Gamaliel vs. Republicans Options

[victim of censorship]

I would appear that Gamaliel (T-C-L-K-R-D) is now back in the play as the thug admin of the the IP /20 bans, upholding is agenda of wild abusive admin.

see some of his recent work...

Part 1

Part2

Part 3

and so on and so on and so on...

Grand Gamaliel roars in like a lion, to savage all those who are not suckling the little trunk between his short pudgy legs .

This post has been edited by victim of censorship: Tue 15th February 2011, 4:55pm

[Tarc]

1) a reversion of an IP's (you?) malformed attempt at solicitiing for Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Conservatism (T-H-L-K-D). I'm not sure how one is expected to go about getting support for new WikiProjects, but is targeting the talk pages of conservative public figures the right way to go?

2) worldnetdaily is not a reliable source. Surly something normal/legitimate can be founed to source the "While serving in Taji, Iraq, on August 20, 2003, West was in charge of the interrogation of Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer suspected of having information about attacks on American troops in the area" line?

3) If reliable sources have noted the issue of lucianne.com and hate group messages, then it may be relevant to the topic. Take it up on the article's talk page.

[victim of censorship]

I would appear that Gamaliel (T-C-L-K-R-D) is now back in the play as the thug admin of the the IP /20 bans, upholding is agenda of wild abusive admin.

see some of his recent work...

Part 1

Part2

Part 3

and so on and so on and so on...

Grand Gamaliel roars in like a lion, to savage all those who are not suckling the little trunk between his short pudgy legs .

See how the Grand Gamiel uses the double standard and forked tongue to push his POV.

This post has been edited by victim of censorship: Sat 19th February 2011, 2:05am

[Tarc]

I would appear that Gamaliel (T-C-L-K-R-D) is now back in the play as the thug admin of the the IP /20 bans, upholding is agenda of wild abusive admin.

see some of his recent work...

Part 1

Part2

Part 3

and so on and so on and so on...

Grand Gamaliel roars in like a lion, to savage all those who are not suckling the little trunk between his short pudgy legs .

See how the Grand Gamiel uses the double standard and forked tongue to push his POV.

Yes, it must be "pushing POV" when one reverts your sock-dribble about partial-birth abortions.

Protip; just because Glenn Beck sheds a few crocodile tears and says it, doesn't make it true.

[Somey]

Are we assuming here that Megarian1973 (T-C-L-K-R-D) is, in fact, Mr. Victim? The talk page thread has been archived to this page, by the way.

If so, it looks like Mr. Victim is trying to say that columns written by Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow should be given the same treatment by Gamaliel (T-C-L-K-R-D) as columns by George Will - and really, there's nothing wrong with that assertion. However, none of them should be used as sources for factual information.

As for Barbara Boxer... if it were me, and I was an abortion opponent, I think I could come up with a more subtle way of stating that her position is "extreme" than this sort of thing, but that begs the question of whether or not Gamaliel would allow it under any circumstances whatsoever. (Let's face it, her position is further from the mainstream than all but a handful of US legislators.)

Thankfully I'm pro-choice, like most loyal, patriotic Americans, so I don't have to bother with that.

[Zoloft]

I miss my daily hate from Keith Olbermann. In honor of his excess, I quote:

"Where are the jobs, Mr. Speaker?"

Republicans in the House have not proposed a single piece of legislation to lift up the middle class or provide work.

[victim of censorship]

Are we assuming here that Megarian1973 (T-C-L-K-R-D) is, in fact, Mr. Victim? The talk page thread has been archived to this page, by the way.

If so, it looks like Mr. Victim is trying to say that columns written by Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow should be given the same treatment by Gamaliel (T-C-L-K-R-D) as columns by George Will - and really, there's nothing wrong with that assertion. However, none of them should be used as sources for factual information.

As for Barbara Boxer... if it were me, and I was an abortion opponent, I think I could come up with a more subtle way of stating that her position is "extreme" than this sort of thing, but that begs the question of whether or not Gamaliel would allow it under any circumstances whatsoever. (Let's face it, her position is further from the mainstream than all but a handful of US legislators.)

Thankfully I'm pro-choice, like most loyal, patriotic Americans, so I don't have to bother with that.

Ha, I'm not Megarian1973 and Gamaliel and Tarhead are pigs.


For the record, I think "pro-choice" as a means of "birth control" is evil and wrong.

Considering the huge demand by childless couples to adopt, there is no need to Abort children, when the birth mother can easily find able and loving couples to adopt unwanted children.

99% of the abortions, in this the us are strictly due to a lack, or failure, unwillingness to use birth control.

I'm glad my young mother did not decide for pro-choice.


for Zoloft, how come in every state where the democratic party prevails, unemployment is at record highs... and states where Republican party prevails, the unemployment is much lower.

Also, Watch Wisconsin, and see the majority of the taxpayer rebel over the slavery they are under, via the public service unions with huge wages and benefit differences between then and the majority of the workers in the privet sector. This is the fruits of Democrat thug tyranny.

This post has been edited by victim of censorship: Wed 23rd February 2011, 5:46am

[Zoloft]

Where are the job bills?

Republicans campaigned on jobs.

Where are the proposals to create the jobs the economy needs?

Where are the small business credit proposals - the banks are sitting on a trillion dollars and not loaning it out.

Where are the job bills?

Republicans press for less spending on 'abortion' - or any services to the poor or needy.

Where are the job bills?

Republicans say, cut, cut, cut federal and state jobs while our economy tries to stagger up from the recession.

Where are the job bills?

You control the House.

Where are the job bills?

Republicans hand billions in tax cuts to the same corporations that ship our jobs overseas.

Where are the job bills?

[Somey]

Considering the huge demand by childless couples to adopt, there is no need to Abort children, when the birth mother can easily find able and loving couples to adopt unwanted children.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, of course. However, until we discover that all this time you've actually been an unmarried woman in her mid-30's, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

[Milton Roe]

Where are the job bills?

Republicans campaigned on jobs.

Where are the proposals to create the jobs the economy needs?

Republicans forget to say just how they're going to create jobs. Alas, they are clueless. Obviously one cannot "create" a job by simply paying somebody to do something at taxpayer expense, as that destroys a job for every one it creates (money you pay to the government you would otherwise have been paying to somebody for some good or service that would have employed just as many people).

So how the hell DO you create jobs in a country?

Well, you could eliminate taxation of capital gains of any kind, so that people would tend to save and invest more. That's like a tax break for first home mortage interest, or for certain IRA savings accounts. Gee that certainly stimulated people to buy homes (it was part of what drove the housing bubble). And it certainly simulates IRA saving. More investment in industry would create jobs.

Politically, however, it seems to be a dead fish. Everybody knows it benefits only wealthy people, because they're the only people who ever see any return to capital investment. Riiight. And here is where democracy fails, as the average person would rather be jobless than envious.

Or-- You could extend patent protection so it was some time approximating copyright. Naw, the political pull is with the entertainment industry, see the Mickey Mouse protection extension act. The folks who invent and make things for a living, are too poor to have that kind of political pull. For some reason.

You could use the money to fund pure research on things that won't pay off in the time frame of your average patent or industrial development cycle. But how then do you keep people in other countries from just free-riding on the information you create that way? To make jobs for THEM instead of YOU? It's a bad way to tow a planet, with all of them "drafting" you as front-runner.

I'm out of ideas. My best ones feel like they've been presented to WP:PERRENIAL (Proposals) too many times and stomped on, each time.

Oh, I know, HK will say: build infrastructure. And perhaps he's right. Choose it wisely, though. It must be something like better (or new) rail transportation that industry can't do on its own, due to red tape that the government itself can just eminent domain-away.

[Somey]

Republicans forget to say just how they're going to create jobs. Alas, they are clueless. Obviously one cannot "create" a job by simply paying somebody to do something at taxpayer expense, as that destroys a job for every one it creates (money you pay to the government you would otherwise have been paying to somebody for some good or service that would have employed just as many people).

So how the hell DO you create jobs in a country?

I believe what Mr. Zoloft may have been alluding to (correct me if I'm totally wrong) is that most new job-creation in the USA occurs as a result of small-business development and expansion. Republicans appear to be only interested in big business development and expansion, and of course, what do big businesses do? They cut costs, they sell off entire divisions to foreigners, they outsource, and they demand tax breaks and costly infrastructure improvements that solely benefit them, or else they'll relocate to some other locality.

Some Republicans will say they support small businesses, but of course, they obviously don't. (Admittedly, the same could be said of many Democrats.) And frankly, the only reason any of them even support infrastructure improvements is because they figure most of the money can be funneled to big-business contractors, etc.

There's plenty they could do to help small businesses expand, some of which wouldn't even cost anything. But the chances any of those things will get done while the Republicans control the House is practically negligible.

[Jon Awbrey]

Plus you have to realize that even GM doesn't count as a business big enough for the Ripofflichens anymore. Any business that actually hires people to produce goods is wasting too much of its capital on non-essentials to have much impact on politics these days.

Jon

(And please, please fix the title before I )

[Zoloft]

I am in the rare position of agreeing with Milt, Somey, and Jon.

Republicans are enabling outsourcing, helping giant corporations at the expense of small ones, and display no movement on encouraging loans to small business.

But they believe now, right now, is the right time to fight the ideological wars...

Republicans have the House.

Where is their legislation to improve the economy and help put Americans back to work?

The quickest way to reduce the deficit is increase government income by having a vibrant economy. Then you can cut back on government services and balance the budget.

Republicans. Quit pushing the right-wing social agenda, and get your shoulder behind the wheel of the economy, and help out a bit. You would find me voting for you.

Govern! Remember, it's a verb, and implies action.

[Tarc]

Ha, I'm not Megarian1973 and Gamaliel and Tarhead are pigs.

Is your pathological deception so ingrown that you cannot admit your own socks? Shall I point out the last thread we had about this where I caught you red-handed doing your typical typos and mannerisms?

99% of the abortions, in this the us are strictly due to a lack, or failure, unwillingness to use birth control.

That is perhaps the stupidest fucking thing you have ever uttered on these boards.

I'm glad my young mother did not decide for pro-choice.

This just begs for a response, but it's no fun when it is so easy.

Republicans. Quit pushing the right-wing social agenda, and get your shoulder behind the wheel of the economy, and help out a bit. You would find me voting for you.

What you're looking for is a Rockefeller Republican (T-H-L-K-D), which is what I used to be until the early 90's or so when the extinction of the species was near-complete.

This post has been edited by Tarc: Wed 23rd February 2011, 5:41pm

[Zoloft]

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Republicans. Quit pushing the right-wing social agenda, and get your shoulder behind the wheel of the economy, and help out a bit. You would find me voting for you.

What you're looking for is a Rockefeller Republican (T-H-L-K-D), which is what I used to be until the early 90's or so when the extinction of the species was near-complete.

Yeah. That was where I wanted to end up after being a liberal Democrat in my youth, but that pond is all dried up now.

[victim of censorship]

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[quote name='victim of censorship' post='269173' date='Wed 23rd February 2011, 12:38am']Ha, I'm not Megarian1973 and Gamaliel and Tarhead are pigs.
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[quote]Is your pathological deception so ingrown that you cannot admit your own socks? Shall I point out the last thread we had about this where I caught you red-handed doing your typical typos and mannerisms?[/quote]


You are a real jag off. You hare been so warped by the wikki, that any one you don't agree with is a sock. Magarian is not me.

For the lefties who need to understand Unions/ and the taxpayer.



And some thoughts about public unions by the great lefty himself.. FDR

This post has been edited by victim of censorship: Wed 23rd February 2011, 6:59pm

[Tarc]

You are a real jag off.

You seem to have a familiarity with the Chicago scenery, are you perchance a Wesley Willis fan? "Jag off" was an oft-used phrase in many of his songs.

You hare been so warped by the wikki, that any one you don't agree with is a sock. Magarian is not me.

Oh, JoJo...

This post has been edited by Tarc: Wed 23rd February 2011, 8:16pm

[Somey]

Is your pathological deception so ingrown that you cannot admit your own socks? Shall I point out the last thread we had about this where I caught you red-handed doing your typical typos and mannerisms?

Uh-oh, it's that "behavioral and lexigraphical markers" thing again. You should know better than to rely on that!

It's hardly implausible that this "Magarian" account doesn't belong to Mr. Victim - after all, Barbara Boxer is a California legislator, not an Illinois legislator, and abortion hasn't been one of Mr. Victim's main issues in the past... has it? It stands to reason that he'd be against abortion, but if he's been up in arms over it before now, I don't recall it off the top of my head. In any event, there are lots and lots and lots of right-wing folks, and many of them sound pretty similar - they all watch the same cable news network, remember?

For the lefties who need to understand Unions/ and the taxpayer.

This is a classic example, actually. Here we are, talking about abortion and how the Republicans are making a big deal about that while tons of people are still out of work. But Mr. Victim simply takes the current Fox News line and tries to change the subject to "unions," as if unions have anything to do with either of those problems (if anything, the existence of unions helps to keep overall unemployment from getting out of control, since they make it marginally more difficult for larger companies to simply fire people en masse whenever the mood strikes them).

Here's another case in point. I operate a small business of sorts, and as such I've subscribed to one or two online newsletters in the past, and as a result I get a lot of "management training" spam. Today I got some spam asking that I register for an "Independent Contractor Workshop: How to Comply and Avoid the IRS/DOL Crackdown." This is in response to a recent IRS initiative against companies who hire people as full-time contractors (instead of employees) to avoid paying them any benefits. (Note that these regulations have existed for some time, they just haven't been well-enforced before).

Rather than suggest ways to get into compliance by ending this nefarious practice, this is what the seminar (run by "Business Management Daily") wants to teach me how to do:

• How to create foolproof independent contractor relationships that meet IRS, DOL and state agency requirements.
• The benefits of using independent contractors (same work, lower costs, fewer hassles) and the inherent risks (reclassifications leading to huge tax, wage and benefit payments).
• Why the feds are cracking down now, what they’re looking for and how you can achieve compliance.
• The key factors the DOL and IRS consider (and you should, too) in making classification decisions. The IRS test, the so–called "Darden Factors" and "Economic Realities" standard will be explained.
• Important court cases, including the infamous FedEx case, that help draw a brighter line between contractors and employees.
• The 8 steps you should take to create legally safe dealings with independent contractors.
• When you can have a "joint employer" relationship with a contracting agency—and what to be aware of.

It's pretty clear to me from reading this that the training demand is from people who might want to learn how to keep doing what these bad-actor companies are doing, not for how to make the transition to being good corporate citizens. Perhaps it's understandable that companies might have preferred to hire contractors in the past, what with the lack of health-care reform in the US and the resulting costs. But now that that's changing, what's the problem? Clearly the problem is that in the past, these companies simply have never been expected to support the US economy or the USA in general, and in fact they've gotten used to the idea that the USA exists mostly to support them, not the other way around.

In fact, I expect many of these companies to respond to this so-called "crackdown" by increasing their outsourcing activity, if not moving themselves completely offshore - rather than actually hire American workers. In that case, I believe they should be subjected to crippling selective tariffs, which hopefully would give smaller companies an edge in replacing them in the marketplace.

[EricBarbour]

I'll just drop this into the discussion.

That said, it's terribly amusing to me when Joe trolls wiki-twitties.
You deserve him, Tarc. And political beliefs aside, Gamaliel is still an asshole.

[Milton Roe]

Republicans forget to say just how they're going to create jobs. Alas, they are clueless. Obviously one cannot "create" a job by simply paying somebody to do something at taxpayer expense, as that destroys a job for every one it creates (money you pay to the government you would otherwise have been paying to somebody for some good or service that would have employed just as many people).

So how the hell DO you create jobs in a country?

I believe what Mr. Zoloft may have been alluding to (correct me if I'm totally wrong) is that most new job-creation in the USA occurs as a result of small-business development and expansion. Republicans appear to be only interested in big business development and expansion, and of course, what do big businesses do? They cut costs, they sell off entire divisions to foreigners, they outsource, and they demand tax breaks and costly infrastructure improvements that solely benefit them, or else they'll relocate to some other locality.

Some Republicans will say they support small businesses, but of course, they obviously don't. (Admittedly, the same could be said of many Democrats.) And frankly, the only reason any of them even support infrastructure improvements is because they figure most of the money can be funneled to big-business contractors, etc.

The size of the business is unimportant so long as the jobs stay in the US. You can't really outsource building of a road very much. Even if the construction company is foreign, they have to do the work where the project is. If Toyota has a car plant in Huntsville, who cares who owns it? Admittedly that plant doesn't provide all that many jobs (400 or something).

Toyota shut down the NUMMI plant in Fremont CA in 2010, causing about 5000 people to lose jobs (including some screwed out of pensions). Toyota got some US taxpayer money in the process (I don't know how that creates jobs). This plant has since re-opened to to make the Tesla electric car with some advanced-tech loans from the government. I suppose that creates jobs, but not if it has to shut down again in the future, because people don't want the product (electric cars). If they did want the product, one presumes that Teslas would have been produced by Toyota on their own investment dime. So this kind of thing is not necessarily the answer. It only works if the government is smarter about the future of the market than the market players are. Which usually doesn't happen.

If you look at what the average American does for a living, you see we're already down to only jobs that are NOT outsourceable. Stuff like security, service, transportation, construction, and on-site managment of all this. If we want stuff made INSIDE the US that is now made OUTSIDE the US, we're going to have to solve the benefits problem. Which means the healthcare cost problem. It's all one of those gordian knot things.