One SlimVirgin question answered, while two more emerge in its place. Options

[WordBomb]

There's been a bit of speculation as to the nature of the long-deleted Slimv account.

As I mentioned last week, I have several database dumps, which I've been painstakingly reviewing in search of insights on this and the many other odd deletions made by Musical Linguist in early June of 2006.

Trust me when I say: there is some wild stuff in there.

Wild.

The main SlimVirgin content you'll have to wait for, but Slimv I shall share with you now.

It would appear that Slimv made a single edit in her career, logged November 5, 2004 to the article on Mordacai Vanunu, the guy who revealed the existence of Israel's nuclear weapons program in the mid-80s.

When Vanunu squealed, he was smart enough to do so from England, but that didn't stop the Mossad from capturing and imprisoning him in Israel for 18 years.

Slimv's contribution to the article provided some very unique insights into the role Sunday Mirror owner Robert Maxwell might have had in revealing Vanunu's treason.

Though it's been deleted, you can still see the substance of Slimv's addition by looking at the diffs that previously surrounded it.

When you do, ignore every thing above Line 15, as this is the edit that followed Slimv's. The changes you see below Line 15 were made by Slimv.

Remember, Musical Linguist said that deletion was a result of personally identifying information included in the edit. Either that's the case, or it's not. If it is: whoa. If it's not: whoa.

It's also worth noting that Musical Linguist deleted at least one edit from the Robert Maxwell article at the same time she was deleting the Vanunu edit and Slimv's user page.

One more thing.

Six days after Slimv made her one and only edit, followed a few hours later by SlimVirgin's inaugural contribution, two things happened: Mordacai Vanunu was re-arrested, and Yasser Arafat assumed room temperature. That was a busy week for Israeli intelligence.

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[the fieryangel]

Six days after Slimv made her one and only edit, followed a few hours later by SlimVirgin's inaugural contribution, two things happened: Mordacai Vanunu was re-arrested, and Yasser Arafat assumed room temperature. That was a busy week for Israeli intelligence.

Very interesting. However, if she's an agent, she's a very sloppy agent. That's what bugs me the most. Is intelligence in the hands of people this incompetent, or does she just have access to this kind of information through other channels?

Good find!

[Unrepentant Vandal]

Six days after Slimv made her one and only edit, followed a few hours later by SlimVirgin's inaugural contribution, two things happened: Mordacai Vanunu was re-arrested, and Yasser Arafat assumed room temperature. That was a busy week for Israeli intelligence.

Very interesting. However, if she's an agent, she's a very sloppy agent. That's what bugs me the most. Is intelligence in the hands of people this incompetent, or does she just have access to this kind of information through other channels?

Good find!

Surely the latter.

Although then again, there is a precedent for sloppy agents recruited from Kings (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[blissyu2]

So hang on. Is SlimVirgin this person?:

On [[September 30]], [[1986]], an American Mossad agent, [[Cheryl Bentov]], operating under the name of "Cindy" and masquerading as an American tourist, began an affair with Vanunu

American Mossad agent Cherly Bentov?

That doesn't add up to me.

Of course, how did SlimV know this information? It is pretty specialised.

Even though all that SlimV changed in that was that Cherly Bentov had had an affair with Vanunu rather than persuading him (which in itself sounds VERY James Bond like), it is still interesting.

Was this information released to the public? Is she making it up? Or is it information that only someone in the intelligence industry would know?

[Unrepentant Vandal]

So hang on. Is SlimVirgin this person?:

On [[September 30]], [[1986]], an American Mossad agent, [[Cheryl Bentov]], operating under the name of "Cindy" and masquerading as an American tourist, began an affair with Vanunu

American Mossad agent Cherly Bentov?

That doesn't add up to me.

Of course, how did SlimV know this information? It is pretty specialised.

Even though all that SlimV changed in that was that Cherly Bentov had had an affair with Vanunu rather than persuading him (which in itself sounds VERY James Bond like), it is still interesting.

Was this information released to the public? Is she making it up? Or is it information that only someone in the intelligence industry would know?

Slimmy isn't that person. And come on... how else do you "persuade" someone who knows that Mossad are after him to leave the country?

[blissyu2]

I added this to our blog page "comprehensive coverage of the slimvirgin scandal".

[anthony]

Of course, how did SlimV know this information? It is pretty specialised.

Simplest answer is that she was a journalist, and probably has/had friends who also were journalists.

By the way, this was not the only contribution by User:Slimv. There were others which were deleted earlier. You've gotta use an earlier dump to see them.

[WordBomb]

So hang on. Is SlimVirgin this person?:

On [[September 30]], [[1986]], an American Mossad agent, [[Cheryl Bentov]], operating under the name of "Cindy" and masquerading as an American tourist, began an affair with Vanunu

American Mossad agent Cherly Bentov?

That doesn't add up to me.

This is what I mean when I say that if the edit was rightly oversighted due to the inclusion of personal information, then this is the only thing it could be, in which case: whoa.

If, as I suspect, Linda Mack is not Cheryl Bentov, then there's no personal information in that edit and Musical Linguist lied when deleting it; in which case: whoa.

[anthony]

"Vanunu, immediately upon his release from prison in April 2004, said that he did not believe "Cindy" was a Mossad agent: 'She was either an FBI or a CIA agent. I spent a week with her. I saw her picture. Cindy was a young woman from Philadelphia.'"

[blissyu2]

Well, SlimVirgin has referred to herself in the past as:

- Candi
- Slim
- Sarah

One of the edits that was oversighted was one in which she signed her name as "Candi". However, we believe that this is in reference to "The SlimVirgin" (that Indonesian thing) and is of no consequence to her true identity at all. The importance of that oversighted edit was that it was a request to the administrator's noticeboard to have someone banned for bullying her over editing to the Lockerbie bombing article. The reality was that the person who was "bullying her" had been editing it for a year before SlimVirgin got there, and had protested that she was changing fact in to fiction (his edits were oversighted too). The "privacy" aspect was that SlimVirgin had played the victim from day 1, and had pretended to be the victim when she was in fact the culprit, and used this to get another user banned. Actually, he was only threatened to be banned, then he quit. That edit was oversighted too. And the admin she complained to is no longer involved in the project. I can't remember his name either.

The only "privacy" element of it was that we had discussed it here on Wikipedia Review (I know because I was the one who started the topic) and that we were able to prove that SlimVirgin was changing history in a significant way, and that she was never a genuine editor, not from day one.

There was nothing personal in any of the edits. They were oversighted to hide evidence of abuse.

Selina kept a copy, she said. I don't know where she kept a copy. Perhaps in the end she forgot to press save. We have to wait until Selina comes back from holidays to see them.

[GlassBeadGame]

So hang on. Is SlimVirgin this person?:

On [[September 30]], [[1986]], an American Mossad agent, [[Cheryl Bentov]], operating under the name of "Cindy" and masquerading as an American tourist, began an affair with Vanunu

American Mossad agent Cherly Bentov?

That doesn't add up to me.

This is what I mean when I say that if the edit was rightly oversighted due to the inclusion of personal information, then this is the only thing it could be, in which case: whoa.

If, as I suspect, Linda Mack is not Cheryl Bentov, then there's no personal information in that edit and Musical Linguist lied when deleting it; in which case: whoa.

Identifying information might mean that Sv was among a small group of people who had access to the information and not that she is named in the content. Maybe Slimv was a "recreational" player at WP, perhaps not even fully aware of the "akashic" nature of a wiki. It might be from understanding the mistake that she also realized the potential. This does not mean she was a spy or not at that time. Only that for whatever reason a very disciplined and sophisticated POV pusher was born.

[blissyu2]

From what we can tell, the only reason that the edits of SlimV were oversighted were to eliminate any accusations that SlimVirgin had a sock puppet.

I do not think that there were any controversial or wrong reasons behind SlimV's edits being oversighted. I think that they were quite legitimate.

The edits made by SlimVirgin on the Lockerbie bombing article, and the associated edits that she made to the administrator's noticeboard and to user talk pages in relation to this, her first ever edits to Wikipedia, ARE a serious issue. They don't disclose her true identity at all, but they do clearly demonstrate her agenda, and why she was at Wikipedia. It clearly demonstrates that from day one she intended to add factually incorrect information to Wikipedia, and to do it by playing damsel in distress and manipulating people to her own ends. She did this from day one. That is the so-called "private information" that was oversighted.

The only question is - what was the significance of what she changed? To understand that, we need to have an expert on the Lockerbie bombing look at the oversighted edits. This is something that we have yet to have happen. This is why we need someone like Ludwig, who wrote the Ohmy News article, and is an expert on the Lockerbie bombing, look at the oversighted edits. Hopefully Selina has them on file, or alternatively WordBomb or someone else can figure out what they were, and then when we can get an expert to come around and look at them, then he can figure out precisely what was changed, and what it means.

I suspect that it was just as significant as the truth-changing on the PA article, which I can tell very easily because I am an expert on the topic. What we need here is an expert.

[h.hagenstroem]

Was this information released to the public? Is she making it up? Or is it information that only someone in the intelligence industry would know?

It was more than public. F.e. German Newspage April 2004

[guy]

Welcome, Herr Hagenstroem.

Sp?ñter recherchierten Journalisten, da?ƒ ihr Klarname Cheryl Bentov lautet. Sie stammt aus der nordisraelischen Stadt Naunya und ist mit einem Major der Abwehr verheiratet. Heute lebt sie unter dem Namen Cheryl Goodman in den USA.

[WordBomb]

It was more than public. F.e. German Newspage April 2004

English may be a Germanic language, but German itself is mostly Greek to me.

This at-times-funny (especially if read in the voice of Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs) Babelfish translation of the relevant section should help:

"Cindy"
Further searches led finally to the reconstruction of a drama of terror, between at the end of of Septembers and Anfang October 1986 took place and each Polit-thriller? la James bond and John le Carré in the shade places.

"Motta", how friends called the good-looking and strong 32jaehrigen Mordechai, made a road acquaintance first pleasing for it with a walk in the Londoner town center. "Cindy" was called the picture-pretty blond American, who zollte after own representation on European route Merry old England tribute. It was love - or more exactly said impulses - at first sight, which inflamed the passionate young man. He had come three weeks before from Australia into the metropolis of the Commonwealth, in order here its exposures over top secret Israeli nuclear weapon production held to publish. As the Sunday Times determined later, he had been advised the English secret service by its Australian sister organization.

"Motta" purged anyhow to the Sexappeal, which the grazioese and kaprizioese "Cindy" radiated. Therefore it was not surprised, when it suggested to it flying with it to Rome where it wanted to fulfill all in the Appartment of its travelled sister its desires. Hand in hand they flew from Heathrow to the Leonardo there Vinci Airport. On shortest way a taxi brought the pair into the desired nest, a house at the edge to the eternal city. But the allegedly storm-free Bude was already taken and occupied - of a special command of the Mossad. Two of the agents overwhelmed Vanunu with ether and "Cindy" gave it an injection with Betaeubungsmittel.

The ohnmaechtige victim was put in chains, packed into a transportation crate and on an orange steamer driving under Israeli flag to ship. Before he came again correctly to itself, he already was in Tel Aviv. After its bad awaking it experienced that it concerned with "Cindy" a Geheimagentin of the Mossad. Later journalists investigated that its clear name Cheryl Bentov reads. It originates from the northIsraeli city Naunya and is married with a major of the defense. Today it lives under the name Cheryl Goodman in the USA.

It puts lotion on its body!

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[BobbyBombastic]

This is interesting information. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

what do some here think about the writing style? on first reading it did not remind me much of SlimVirgin's writing style. Maybe she added it quickly.

[WordBomb]

Please nobody interpret the following as my placing undue importance on Cheryl Bentov herself. This is just one of those repeating themes one sees when analyzing the edit patterns of SlimVirgin and Jayjg.

First, revisit the diff that came just before and after SlimV's oversighted edit, only this time, ignore what appears below Line 15.

The anon IP changed the word "kidnapped" to "captured," in reference to Mordacai Vanunu. That IP locates to Montreal, Canada, and had six additional edits in its history, on the topics of Palestine, Yasser Arafat and Israel (and as pro-Israel as I am, I can't help but feel more than a bit uncomfortable with the rather rigid anti-Arab bias manifest in these edits).

As I've stated in the past, I happen to hail from the "Jayjg lives in Toronto" camp, as opposed to my "Jayjg (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif) NY" counterparts.

Now take a gander at the Wikipedia article on Cheryl Bentov; specifically, look at the only contribution to the article made by Jayjg. It reverts an edit changing the word "captured" to "abducted," in reference to Mordacai Vanunu.

Now, back to Mordacai Vanunu. As you'll recall, he was re-arrested on November 11, 2004. Three days later, an edit war erupted between editors Xed and Deuxmachina. Their differences were substantial, but one recurring theme was Xed's insistence on saying Vanunu was originally "kidnapped," and Deuxmachina insisting he was "arrested."

That edit war grew quite heated, until Jayjg arrived (unrequested and, amazingly, just two minutes after Deuxmachina put the article in precisely the shape he wanted) and protected.

Deuxmachina never returned, while Xed's block log leading up to his eventual banning is a Wikipedia who's who list. The coup de grace, by the way, was administered by Jimbo himself.

The timing of this flurry of edits one week prior to the re-arrest of Vanunu is intriguing, especially when considering how many people -- journalists included -- likely googled the guy's name when they heard about his re-arrest, and how his article would frame the debate for them.

[Unrepentant Vandal]

The timing of this flurry of edits one week prior to the re-arrest of Vanunu is intriguing, especially when considering how many people -- journalists included -- likely googled the guy's name when they heard about his re-arrest, and how his article would frame the debate for them.

The obvious question that springs to mind: How clear would it be for a mere "interested MOP" to know that Vanunu was going to be re-arrested?

[WordBomb]

The obvious question that springs to mind: How clear would it be for a mere "interested MOP" to know that Vanunu was going to be re-arrested?

This gets to the obvious question of: "Why would the Mossad care about Wikipedia?"

As I recall, Arafat was at Death's door for about a week there toward the end. Timing the arrest to take place just hours after Arafat kicked it (a time when Muslims can always be counted on to create great video footage) suggests an awareness of the potential for serious PR blowback (and indeed, the International Federation of Journalists had some harsh words for the Israeli government).

In answer to your question, I think the timing of the sudden and fairly focused interest in an otherwise sparsely edited article is somewhat suggestive of the editors being directed in their work, just as Vanunu's arresting officers clearly were in theirs.

Then again, Israel has a long history of just doing what it needs to in order to survive, perceptions be damned. I'm far from convinced, but do find it an interesting subject to consider.

And, for the record, I'm amazed they didn't just have Vanunu shot. That guy's a traitor, imho.

[guy]

And, for the record, I'm amazed they didn't just have Vanunu shot. That guy's a traitor, imho.

Just shows how Israel is more civilised than many other countries. They've only ever executed one person, Adolf Eichmann, a mass murderer.