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QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 19th November 2008, 7:27pm) Here is the thread from last year's fundraiser. Greg kept a running tally. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...9&hl=fundraiserI recall from last year that the funds were way short of targets for weeks, until some wealthy dupes, who had obviously fallen for The Con hook-line-and-sinker, dug into their pockets and bailed the thing out. Was it really fall? I don't think they were duped, they know what they were doing. 'Wealthy' people are wealthy because they know what to do with their money. It's a form of corruption probably.
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QUOTE(Xidaf @ Wed 19th November 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 19th November 2008, 7:27pm) Here is the thread from last year's fundraiser. Greg kept a running tally. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...9&hl=fundraiserI recall from last year that the funds were way short of targets for weeks, until some wealthy dupes, who had obviously fallen for The Con hook-line-and-sinker, dug into their pockets and bailed the thing out. Was it really fall? I don't think they were duped, they know what they were doing. 'Wealthy' people are wealthy because they know what to do with their money. It's a form of corruption probably. Might you be suggesting this?:
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 21st November 2008, 2:24am) QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 21st November 2008, 2:03am) Anyone remember how much they actually started with? It wasn't 0, I thought it was close to 1 million already donated.
They got 2 million at the outset from private donations, so they are misleading people into thinking that ordinary public donations have got them where they are now. And from the PDF, the two highest donations were from anonymous donators.
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QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 22nd November 2008, 11:18am) They are not going to make anything like $6million. The bloom has gone from the rose.
I remember two years ago that any criticism of Wikipedia on say, Slashdot, was immediately modded down and/or I was attacked in personal terms, but such halcyon days for Jimbo have long gone. Wikia is struggling as well.
It's time for investors to actually ask the question as to what it is they are investing in.
Wikipedia as a project has shown little progress this last two years, and really, it seems doomed to failure, in the medium term. Seriously who's want to invest in it? Funny thing, they only needed $2,000,000 a couple of years ago, if my memory serves me. Why the big "jump" in costs, surly inflation is only running at 5% per annum. I think they are getting greedy at the Foundation. Or maybe Jimbo has a different plan: He fails to get his $6,000,000, and then makes a plea to the community to put some "limited" advertising on WP, in order to keep the project afloat. Then the door is wide open to advertising, and Jimbo becomes a zillionaire! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif)
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QUOTE(Gold heart @ Sat 22nd November 2008, 6:20pm) QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 22nd November 2008, 11:18am) They are not going to make anything like $6million. The bloom has gone from the rose.
I remember two years ago that any criticism of Wikipedia on say, Slashdot, was immediately modded down and/or I was attacked in personal terms, but such halcyon days for Jimbo have long gone. Wikia is struggling as well.
It's time for investors to actually ask the question as to what it is they are investing in.
Wikipedia as a project has shown little progress this last two years, and really, it seems doomed to failure, in the medium term. Seriously who's want to invest in it? Funny thing, they only needed $2,000,000 a couple of years ago, if my memory serves me. Why the big "jump" in costs, surly inflation is only running at 5% per annum. I think they are getting greedy at the Foundation. They are getting concerned with self-preservation. The laws of the state of Florida are likely to be a lot tougher as regards internet "porn" serving (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) than the laws of California. And it costs a whole hell of a lot more to do ANYTHING in California than Florida (where your employees don't even have a personal state income tax), and all kinds of business and regulatory taxes are higher, as well. Sales taxes go from 6 to 7.5% on everything, for example, even if you're a 501-c-3. Then add that to paying for office space in San Francisco and probably housing also (which is why the actual Bay Area middle class lives in Oakland...), and you've got a recipe for financial disaster. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) All of this for a foundation that is just paying for air-conditioned server space at the end of a fiberoptic cable, and could be on any piece of cheap land in the country-- for example some rural bit of Arizona or Texas. But the cheaper the land, the more rednecked the locals and laws are likely to be, and then there's your porn problem, again. Plus, Jimbo and crew would feel culturally deprived! Like, they weren't used to that in Florida, or Alabama. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) But it's your duty to pay for the cultural development of Jimbo and FloSue. I think Sue Gardener's 300 k a year salary (did we not get that from the WMF tax returns??) helps with that, but in SF, it doesn't go as far as you'd think. Do you know what one of those cute Victorian houses on Market costs, even today? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)
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