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Posted by: Cimorene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone
Apparently, Delicious carbuncle thinks that Shankbone is the operator of several multiple accounts. Namely,
QUOTE
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* WatchingWhales (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* A Knavish Bonded (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Fat Jenny (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser) (account on Commons only)
Thoughts? Opinions? Was this common knowledge of which I've just been unaware?
Posted by: Cla68
QUOTE(Cimorene @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:22am) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone
Apparently, Delicious carbuncle thinks that Shankbone is the operator of several multiple accounts. Namely,
QUOTE
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* WatchingWhales (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* A Knavish Bonded (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Fat Jenny (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser) (account on Commons only)
Thoughts? Opinions? Was this common knowledge of which I've just been unaware?
He http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Multiple_alternate_accounts about it at AN first, then posted the SPI request. He has http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADavid_Shankbone&action=historysubmit&diff=328767658&oldid=328028232 Mr. Shankbone on his userpage.
Posted by: Sarcasticidealist
WatchingWhales was discussed http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=27110&hl=WatchingWhales, and led http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Fat_Man_Who_Never_Came_Back to create http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=WatchingWales&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
Perfect timing...we were running low on drama! 
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 30th November 2009, 12:39pm)
Perfect timing...we were running low on drama!
To Mr. Shankbone's credit, pretty much all of those pseudos (except for the Bucktoothed Beaver one, which was news to me...) were discussed already on WR. Since we're pretty much "drama central" as far as Wikipedia is concerned, anybody who wasn't aware of these socks simply wasn't paying attention...
That said, it's probably best to get this out in the open, once and for all...
Oh, man, Delicious Carbuncle http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=328522588 He's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_male_performers_in_gay_porn_films_(5th_nomination)
Even though this doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being deleted, he's absolutely right about the BLP issues. This list is a disaster waiting to happen....
Posted by: dogbiscuit
In the world of abusive socks, these are pretty small beer. In fact, aside from the self-publicist COI thing, which has not been resolved in terms of his own user id, so the socks are pretty irrelevant, the only point in bringing this up is drama.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Mon 30th November 2009, 1:14pm)
In the world of abusive socks, these are pretty small beer. In fact, aside from the self-publicist COI thing, which has not been resolved in terms of his own user id, so the socks are pretty irrelevant, the only point in bringing this up is drama.
Hmm, there is some speculation as to whether http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=benji+featherstone&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=avn.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_male_performers_in_gay_porn_films#cite_note-2008_GayVN-61 might somehow be connected with a Wikipedia editor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rockstars721
So, perhaps DC has a point here?
Posted by: thekohser
Shankbone seemed to be fixated on my "Cheeto colored beaver teeth" around the time he was publicizing the ED article about me and the origins of my daughter.
So, there is that connection to a beaver, perhaps.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 30th November 2009, 2:15pm)
Shankbone seemed to be fixated on my "Cheeto colored beaver teeth" around the time he was publicizing the ED article about me and the origins of my daughter.
So, there is that connection to a beaver, perhaps.
Yup, the jab about "Cheeto colored beaver teeth" was part of the ED attack piece about you...
Man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Multiple_alternate_accounts They had no idea that he was talking about Shankers until they told him to open the SPI case...DC has all the right moves here!
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 30th November 2009, 12:10pm)
Oh, man, Delicious Carbuncle http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=328522588 He's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_male_performers_in_gay_porn_films_(5th_nomination)
Even though this doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being deleted, he's absolutely right about the BLP issues. This list is a disaster waiting to happen....
Actually, it was MZMcBride who nominated that particular list for deletion. I have no doubt that it will survive to inadvertently label yet another unsuspecting person as a gay porn star.
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 30th November 2009, 3:53pm)
Actually, it was MZMcBride who nominated that particular list for deletion. I have no doubt that it will survive to inadvertently label yet another unsuspecting person as a gay porn star.
Dangling modifier once again.
You might find the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_25#Category:Gay_porn_stars_.28redux.29 interesting.
QUOTE(Otto4711 22:00 @ 25 March 2007 (UTC))
Rename to Category:Gay porn performers to address the POV concerns of the word "star." I remain unconvinced that anyone will have any difficulty understanding the purpose of the category […]. It's for people in gay porn, not people in porn who are gay. []…
However I seem to recall Paul Barresi interpreted it the opposite way, when somebody put Mr. Barresi's article into this category and/or added language to similar effect.
In any case he was offended deeply enough to contact Jimbo directly, see:
http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=A_Day_In_The_Life
Posted by: the fieryangel
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone#Clerk.2C_patrolling_admin_and_checkuser_comments, discussion on WR = disclosure to arbcom....
Well, I guess he has a point there...
rabblerousers, DC? On my Wikipedia Review?
It's more likely than you think!
Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
QUOTE(Cimorene @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:22am)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone
Apparently, Delicious carbuncle thinks that Shankbone is the operator of several multiple accounts. Namely,
QUOTE
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* WatchingWhales (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* A Knavish Bonded (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser)
* Fat Jenny (talk+ • tag • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • filter log • block user • spi block • block log • checkuser) (account on Commons only)
Thoughts? Opinions? Was this common knowledge of which I've just been unaware?
I would not be surprised in the least if Shankers turns out to be a puppeteer.
Posted by: the fieryangel
This is too rich : off of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_male_performers_in_gay_porn_films_(5th_nomination)
QUOTE
Yes, Ash has pretty much called it. This is very much sky is falling BLP! BLP! Why wouldn't we re-hash that BLP thread, or the ANI one before that? This all started because you seem to want to remove/diminish an image of Michael Lucas (by David Shankbone) from the lede. You started the ANI thread when you let it slip you simply couldn't be bothered to address the BLP concerns because you were too busy edit-warring on the image. Then at BLP you were basically proven wrong and likely lazy - the big BLP concern? - that wikilinks went to the wrong person - {{sofixit}}. But no problem, every issue will be sorted out, those links to pornsites confirm that we aren't violating BLP - presumable your current concern and every other reasonable issue will be dealt with by more level headed editors who really have no vested interest in whether we have this content here or not. And the reason that the only comparable list of women in porn to you seems to be List of pornographic actresses by decade likely has only one explanation - this is the only list for men in gay porn films. And more categories simply don't equal replacing a list - see Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. -- Banjeboi 17:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
* Benjiboi, please strike your remarks. Calling me "lazy" and once again implying that I am a homophobe are clear personal attacks. As is your repeated claim that I edit-warred over an image (which the article history will show that you were the one reverting multiple editors to restore). I'm here to comment on the issues raised in this AfD, not to bicker with you. Incidentally, you may wish to check the credit on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Lucas_Men_of_Israel_film_shoot.jpg - unless you know that Commons user "I Smell Beaver" is yet another of David Shankbone's alternate accounts, the image has nothing to do with him. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
* Benjiboi, please strike your remarks. Calling me "lazy" and once again implying that I am a homophobe are clear personal attacks. As is your repeated claim that I edit-warred over an image (which the article history will show that you were the one reverting multiple editors to restore). I'm here to comment on the issues raised in this AfD, not to bicker with you. Incidentally, you may wish to check the credit on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Lucas_Men_of_Israel_film_shoot.jpg - unless you know that Commons user "I Smell Beaver" is yet another of David Shankbone's alternate accounts, the image has nothing to do with him. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Um....oops....
While we're at it, does anybody else wonder why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pornography
...hmm, I wonder who added those....and why?
And it's not as if there weren't....um....http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_porn_actorseither...
Posted by: EricBarbour
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
Posted by: NuclearWarfare
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:20pm)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone#Clerk.2C_patrolling_admin_and_checkuser_comments, discussion on WR = disclosure to arbcom....
Well, I guess he has a point there...
rabblerousers, DC? On my Wikipedia Review?
It's more likely than you think!
Sorry if I misphrased that. What I meant was "David has admitted his use of the Watching Whales account (I think). Has he admitted to the use of any of the other accounts listed?"
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(NuclearWarfare @ Mon 30th November 2009, 11:07pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:20pm)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone#Clerk.2C_patrolling_admin_and_checkuser_comments, discussion on WR = disclosure to arbcom....
Well, I guess he has a point there...
rabblerousers, DC? On my Wikipedia Review?
It's more likely than you think!
Sorry if I misphrased that. What I meant was "David has admitted his use of the Watching Whales account (I think). Has he admitted to the use of any of the other accounts listed?"
I seem to remember some story about "Fat Jenny" being his neighbor....as if a real live woman would actually choose that as an account name...
What I meant by my remarks above is that we've all figured out that those are Shankbone socks. Whether he's admitted it or not is beside the point....
(um, you do realize that you appear to have "outed" yourself by your last comment, don't you?)
Posted by: Nerd
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
If anyone is banned, it should be David Shankbone, followed by his faithful little puppy dog Benjiboi. Shankbone appears to have violated so many policies/rules in his time, and has basically stopped editing. Benjeboi is an irritating SPA in sex-related topics, particularly to do with homosexuality.
Oh, and there's no question regarding his sexuality. Just look at his userpage.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 3:14pm)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
If anyone is banned, it should be David Shankbone, followed by his faithful little puppy dog Benjiboi. Shankbone appears to have violated so many policies/rules in his time, and has basically stopped editing. Benjeboi is an irritating SPA in sex-related topics, particularly to do with homosexuality.
Oh, and there's no question regarding his sexuality. Just look at his userpage.
You mean his being a DJ for Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence fundraisers didn't clue you to his boi-ish nature? You really ARE a nerd, aren't you?
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26493&view=findpost&p=200515
Posted by: Nerd
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:37pm)
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 3:14pm)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
If anyone is banned, it should be David Shankbone, followed by his faithful little puppy dog Benjiboi. Shankbone appears to have violated so many policies/rules in his time, and has basically stopped editing. Benjeboi is an irritating SPA in sex-related topics, particularly to do with homosexuality.
Oh, and there's no question regarding his sexuality. Just look at his userpage.
You mean his being a DJ for Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence fundraisers didn't clue you to his boi-ish nature? You really ARE a nerd, aren't you?
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26493&view=findpost&p=200515
He is a bit like Daffyd Thomas: lives and breathes his sexuality. His occupation is being homosexual. And he will go out of his way to ensure that everyone is aware of it. He is a parasite.
I'm not sure why the offensive remarks about my being a nerd. Eric Barbour's post suggested he didn't know, so I was replying to him, not to everyone else.
Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:41pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:37pm)
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 3:14pm)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
If anyone is banned, it should be David Shankbone, followed by his faithful little puppy dog Benjiboi. Shankbone appears to have violated so many policies/rules in his time, and has basically stopped editing. Benjeboi is an irritating SPA in sex-related topics, particularly to do with homosexuality.
Oh, and there's no question regarding his sexuality. Just look at his userpage.
You mean his being a DJ for Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence fundraisers didn't clue you to his boi-ish nature? You really ARE a nerd, aren't you?
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26493&view=findpost&p=200515
He is a bit like Daffyd Thomas: lives and breathes his sexuality. His occupation is being homosexual. And he will go out of his way to ensure that everyone is aware of it. He is a parasite.
I'm not sure why the offensive remarks about my being a nerd. Eric Barbour's post suggested he didn't know, so I was replying to him, not to everyone else.
Let's make it clear- We don't dislike Shankers due to his sexual orientation, we dislike him for being a shank.
Posted by: Nerd
QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:45pm)
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:41pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:37pm)
QUOTE(Nerd @ Mon 30th November 2009, 3:14pm)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
If anyone is banned, it should be David Shankbone, followed by his faithful little puppy dog Benjiboi. Shankbone appears to have violated so many policies/rules in his time, and has basically stopped editing. Benjeboi is an irritating SPA in sex-related topics, particularly to do with homosexuality.
Oh, and there's no question regarding his sexuality. Just look at his userpage.
You mean his being a DJ for Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence fundraisers didn't clue you to his boi-ish nature? You really ARE a nerd, aren't you?
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26493&view=findpost&p=200515
He is a bit like Daffyd Thomas: lives and breathes his sexuality. His occupation is being homosexual. And he will go out of his way to ensure that everyone is aware of it. He is a parasite.
I'm not sure why the offensive remarks about my being a nerd. Eric Barbour's post suggested he didn't know, so I was replying to him, not to everyone else.
Let's make it clear- We don't dislike Shankers due to his sexual orientation, we dislike him for being a shank.
No one has said anything about disliking Shankbone, let alone disliking him because of his sexuality.
Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
No, but based on some of the above comments it could very easily be seen that way.
Especially since the real issue here is Sockpuppeting, not sexual orientation.
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:58pm)
I'm accepting bets on how long it will take a gay admin (or friend thereof) to ban DC.
And I state the following, which you may use as reference.
Time until DC is accused of "hate speech", or Godwin's law is invoked: 1 day
Time until AFD is closed out: 3 days
Time until DC is banned: 1 month or less
(And just for dramatic effect, let me state that Benjiboi is a toxic little shit, gay or straight.)
I have a vain hope that most people will eventually see Benjboi's logic-free rants for what they are, which is misdirection from the COI/paid editing issues. There is no shortage of gay male admins, so it is possible that one of them will be fooled, but it is much more likely that it will be a straight male admin who wields the banhammer (being far less able to discern deliberate targetting from coincidental targetting of gay editors).
Posted by: The Wales Hunter
This is slightly off topic, but apparently Shankbone's Facebook account was suspended without notice earlier in the month:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=192653318728
Posted by: Nerd
QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:58pm)
This is slightly off topic, but apparently Shankbone's Facebook account was suspended without notice earlier in the month:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=192653318728
"One Million Strong for David Shankbone - Facebook, We Want Shankbone!"
47 members and counting... I wonder how many are Shankbone or his associates?
Posted by: tarantino
7 alternate accounts http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FDavid_Shankbone&action=historysubmit&diff=328943450&oldid=328940143.
Bucktoothed beaver (T-C-L-K-R-D)
WatchingWhales (T-C-L-K-R-D)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Ponyboybreakaway (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Fat Jenny foto fixer  (T-C-L-K-R-D)
A rebours me (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Littlefoote (T-C-L-K-R-D)
"The question of what to do with the David Shankbone account will be turfed to WP:AN."
Posted by: EricBarbour
Way to go, Alison!
(Of course, you do realize that as soon as Shank finds out this is going on,
he'll be back with a mad vengeance? I wonder if Arbcom will stand up to him or not.)
Posted by: SirFozzie
Tznkai has blocked for six months, and asked for a community ban.
Posted by: Mike R
See also: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone
Posted by: Obesity
QUOTE(Mike R @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:48pm)
Tznkai has blocked for 6 months and "asked the community to consider a full ban."
lolz, u were scooped
Posted by: Mike R
QUOTE(Obesity @ Mon 30th November 2009, 9:51pm)
QUOTE(Mike R @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:48pm)
See also: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone
lolz, u were scooped
Whaa??
Posted by: dtobias
The Two Davids aren't doing very well today...
Posted by: SirFozzie
Good thing I'm on the straight and narrow. It seems to be Open Season on Davids 
Posted by: Cla68
QUOTE(dtobias @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:56am)
The Two Davids aren't doing very well today...
They are both finding out the hard way that sometimes we are held to account for our actions.
Posted by: TungstenCarbide
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:47am)
7 alternate accounts http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FDavid_Shankbone&action=historysubmit&diff=328943450&oldid=328940143.
Bucktoothed beaver (T-C-L-K-R-D)
WatchingWhales (T-C-L-K-R-D)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Ponyboybreakaway (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Fat Jenny foto fixer  (T-C-L-K-R-D)
A rebours me (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Littlefoote (T-C-L-K-R-D)
"The question of what to do with the David Shankbone account will be turfed to WP:AN."
I just don't understand this. Anyone who's been around as longs as Shankbone must know about checkuser. He's certainly dialed in. Avoiding checkuser detection for socks is a fairly simple endeavor. So is he a complete moron to get busted like this? Or does he just not care, or was he trying to get busted, or did he really think he had enough pull to avoid the consequences?
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:40am)
I just don't understand this. Anyone who's been around as longs as Shankbone must know about checkuser. He's certainly dialed in. Avoiding checkuser detection for socks is a fairly simple endeavor. So is he a complete moron to get busted like this? Or does he just not care, or was he trying to get busted, or did he really think he had enough pull to avoid the consequences?
My theory is that he thought he had enough pull to avoid the scrutiny and thereby avoid the consequences. Plus he was pissed off because his article was deleted and was deliberately being "on vacation" so that WP could miss him a little. That meant using socks instead of his main account. There's probably also a case to be made that he really doesn't think he did anything wrong.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(tarantino @ Mon 30th November 2009, 7:47pm)
7 alternate accounts http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FDavid_Shankbone&action=historysubmit&diff=328943450&oldid=328940143.
Bucktoothed beaver (T-C-L-K-R-D)
WatchingWhales (T-C-L-K-R-D)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Ponyboybreakaway (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Fat Jenny foto fixer  (T-C-L-K-R-D)
A rebours me (T-C-L-K-R-D)
Littlefoote (T-C-L-K-R-D)
"The question of what to do with the David Shankbone account will be turfed to WP:AN."
Some of these are very funny. Littlefoote (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Littlefoote as a new user was: 1) create user page, 2) create talkpage, 3) revert a comment of Durova's on the Shankbone bio debate. Hmmm. Could be a sock, maybe?
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name?
Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D)
with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since the photo he uploaded ended up being a inserted into an article by a Shankbone sock, as its only act. Interesting. User Allstarecho seems to be interested only in gay-promo, but is not a photographer. Perhaps then, the fluffer??[Edit: Oh, dear, user:Allstarecho has been fighting with Durova and others, and seems to be very recently retired. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=prev&oldid=310675493]
A rebours me (T-C-L-K-R-D) Seems to have no edits at all. Oversighted? Where did the userpage come from?
Fat Jenny foto fixer  (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's third edit, after making user and name pages, was to replace one Shankbone foto http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kate_Mulgrew&diff=prev&oldid=324595360 in the BLP of Kate Mulgrew.
"I prefer THIS photo" THAT OTHER ONE DOES NOT PLEASE ME... 
Bucktoothed beaver (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's edits consisted of adding four Shankbone photos of authors from the same NY booksigning. One http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Safran_Foer&diff=prev&oldid=327775697 added to a BLP of Jonathan Safran Foer, who has written a book called Eating Animals. Where have we seen this title?
Ponyboybreakaway (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's third edit was to say that putting Mzoli's as a high priority article was an insult to South Africa! Oh, Jimbo's not going to like downgrading this article, which is probaly why a sock wants to do it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mzoli%27s&diff=prev&oldid=325728386%5burl But the subtext, also, is that the Mzoli's Meats is a butcher's eatery.
Did I miss something, or did Shankbone worm his way into the WP power structure via that animal rights vegan thing, as well as by playing the gay and Jewish cards? It's not as though Jimbo's interested in much of this (he likes meat, but not THAT kind), but there are other WP people who care about carnivores very much, and are willing to trade porn for whatever.
Posted by: Cla68
You know you have a good friend when you get caught using seven socks to support your own self-promoting editing agenda and that friend tries to find some way to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=328970653&oldid=328970458 Hey, if any of you admins at AN are reading this thread, just ignore her. You've made your case and she will continue to refuse to hear it. Mr. Shankbone has refused to admit wrongdoing on his talk page but has accepted the six month block, perhaps because he realizes that it could very easily be longer.
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:57am)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name?
Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D)
with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since his photo ended up being a contribution of a Shank sock. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364
Allstarecho left WP just in time to avoid the banhammer (he now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.66.75.195 and sticks to articles about what I assume is his alma mater's sports teams). He had some serious COI issues on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Mississippi]], an organisation that he founded. Allstarecho was topic banned from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Sanchez]] articles (and socks). He pushed the limits of this topic ban to the point that he was facing a full ban.
Coincidentally, Matt Sanchez appeared in gay porn as Pierre La Branche and Rod Majors. There are several portraits of him on Commons by none other than David Shankbone. I believe Benjiboi was also under some kind of topic ban related to Sanchez, but I may be wrong.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:07pm)
You know you have a good friend when you get caught using seven socks to support your own self-promoting editing agenda and that friend tries to find some way to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=328970653&oldid=328970458 Hey, if any of you admins at AN are reading this thread, just ignore her. You've made your case and she will continue to refuse to hear it. Mr. Shankbone has refused to admit wrongdoing on his talk page but has accepted the six month block, perhaps because he realizes that it could very easily be longer.
ROFL! Her concern is that it's a pile-on? But what kind of pile-on would it be?
My concern is that people who didn't like Shankbone found themselves up against the idea that they were homophobic, antisemitic, and antierotic. Who would have guessed that they just didn't like self promoters who get a free ride by kissing up to the correct prejudices?
But I think we see Shankers here playing the animal rights card, too. He dislikes butchers, likes people who sell vegan books, and so on. So Slims is for him and if he bothers you, tough.
Slim, you're lucky the "Fluffer" Shankbone uploaded, isn't lubing up somebody to screw a pooch.
Posted by: Obesity
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 12:07am)
You know you have a good friend when you get caught using seven socks to support your own self-promoting editing agenda and that friend tries to find some way to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=328970653&oldid=328970458 Hey, if any of you admins at AN are reading this thread, just ignore her. You've made your case and she will continue to refuse to hear it. Mr. Shankbone has refused to admit wrongdoing on his talk page but has accepted the six month block, perhaps because he realizes that it could very easily be longer.
SV a "friend" of anyone????? Puh-leez.
D is merely one of her more recent useful idiots
I respect "Sarah," but she is no woman. She is like a thing of iron and frozen rock!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: carbuncle
Slimvirgin is strongly pushing the idea that Shankbone "retired" at the end of October. The reality is that he said "I leave on vacation early tomorrow," and then made edits after that as late as 19 Novembre. How does she get away with stuff like this? Hypnotism?
Posted by: EricBarbour
Excuse the hell out of me for mentioning this.....
So, Shankbone's been on WP since June 2006.
He's given the WMF a lot of celebrity and other photos. Which is good.
However....in the past 3 years, he has also, and let me summarize:
1. been an http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=17176
2. posted http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=17815 on Commons
3. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=19870 in the back--repeatedly
4. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=20456 Greg Kohs, http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=23826, on his blog and elsewhere
5. been http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=23767 by Somey
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Shankbone/Hall_of_The_Greats to the worst of WP's "elite"
7. used his blog to http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=23438 Fox News anchor Shepard Smith out of the closet
8. threatened to quit WP and take his photos with him, http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=25416
9. used Meta servers as linkfarms for his blog, http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26774
10. accused Carbuncle of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive570#User:Delicious_carbuncle_violation_of_NPA_and_Harass him, repeatedly
11. gotten a friend to http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26955 of himself on WP
12. and don't forget his Israel POV-pushing and doing the bidding of one Michael Lucas.
Might be forgetting something.
And after all that......he was finally nailed.
Not for any of those multitudinous sins, oh no.
That stuff wasn't important.
He was nailed for running sockpuppets, and lying about it.
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am)
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
Don't tell us — Tell the CDC.
Ja Ja
Posted by: Somey
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 12:53am)
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
Well yeah, that's a given, but I'm still a little concerned that despite the relative triviality of the pretext they finally came up with, this still means that their claims to the moral high ground can no longer be summarily dismissed, and that their complaints about "harassment" and "COI editing" might no longer be empty rhetoric. At least for the next six months...?
I'm sure they'll unblock him soon enough, though, and we can get back to the normal state of things... but I gotta say, right now I feel like my whole world has been turned upside-down!
Posted by: EricBarbour
QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 30th November 2009, 11:08pm)
I'm sure they'll unblock him soon enough, though, and we can get back to the normal state of things... but I gotta say, right now I feel like my whole world has been turned upside-down!
a) I hope they don't, and
b) damn, SV is like a rabid pitbull.
Posted by: Brutus
I wonder when the mainstream media will pick this up?
Maybe this is all a deliberate attempt to get the David Shankbone article back?
Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:53am)
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWv53OJ-ydI
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE
No, to reducing the block any further. This was blatant, cynical abuse of Wikipedia's rules and policies to promote himself. I will miss the content he provides. But I will not miss the drama and unhealthy environment his actions have provided. SirFozzie (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually I will miss the drama quite a lot. Without Skankbone and David Gerard, and with FT2 having resigned all his bits, what entertainment value is left? Answer that question if you will.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:34am)
Actually I will miss the drama quite a lot. Without Skankbone and David Gerard, and with FT2 having resigned all his bits, what entertainment value is left? Answer that question if you will.
I hear that NuclearWarfare is pretty clever when it comes to performing card tricks.
QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 30th November 2009, 5:58pm)
This is slightly off topic, but apparently Shankbone's Facebook account was suspended without notice earlier in the month:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=192653318728
You ain't supposed to use pseudonyms for your Facebook page -- something that Brandt pointed out when Julian Colton was insisting his real name isn't Julian Colton.
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:47pm)
Tznkai has blocked for six months, and asked for a community ban.
Wow, that imbecile finally did something intelligent on WP!
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am)
Might be forgetting something.
Well, he spread some nasty lies about me, too. However, I will gladly make a deal with him: when he stops lying about me, I'll stop telling the truth about him.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:44am)
Well, he spread some nasty lies about me, too. However, I will gladly make a deal with him: when he stops lying about me, I'll stop telling the truth about him.
Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.
Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:47am)
Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.
Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).
Forgive you? Petey, I've never been angry at you!
I am sorry for putting the "Pastor" on that horrible bandwagon. That was poor judgment on my part, truly.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:57am)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:47am)
Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.
Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).
Forgive you? Petey, I've never been angry at you!
I am sorry for putting the "Pastor" on that horrible bandwagon. That was poor judgment on my part, truly.
I did marvel at the Pastor's edit history - a work of art, truly. Articles on horse-racing and one on wrestling, if I'm not mistaken. Very funny.
Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:34am)
QUOTE
No, to reducing the block any further. This was blatant, cynical abuse of Wikipedia's rules and policies to promote himself. I will miss the content he provides. But I will not miss the drama and unhealthy environment his actions have provided. SirFozzie (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually I will miss the drama quite a lot. Without Skankbone and David Gerard, and with FT2 having resigned all his bits, what entertainment value is left? Answer that question if you will.
But it's still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWv53OJ-ydI...
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:04am)
I did marvel at the Pastor's edit history - a work of art, truly. Articles on horse-racing and one on wrestling, if I'm not mistaken. Very funny.
Plus articles on philately (the history of Tonga stamps, of all things!), obscure cheesy movies, and, of course, one article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogi_Bear_and_the_Three_Stooges_Meet_the_Mad,_Mad,_Mad_Dr._No-No Very little in the way of religion, though -- an intentional omission that absolutely no one ever questioned!
Incredibly, it was Rlvese who pushed for the "Pastor" to become an admin -- and that's a guy who likes to boast about how he spots phonies that falsely claim to be Medal of Honor winners! I didn't pull the wool over his eyes -- I clobbered him with the full sheep!
Posted by: Cla68
Mr. Shankbone is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=329027471&oldid=329026840 Who was it that said that these socks for were known by ArbCom?
Posted by: carbuncle
The http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone has unsurprisingly dug up a few more socks:
QUOTE
Results
Findings: It is ArtÃculo bueno.svg Confirmed that
* David Shankbone (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* IMournRuthPointer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fagle (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fix Fotos (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* I Smell Beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
I leave it to others to review contribs and block as appropriate. Note that there was a question about Fat Jenny on en:wp ... this may help. ++Lar: t/c 12:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Findings: It is ArtÃculo bueno.svg Confirmed that
* David Shankbone (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* IMournRuthPointer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fagle (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fix Fotos (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* I Smell Beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
I leave it to others to review contribs and block as appropriate. Note that there was a question about Fat Jenny on en:wp ... this may help. ++Lar: t/c 12:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:58am)
Mr. Shankbone is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=329027471&oldid=329026840
Wow, even Jimbo lost his patience with Mr. Miller.
Posted by: Robert Roberts
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:00pm)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:58am)
Mr. Shankbone is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=329027471&oldid=329026840
Wow, even Jimbo lost his patience with Mr. Miller.
"We have no knowledge of this operative".
Posted by: carbuncle
I'm not sure what to make of the http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=31860895 of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.
Posted by: the fieryangel
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_Smell_Beaver
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:58pm)
Mr. Shankbone is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=329027471&oldid=329026840 Who was it that said that these socks for were known by ArbCom?
Benjiboi (T-C-L-K-R-D) , on the talk page of WatchingWhales (T-C-L-K-R-D) in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WatchingWhales&diff=322632466&oldid=322483031
QUOTE
:I've removed that as this account has already been shared with Arbcom as an alt and unless there is a policy that a userbox be added it would seem to only embolden those who have nothing better to do than harass when no actual problem has been shown. If there has been a change in policy on these issues please show me the discussion so I understand where the multitudes of users with alt accounts should be shown as to how to brand themselves. [[User_talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<font color="#FF4400">e</font></u><u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 23:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Boy, he sure got that one wrong...If DS had just allowed those doppelganger account tags to be put up, none of this probably would have happened....
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm)
I'm not sure what to make of the http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=31860895 of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.39.100.112
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:27pm)
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm)
I'm not sure what to make of the http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=31860895 of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.39.100.112
I only looked on at the contribs on Commons, but http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Johnny_S.&diff=prev&oldid=27348957 on de.wiki confirms it:
QUOTE
I'll see what I can do. As of a week ago I've begun to do [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DavidShankbone all my work on the Commons] after repeated requests by JKelly. I just came into possession of a better camera than the one I had when I took the F Line subway photographs (a crappy Kodak Coolpix) - I have a much better Konica as of this weekend. I enjoy the challenges you presented and will let you know as I obtain them. David Shankbone --[[Benutzer:68.39.100.112|68.39.100.112]] 15:43, 4. Feb. 2007 (CET)
Posted by: The Wales Hunter
Shankbone has always been a strange one.
When he was taking (admittedly less-than-professional) photographs of low-level celebrities on red carpets, he was arguably doing a good job for Wikipedia.
Even the photographs of most body parts were useful (and they weren't his own, despite some comments!). Though I did feel the taint and the penis were not encyclopaedic - not in subject matter, but in composure.
What made me really notice him was the disgraceful Israel bias. Sticking the picture of a Palestinian kid with a toy gun into an article was just blatant.
He could have carried on doing a decent job if he had stuck at his hobby point-and-snap but his ego seemed to get the better of him, which is a pity.
Edit: Then again, I had a theory DS had a connection with Essjay for a while and that was what all the "protection" was about, but I was a little wide of the mark!
Posted by: Apathetic
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am)
...
And after all that......he was finally nailed.
Not for any of those multitudinous sins, oh no.
That stuff wasn't important.
He was nailed for running sockpuppets, and lying about it.[/b]
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
Wikipedia's version of "tax evasion", I guess.
Posted by: the fieryangel
Meanwhile, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Georgewilliamherbert#David_Shankbone
QUOTE
George, so far I know, you've not been involved with David Shankbone. Would you mind reviewing his six-month block? I've explained the situation here. SlimVirgin 05:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
...charming, just charming....
I'm just wondering when the fun is going to start over on ED...and elsewhere...
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:03am)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am)
He was nailed for running sockpuppets, and lying about it.
I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.
Wikipedia's version of "tax evasion", I guess.
Can't touch that …
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
I wonder if Shankbone is going to call Chzz and ask how Chzz was able to sock his way through his own RfA, get caught and not get blocked - but, in fact, have admins come over here to defend the non-block.
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:04am)
Meanwhile, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Georgewilliamherbert#David_Shankbone:
QUOTE
George, so far I know, you've not been involved with David Shankbone. Would you mind reviewing his six-month block? I've explained the situation here. SlimVirgin 05:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
… charming, just charming …
What else would you expect from such an athletic supporter of PETA (Paparazzi for the Esthetic Treatment of Assholes)?
Ja Ja
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm)
"We have no knowledge of this operative".
Who said that?
Posted by: Apathetic
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am)
QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm)
"We have no knowledge of this operative".
Who said that?
It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:31pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am)
QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm)
"We have no knowledge of this operative".
Who said that?
It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.
I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?
Posted by: Apathetic
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am)
QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:31pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am)
QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm)
"We have no knowledge of this operative".
Who said that?
It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.
I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?
I'm sure similar lines have been used, but not with that exact composition. At least not according to the googz.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am)
I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?
Actually, Kurtz's best known line truly summarizes the WP experience: The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:44pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am)
I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?
Actually, Kurtz's best known line truly summarizes the WP experience: The horror! The horror!
There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Brutus @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:36am)
I wonder when the mainstream media will pick this up?
With tongs.
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:01am)
There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".
Seriously off-topic -- there is an utterly bizarre made-for-US TV version of "Heart of Darkness" from the 1950s starring Boris Karloff as Kurtz and Roddy McDowall as Marlow -- plus Eartha Kitt as a native girl. Watching that, you may hear a slight whirring sound -- it is Joseph Conrad spinning in his grave.
Posted by: the fieryangel
Well, golly! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=next&oldid=329056552
QUOTE
A few thoughts
I'm surprised, frankly, by how clueless I was in not thinking that these accounts would be such a firestorm. I knew there were some people who felt I should slap some sort of tag on them, but the guidelines over this are unclear. I'm also surprised that people feel I was trying to "avoid scrutiny" considering that both the two photography accounts, User:Bucktoothed beaver and User:Fat Jenny foto fixer were putting up David Shankbone photos that David Shankbone had just uploaded on Commons. User:A Knavish Bonded--an account I started specifically to 'start over' during the 2008 stalking episode until people kept pointing out it was obviously me--only was being used to re-design my User page since I decided to ditch it to return to the DS account. As Delicious carbuncle wrote, the connections were "mind-numbingly obvious". Although I was aware that creating those accounts was not optimal, if I wanted to be totally deceptive for nefarious reasons I wouldn't have done it this way.
It's probably true that to a degree these actions reflect a boredom with the site, but also an annoyance. I do find the environment here a challenge to enjoy more than it used to be for me and I probably have cared less and less whether I contribute in the way everyone else prescribes, or at all. So, I don't mind the six month block, and I don't mind if it is shortened or lengthened. In truth, the block is an effective way to help me focus on my writing and not in taking/uploading photos (something I enjoy, but takes a lot of time).
So, once everyone gets over these dastardly accounts, and the rash one-off comment that I made as Littlefoote in the midst of a tense time, I hope you'll see that for three years I spent at times up to six nights a week going to events to produce thousands of photographs so that we had some images where we used to have none.
I won't be checking back here or following any discussions on-wiki or off-wiki, but I welcome e-mails from anyone who wants to reply. In about a week I'll remove this message. I've moved on, and don't hold ill will toward anyone here (nor even at the Wikipedia Review). It's funny how when you disengage, all these silly political arguments and drahmaz cease to matter at all after a few days. I'm very proud of everything I accomplished here, and in the friends I have made on the site, but I'm also looking forward to living a less conflict-oriented existence in my spare time. My Wiki friends--for whom I feel most bummed if they were upset by the cluelessness I referenced above--know they can always call on me if they ever need something. Take care, David Shankbone 16:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised, frankly, by how clueless I was in not thinking that these accounts would be such a firestorm. I knew there were some people who felt I should slap some sort of tag on them, but the guidelines over this are unclear. I'm also surprised that people feel I was trying to "avoid scrutiny" considering that both the two photography accounts, User:Bucktoothed beaver and User:Fat Jenny foto fixer were putting up David Shankbone photos that David Shankbone had just uploaded on Commons. User:A Knavish Bonded--an account I started specifically to 'start over' during the 2008 stalking episode until people kept pointing out it was obviously me--only was being used to re-design my User page since I decided to ditch it to return to the DS account. As Delicious carbuncle wrote, the connections were "mind-numbingly obvious". Although I was aware that creating those accounts was not optimal, if I wanted to be totally deceptive for nefarious reasons I wouldn't have done it this way.
It's probably true that to a degree these actions reflect a boredom with the site, but also an annoyance. I do find the environment here a challenge to enjoy more than it used to be for me and I probably have cared less and less whether I contribute in the way everyone else prescribes, or at all. So, I don't mind the six month block, and I don't mind if it is shortened or lengthened. In truth, the block is an effective way to help me focus on my writing and not in taking/uploading photos (something I enjoy, but takes a lot of time).
So, once everyone gets over these dastardly accounts, and the rash one-off comment that I made as Littlefoote in the midst of a tense time, I hope you'll see that for three years I spent at times up to six nights a week going to events to produce thousands of photographs so that we had some images where we used to have none.
I won't be checking back here or following any discussions on-wiki or off-wiki, but I welcome e-mails from anyone who wants to reply. In about a week I'll remove this message. I've moved on, and don't hold ill will toward anyone here (nor even at the Wikipedia Review). It's funny how when you disengage, all these silly political arguments and drahmaz cease to matter at all after a few days. I'm very proud of everything I accomplished here, and in the friends I have made on the site, but I'm also looking forward to living a less conflict-oriented existence in my spare time. My Wiki friends--for whom I feel most bummed if they were upset by the cluelessness I referenced above--know they can always call on me if they ever need something. Take care, David Shankbone 16:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
...Welp, we'll see how this works out, won't we?
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:41am)
Well, golly! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=next&oldid=329056552
QUOTE
I'm very proud of everything I accomplished here...
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:12am)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:01am)
There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".
Seriously off-topic -- there is an utterly bizarre made-for-US TV version of "Heart of Darkness" from the 1950s starring Boris Karloff as Kurtz and Roddy McDowall as Marlow -- plus Eartha Kitt as a native girl. Watching that, you may hear a slight whirring sound -- it is Joseph Conrad spinning in his grave.
I haven't seen it, but I can imagine Karloff doing a decent Kurtz. McDowall's natural part would be as the White Russian/Photographer-- you know, the guy who goes for whatever propaganda is propagated by the system he's in. (True story-- Brando refused to even be on the same set as Dennis Hopper).
Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:48pm)
Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."
Surely you mean The Big Sleep, in which Bogart actually did play Marlowe.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 1st December 2009, 12:52pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:48pm)
Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."
Surely you mean The Big Sleep, in which Bogart actually did play Marlowe.
Yep. Chandler's Marlowe is much more interesting character, much more like his version in Apocalypse. Conrad's Marlow hardly has a personality-- he's just eyes for the reader.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:34pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:27pm)
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm)
I'm not sure what to make of the http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=31860895 of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.39.100.112
I only looked on at the contribs on Commons, but http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Johnny_S.&diff=prev&oldid=27348957 on de.wiki confirms it:
QUOTE
I'll see what I can do. As of a week ago I've begun to do [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DavidShankbone all my work on the Commons] after repeated requests by JKelly. I just came into possession of a better camera than the one I had when I took the F Line subway photographs (a crappy Kodak Coolpix) - I have a much better Konica as of this weekend. I enjoy the challenges you presented and will let you know as I obtain them. David Shankbone --[[Benutzer:68.39.100.112|68.39.100.112]] 15:43, 4. Feb. 2007 (CET)
Looking up http://toolserver.org/~chm/whois.php?ip=68.39.100.112 indicates that it belongs to Comcast, which http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thekohser&diff=240616890&oldid=240549291#Your_continuing_sockpuppetry
QUOTE
I'm curious why you use sockpuppets on Foot fetish articles, but not
to fix cable articles? You previously left a comment with your Comcast
IP on the talk page, from the same range and the same location you
used over on Meta, and that you also used to troll me on the Chihuahua
page[1], even making a seeming threat. We can run Checkusers to verify
all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't
the way to win my love. But I have two questions: 1) why do you use
sockpuppets and meatpuppets to troll me, but you won't use them to fix
your cable company problems? The second question is how far would you
like to take this, because it is about to go further than you might be
able to imagine? --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
to fix cable articles? You previously left a comment with your Comcast
IP on the talk page, from the same range and the same location you
used over on Meta, and that you also used to troll me on the Chihuahua
page[1], even making a seeming threat. We can run Checkusers to verify
all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't
the way to win my love. But I have two questions: 1) why do you use
sockpuppets and meatpuppets to troll me, but you won't use them to fix
your cable company problems? The second question is how far would you
like to take this, because it is about to go further than you might be
able to imagine? --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:48pm)
I haven't seen it, but I can imagine Karloff doing a decent Kurtz. McDowall's natural part would be as the White Russian/Photographer-- you know, the guy who goes for whatever propaganda is propagated by the system he's in. (True story-- Brando refused to even be on the same set as Dennis Hopper).
Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."
Once you get past the notion of Boris Karloff running around shirtless and acting very strange, you can appreciate the offbeat nature of the casting. McDowall is miscast, of course -- too whiny and weak (though the screenplay, admittedly, doesn't do him any favors). Maybe a young Laurence Harvey as Marlow?
Posted by: Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:11am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:57am)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name?
Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D)
with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since his photo ended up being a contribution of a Shank sock. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364
Allstarecho left WP just in time to avoid the banhammer (he now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.66.75.195 and sticks to articles about what I assume is his alma mater's sports teams). He had some serious COI issues on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Mississippi]], an organisation that he founded. Allstarecho was topic banned from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Sanchez]] articles (and socks). He pushed the limits of this topic ban to the point that he was facing a full ban.
Coincidentally, Matt Sanchez appeared in gay porn as Pierre La Branche and Rod Majors. There are several portraits of him on Commons by none other than David Shankbone. I believe Benjiboi was also under some kind of topic ban related to Sanchez, but I may be wrong.
Factual clarification: JzG had topic banned Benjiboi and Eleemosynary at an AE thread I initiated. Eleemosynary imploded shortly afterward with the curious conjunction of Swatjester, JzG, and me all asking him to return from the brink (how often do the three of us agree on anything?) Eleemosynary was an easy call; Benjiboi less so. He tried several appeals until, months back, I extended an unsolicited offer to appeal that topic ban for him. He accepted, ArbCom agreed. Of course that was before several other issues arose. One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.
But fwiw, there are certain disputes on WP where it's an advantage to be female and straight. Less mud to be slung.
Posted by: GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:13pm)
One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.
Foolish, of course.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?
In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.
Posted by: Heat
What gets me are the SlimVirgin's contributions to the debate which directly contradict her "guilty by suspicion" and "alternate accounts are always sock" positions she's taken in the past.
QUOTE
Tznkai, could you please post the diffs here that are clear violations of SOCK so that we can see exactly which posts triggered your block? SlimVirgin 04:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE
I'm aware of that page, but I'm not seeing the violations of SOCK. I'm sorry if I'm being dense, but can someone please post the diffs here? For a six-month block, there should be multiple diffs showing unambiguous violations of the policy, and that's what I'm not seeing. SlimVirgin 04:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
my favourite
QUOTE
Bear in mind that he had stopped editing with User:David Shankbone on or around October 30. That account was created after that. Are you arguing that any account not called "David Shankbone" that edits material related to his work—even when it's obvious it's him and even after he stopped using the Shankbone account—is a violation of SOCK? SlimVirgin 04:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE
Thanks, Hesperian. These are from 2007 and 2008. The last two edits show A Knavish Bonded adding David's photographs to Chihauhau. First, are we blocking him for six months for two edits made 18 months ago? Secondly, were these really SOCK violations? It was obvious that Knavish was him. It's an anagram of his name, I believe. It edited PETA, Chihauhau, David's images, and some porn articles, all David's areas. Was this a SOCK or an alternate account? SlimVirgin 05:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
So who wants to start posting instances of SV saying the precise opposite about people she didn't like who have been branded sockpuppets or better yet, people she branded as socks for doing the exact same thing that she's saying is not sockpuppetry now (eg "leaving" wikipedia but continuing editing with a series of throw away accounts; use of alternate accounts; digging up evidence from more than a year ago in order to justify banning someone etc)?
Posted by: Cla68
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:13pm)
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:11am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:57am)
IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name?
Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D)
with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since his photo ended up being a contribution of a Shank sock. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluffer&diff=prev&oldid=325740364
Allstarecho left WP just in time to avoid the banhammer (he now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.66.75.195 and sticks to articles about what I assume is his alma mater's sports teams). He had some serious COI issues on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Mississippi]], an organisation that he founded. Allstarecho was topic banned from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Sanchez]] articles (and socks). He pushed the limits of this topic ban to the point that he was facing a full ban.
Coincidentally, Matt Sanchez appeared in gay porn as Pierre La Branche and Rod Majors. There are several portraits of him on Commons by none other than David Shankbone. I believe Benjiboi was also under some kind of topic ban related to Sanchez, but I may be wrong.
Factual clarification: JzG had topic banned Benjiboi and Eleemosynary at an AE thread I initiated. Eleemosynary imploded shortly afterward with the curious conjunction of Swatjester, JzG, and me all asking him to return from the brink (how often do the three of us agree on anything?) Eleemosynary was an easy call; Benjiboi less so. He tried several appeals until, months back, I extended an unsolicited offer to appeal that topic ban for him. He accepted, ArbCom agreed. Of course that was before several other issues arose. One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.
But fwiw, there are certain disputes on WP where it's an advantage to be female and straight. Less mud to be slung.
From what I'm seeing so far in this episode, there are still certain articles that Benjiboi needs to be told to stay away from.
Posted by: Cock-up-over-conspiracy
QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:41pm)
What made me really notice him was the disgraceful Israel bias. Sticking the picture of a Palestinian kid with a toy gun into an article was just blatant.
Edit: Then again, I had a theory DS had a connection with Essjay for a while and that was what all the "protection" was about ...
Edit: Then again, I had a theory DS had a connection with Essjay for a while and that was what all the "protection" was about ...
You mean, he knows more than he has said ... and so he was being protected, to stop him making a queen-sized drama?
Allow me to state an obvious theory ... and anyone would be dumb not to consider it ... Jimbo et all were hanging out for big Jewish American money and Shankbone's 'usefulness' to the Israeli Conslutate [sic] in New York was good in.
Of course, David Shankbone was a lot less useful than he could have been IF he had kept his head screwed on. We are surely left having to consider that David Saranga's, Israel's man, prejudices must have blinded by the Fire Island / Michael Lucas hard core gay porn connection.
I mean, if "Israel" was spending money, and had really wanted to achieve something on the Pornopee-dia, practically ANY contributor could have contributed better photographs. They could have easily gotten a pro level photographer. So what are we to make of all that?
I don't suspect Wales et al has any racial, religious or political bias ... but I could imagine a money interest. It is all fairly slimy really ...
Why did the 'ethical review' of all this have to take all the energy it has done to achieve, and
Why did the emphasis come from over here ... and
for what?
A token and meaningless tap on the wrist of his cyber ego!?!
Personally, I think you missed some of the other socks we referred to on the Benjiboi and other threads. It all speak of disrespect for the project and others.
Posted by: Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm)
QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?
In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.
His Majesty is offering a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone#Results. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again.
Posted by: Cla68
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 12:34am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm)
QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?
In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.
His Majesty is offering a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone#Results. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again.
Unfortunately, he still refuses to admit that he did anything wrong.
Posted by: Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 9th December 2009, 1:18am)
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 12:34am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm)
QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?
In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.
His Majesty is offering a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone#Results. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again.
Unfortunately, he still refuses to admit that he did anything wrong.
Well yeah, but at least he's offering cash. Am not sure why... (shrug).
Posted by: Somey
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 8th December 2009, 10:36pm)
Well yeah, but at least he's offering cash. Am not sure why... (shrug).
Cash is always easier than an apology, or admitting that you did something hurtful... Cash is also supposed to be good for shutting people up.
I probably shouldn't push everyone's collective luck by saying such things, of course...
Posted by: thekohser
Let's be very clear. What Shankbone promised was a $50 check TO ME (or my film director doppelganger), which then may be contributed to WR, or wherever, if he ever contributed again to any Wikimedia project.
He then edited again in the same thread, which he then characterized as not "making a contribution". I guess he means article space and/or those valuable images of his.
Whatever. Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking for either the $50 (which will likely get split between ProCon.org, WR, and the Internet Review Corporation, if I am truly the executor of that gift) or a very clear definition of what he considers "making a contribution".
(I firmly expect he'll create or has already created another sock or two from a pristine IP address, and one day in the future we'll see edits to Michael Lucas or Israeli tourism related topics, and Lar and Alison will either remember or neglect to remember to Checkuser that "new" editor, and Shankbone will be back in business before March Madness tips off.
It's just the nature of obsessive-compulsive personalities. I know them well.
Posted by: Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:06pm)
Let's be very clear. What Shankbone promised was a $50 check TO ME (or my film director doppelganger), which then may be contributed to WR, or wherever, if he ever contributed again to any Wikimedia project.
He then edited again in the same thread, which he then characterized as not "making a contribution". I guess he means article space and/or those valuable images of his.
Whatever. Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking for either the $50 (which will likely get split between ProCon.org, WR, and the Internet Review Corporation, if I am truly the executor of that gift) or a very clear definition of what he considers "making a contribution".
Fair enough. From an initial reading it looked like he wanted to donate to WR but didn't know how to do it. Which was why a referral to mgt. seemed appropriate. Still not sure what he intended at the end, although the ambiguous notion of "contribution" (images to Commons? Cash to Greg or WR?) has become contingent upon me ceasing something I don't think I've ever done to him. An excuse to vanish with the cash in a cloud of FUD?
At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm)
At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.
Check out the Crisco discussion elsewhere on WR -- something besides the eye is being opened there!
Posted by: thekohser
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm)
Still not sure what he intended at the end
He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".
This doesn't seem unclear or vague to me in any way. Maybe I just "read" Shankbone better than you, Durova.
Posted by: Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:42pm)
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm)
At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.
Check out the Crisco discussion elsewhere on WR -- something besides the eye is being opened there!
Strangely enough, content work for the MILHIST project is distinctly more interesting...
Posted by: Random832
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:43pm)
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm)
Still not sure what he intended at the end
He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".
Or alternately it's meant to make us believe he's serious about holding himself to it.
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(Random832 @ Wed 9th December 2009, 9:26pm)
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:43pm)
He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".
Or alternately it's meant to make us believe he's serious about holding himself to it.
I may be way off base here, but I tend to think that the [[David Shankbone]] article appeared as Shankbone himself was already preparing to move on. I don't think that his withdrawal from WP was the result of the article being deleted, but it accelerated the pace. I'm sure there would have been a small amount of activity maintaining and polishing his bio, but I think he was already winding down.
Perhaps he was aware that the tide was finally turning against him and he wanted to get that bio up while he still could. He was a bit too late. Between the editors who had grown tired of his antics and those who were concerned that it would become a target, he couldn't keep it up. Add to this the increased scrutiny his edits were receiving because of the bio and it was just time to call it a day.
He has said that things are going well for him in his real life right now, so hopefully he will be able to make a permanent break from WP and not keep coming back to snipe at his foes with sockpuppets. But getting Shankbone to give WR $50 is about as likely as ... well ... nevermind, I was going to something about Daniel Brandt taking down Hivemind, but you can make your own joke here involving some combination of horses, Crisco, Ron Livingston, and a fictional casting director...
Posted by: SB_Johnny
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 8th December 2009, 7:34pm)
His Majesty is offering a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/David_Shankbone#Results. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again.
My dear Witch, you weren't making things any easier for those of us who didn't have to "recuse ourselves" (i.e.: who couldn't give a crap about "His Majesty"'s antics) by taunting him here on WR (which he clearly reads).
"Drama reducing" my ass. I haven't the slightest idea what you two were jabbing each other about, but you sure seem to know where his buttons are and what the buttons do.