Ottava leaves Wikipedia Options

[CharlotteWebb]

There's some connection to the diamonds in the bank-glass window display, AND to Wikipedia's flagged revisions and the people who keep promising them for their own gain....

Could we get Jay Walsh a REALLY long cigarette holder, as a prop? And Jimbo, too, if he's that much into Rand.

They've been able to blow smoke up our asses even without such paraphernalia.

At this point I'm just glad it's not menthol.

[Milton Roe]

There's some connection to the diamonds in the bank-glass window display, AND to Wikipedia's flagged revisions and the people who keep promising them for their own gain....

Could we get Jay Walsh a REALLY long cigarette holder, as a prop? And Jimbo, too, if he's that much into Rand.

They've been able to blow smoke up our asses even without such paraphernalia.

At this point I'm just glad it's not menthol.

Oww!! Ooooh!!! Eeee!! Ahhhh!!

Are you SURE they're not using menthol??

[Trick cyclist]

the film "Born on the Fourth of July."

Horrible casting as the lead actor was only born on the third of july

As indeed was the author of the song from which the title comes.

George M. Cohan (T-H-L-K-D)

[Milton Roe]

the film "Born on the Fourth of July."

Horrible casting as the lead actor was only born on the third of july

As indeed was the author of the song from which the title comes.

George M. Cohan (T-H-L-K-D)

Alas, James Cagney was 17 July. Missed it by a whole 13 days.

[everyking]

Jaws 2

When will this end?

If the analogy holds, we've still got two more sequels to sit through. "Ottava 4: The Revenge" promises to be the worst of them all.

[EricBarbour]

If the analogy holds, we've still got two more sequels to sit through. "Ottava 4: The Revenge" promises to be the worst of them all.

[The Joy]

Jaws 2

When will this end?

If the analogy holds, we've still got two more sequels to sit through. "Ottava 4: The Revenge" promises to be the worst of them all.

[Mathsci]

The return of the living dead 5

The return of the living dead 6

These presumably will be Ottava's last contributions under this username for a while, because the ArbCom case will be closed fairly soon.

Somehow Ottava seems to have been born in the wrong period. He would have had so much more fun working with Torquemada.

This post has been edited by Mathsci: Sat 19th December 2009, 9:01am

[SB_Johnny]

Apparently, the ArbCom has been infiltrated by the cabal. Now it all makes sense!

[Eva Destruction]

Good fucking grief. Even Durova in her prime would have thought "both users' IPs resolve to the United States" was insufficient evidence for a sockpuppetry case, but Hans Adler (T-C-L-K-R-D) apparently doesn't.

[EricBarbour]

Apparently, the ArbCom has been infiltrated by the cabal. Now it all makes sense!

He's just using their own ad-hominem tactics against them......

*Instead, ArbCom makes it seem like he had legitimate criticism where every single one of his statements include things like "you can't write English" and other attacks. I have already proven that most of his criticism is things like "the word Marriage is antiquated", which is so factually wrong that it can't be considered "criticism". Ottava Rima (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

[everyking]

Stephen Bain added some last minute votes; remarkably, after everything that's happened, he's against banning Ottava: "I see no reason not to at least try rehabilitative remedies." Have they not been tried already? Has Stephen even read the case? It's a little disturbing that by this point there'd be anyone at all (except Malleus, of course) opposed to a ban.

[Viridae]

Stephen Bain added some last minute votes; remarkably, after everything that's happened, he's against banning Ottava: "I see no reason not to at least try rehabilitative remedies." Have they not been tried already? Has Stephen even read the case? It's a little disturbing that by this point there'd be anyone at all (except Malleus, of course) opposed to a ban.

Certainly looks like he hasn't read the case. Isn't that one of the arbs we are getting rid of this time?

Oh and argumentative to the end: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ademic_sourcing

[The Joy]

Stephen Bain added some last minute votes; remarkably, after everything that's happened, he's against banning Ottava: "I see no reason not to at least try rehabilitative remedies." Have they not been tried already? Has Stephen even read the case? It's a little disturbing that by this point there'd be anyone at all (except Malleus, of course) opposed to a ban.

But.. but that's what Dispute Resolution is for! You try everything to get a person to change their behavior and, failing that, you go to Arbitration.

So isn't it too late to look for "rehabilitative remedies?" Ottava wants to play the martyr and accuse everyone of being against him. Regardless of his good content, his behavior has made him too many powerful enemies. It is just not going to work out.

At some point, whether the individual is right or wrong, you have to realize that his/her behavior is not conducive to a collaborative environment. Eventually, as strange as it may sound, you're going to have to say "I'm sorry, you're a good content editor... and you have to leave."

Giano and his most ardent supporters may be facing that day soon.

[MBisanz]

Stephen Bain added some last minute votes; remarkably, after everything that's happened, he's against banning Ottava: "I see no reason not to at least try rehabilitative remedies." Have they not been tried already? Has Stephen even read the case? It's a little disturbing that by this point there'd be anyone at all (except Malleus, of course) opposed to a ban.

But.. but that's what Dispute Resolution is for! You try everything to get a person to change their behavior and, failing that, you go to Arbitration.

So isn't it too late to look for "rehabilitative remedies?" Ottava wants to play the martyr and accuse everyone of being against him. Regardless of his good content, his behavior has made him too many powerful enemies. It is just not going to work out.

At some point, whether the individual is right or wrong, you have to realize that his/her behavior is not conducive to a collaborative environment. Eventually, as strange as it may sound, you're going to have to say "I'm sorry, you're a good content editor... and you have to leave."

Giano and his most ardent supporters may be facing that day soon.

This applies more to situations like Kurt than to Ottava, but I like to analogize it to the real world example of an Elk's Club. If every week a person came to the group meeting and motioned to disband the organization, people would probably laugh the first couple of weeks. But if they kept doing it every meeting, yelling at the top of their lungs for the disbandment of the organization, at some point the other people in the organization would probably say "it doesn't matter that he supports the aims of the Elk, he is unable and unwilling to work with us" and then show him the door.

And I know many people will say that the unfair part is that Wikipedia is the only game in town on the internet and that there are usually many recreational groups in a town, but that is really a creative construction, since someone could move to any of the 50 other major user-created content places like blogger, digg, flickr, etc, if they find WP so inhospitable.

[Mathsci]

Stephen Bain added some last minute votes; remarkably, after everything that's happened, he's against banning Ottava: "I see no reason not to at least try rehabilitative remedies." Have they not been tried already? Has Stephen even read the case? It's a little disturbing that by this point there'd be anyone at all (except Malleus, of course) opposed to a ban.

Stephen Bain has been a lazy arbitrator: he didn't read the case pages of Abd&WMC properly and he hasn't taken into account the interaction of NYB, SandyGeorgia and Jpgordon with Ottava. I doubt he would have been elected had he stood for re-election.

I do feel a little sorry for Ottava (but only a very little). Perhaps adding a little sugar and spice could reduce his toxicity, if that's the right WP term. Certainly going out with a bang rather than a whimper in his flame war with Risker will not exactly endear him to ArbCom if and when he decides to come back officially in 6 months time,

This post has been edited by Mathsci: Sun 20th December 2009, 11:11am

[SB_Johnny]

I do feel a little sorry for Ottava (but only a very little). Perhaps adding a little sugar and spice could reduce his toxicity, if that's the right WP term. Certainly going out with a bang rather than a whimper in his flame war with Risker will not exactly endear him to ArbCom if and when he decides to come back officially in 6 months time,

That sort of reminded me of when he jumped on IRC a few dramas ago and said something like "I suppose you're going to accuse me of being paranoid now"... he more or less just proved everyone else's point.

Just curious though: what's this "petition" stuff about? Has ArbCom ever been over-ridden by petition?

[Mathsci]

Just curious though: what's this "petition" stuff about? Has ArbCom ever been over-ridden by petition?

Petition?

[Sarcasticidealist]

If every week a person came to the group meeting and motioned to disband the organization...

Moved - the verb is moved. A motion is that which is moved, not the action itself.

Goddammit.

[Viridae]

I do feel a little sorry for Ottava (but only a very little). Perhaps adding a little sugar and spice could reduce his toxicity, if that's the right WP term. Certainly going out with a bang rather than a whimper in his flame war with Risker will not exactly endear him to ArbCom if and when he decides to come back officially in 6 months time,

That sort of reminded me of when he jumped on IRC a few dramas ago and said something like "I suppose you're going to accuse me of being paranoid now"... he more or less just proved everyone else's point.

Just curious though: what's this "petition" stuff about? Has ArbCom ever been over-ridden by petition?

What petition? And no. Though it is technically possible if enough of the community disagrees, to simply ignore an arbcom decision, I really doubt that would happen here.