ('hey - got another gay one here. Tag 'em!') that's going on.

Urgh!

I suggest that you admins (Doc, etc) start blocking these guys who are so obviously trampling the BLP rules. Seriously. The blocks may not stick but it will send a message, attract more scrutiny to that page and the antics of those editors, and help move WP culture a little further towards responsible governance.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Thu 25th February 2010, 4:19am

[tarantino]

And apparently, he hates being called "Benji", which I, for some reason, find a bit humorous.

He wanted Benjo Boy, but it was occupato …

Jon

He is Banjee boy, until he wakes up.

[A Horse With No Name]

And apparently, he hates being called "Benji", which I, for some reason, find a bit humorous.

He wanted Benjo Boy, but it was occupato …

Jon

He is Banjee boy, until he wakes up.

Well, Benji should consider a career in meteorology. He will be following in some famous shoes:

[SDJ]

Several of my gay friends are quite embarrassed by the behavior of the gay community on Wikipedia. Benji's over-the-top nonsense almost makes me wonder if he's some kind of plant to make gay people look like buffoons.

[Doc glasgow]

Hey, this is serious business, people. We could have a new gay icon in the making here!!! To hell with BLP issues, this is important to MEEE!!!! so I want this person to come under the LGBT flag so I'll have another cool gay person to add to the list. Let's get another on-board!!!

Or something

Seriously, I'm about as queer as it gets but this is just largely boosterism at the expense of the subject. That's my take, at least, and I've seen this happen on WP again and again and again. I've already asked on the talk page for people to at least consider the wishes of the subject and quit the rampant speculation and LGBT tagging ('hey - got another gay one here. Tag 'em!') that's going on.

Urgh!

I suggest that you admins (Doc, etc) start blocking these guys who are so obviously trampling the BLP rules. Seriously. The blocks may not stick but it will send a message, attract more scrutiny to that page and the antics of those editors, and help move WP culture a little further towards responsible governance.

You are correct.

Thread removed. Warning issued. Phasers set to block.

[Alison]

I suggest that you admins (Doc, etc) start blocking these guys who are so obviously trampling the BLP rules. Seriously. The blocks may not stick but it will send a message, attract more scrutiny to that page and the antics of those editors, and help move WP culture a little further towards responsible governance.

You are correct.

Thread removed. Warning issued. Phasers set to block.

And here's a quick summary of how that's working out, now that it's gone to ANI:

Any questions?

[the fieryangel]

I suggest that you admins (Doc, etc) start blocking these guys who are so obviously trampling the BLP rules. Seriously. The blocks may not stick but it will send a message, attract more scrutiny to that page and the antics of those editors, and help move WP culture a little further towards responsible governance.

You are correct.

Thread removed. Warning issued. Phasers set to block.

And here's a quick summary of how that's working out, now that it's gone to ANI:

Any questions?

Here's the official theme song of this discussion (which goes well with the ANI thread...):



You can mentally change the lyrics to "Johnny are you Weir?" for even more lolz...