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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 10:37pm) In the email exchange, Will Beback threatens Rlevse that if he doesn't leave the project, Will will publicly release details he dug up about Wikipedia editing by Rlevse's wife. Rlevse, understandably angered by the threat, then curses at Will Beback.
This is unnerving. I'm actually starting to feel bad for Rlevse, or at least his wife. And I certainly don't like him, and I especially didn't like him when he was on ArbCom running around yelling about "banned means banned" and being a generally abusive asshole. Now that he's down on the ground though... yeah, I feel a little bad for him - some kind of boyscout code or someting. Especially since I'm not too keen on some of the other players on the other side of this equation and how they've acted. And no, I don't mean Sandy... oh ok, lemme say it, I mean Will Beback. And then I don't really like Cla's opportunistic questions to Will either which have more to do with grudges (however well deserved) than what this is really about... gee, I guess I just don't like anybody on there. A plague on all six houses, and someone should probably point out to Rlevse personally that it's about time he made it official, made a real account here and started spilling the goodies under his Wikipedia name.
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 5:10am) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 10:37pm) In the email exchange, Will Beback threatens Rlevse that if he doesn't leave the project, Will will publicly release details he dug up about Wikipedia editing by Rlevse's wife. Rlevse, understandably angered by the threat, then curses at Will Beback.
This is unnerving. I'm actually starting to feel bad for Rlevse, or at least his wife. And I certainly don't like him, and I especially didn't like him when he was on ArbCom running around yelling about "banned means banned" and being a generally abusive asshole. Now that he's down on the ground though... yeah, I feel a little bad for him - some kind of boyscout code or someting. Especially since I'm not too keen on some of the other players on the other side of this equation and how they've acted. And no, I don't mean Sandy... oh ok, lemme say it, I mean Will Beback. And then I don't really like Cla's opportunistic questions to Will either which have more to do with grudges (however well deserved) than what this is really about... gee, I guess I just don't like anybody on there. A plague on all six houses, and someone should probably point out to Rlevse personally that it's about time he made it official, made a real account here and started spilling the goodies under his Wikipedia name. I suspect that Rlevse would like to return to editing WP without being forced to grovel as Raul654 and others would probably require him to do otherwise, and is the usual procedure with indef blocked or RTV editors. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 11:52pm) QUOTE(radek @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 5:10am) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 10:37pm) In the email exchange, Will Beback threatens Rlevse that if he doesn't leave the project, Will will publicly release details he dug up about Wikipedia editing by Rlevse's wife. Rlevse, understandably angered by the threat, then curses at Will Beback.
This is unnerving. I'm actually starting to feel bad for Rlevse, or at least his wife. And I certainly don't like him, and I especially didn't like him when he was on ArbCom running around yelling about "banned means banned" and being a generally abusive asshole. Now that he's down on the ground though... yeah, I feel a little bad for him - some kind of boyscout code or someting. Especially since I'm not too keen on some of the other players on the other side of this equation and how they've acted. And no, I don't mean Sandy... oh ok, lemme say it, I mean Will Beback. And then I don't really like Cla's opportunistic questions to Will either which have more to do with grudges (however well deserved) than what this is really about... gee, I guess I just don't like anybody on there. A plague on all six houses, and someone should probably point out to Rlevse personally that it's about time he made it official, made a real account here and started spilling the goodies under his Wikipedia name. I suspect that Rlevse would like to return to editing WP without being forced to grovel as Raul654 and others would probably require him to do otherwise, and is the usual procedure with indef blocked editors. Yup. But in the big scheme of things he's not exactly the kind of former Wiki editor one can muster much sympathy for. Sort of like Rodhullandemu but different issues. I dunno, it's just a faction fight among the inner circle. I'm not sure why we should give a shit. Probably just annex it.
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 6:04am) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 11:52pm) QUOTE(radek @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 5:10am) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 2nd February 2012, 10:37pm) In the email exchange, Will Beback threatens Rlevse that if he doesn't leave the project, Will will publicly release details he dug up about Wikipedia editing by Rlevse's wife. Rlevse, understandably angered by the threat, then curses at Will Beback.
This is unnerving. I'm actually starting to feel bad for Rlevse, or at least his wife. And I certainly don't like him, and I especially didn't like him when he was on ArbCom running around yelling about "banned means banned" and being a generally abusive asshole. Now that he's down on the ground though... yeah, I feel a little bad for him - some kind of boyscout code or someting. Especially since I'm not too keen on some of the other players on the other side of this equation and how they've acted. And no, I don't mean Sandy... oh ok, lemme say it, I mean Will Beback. And then I don't really like Cla's opportunistic questions to Will either which have more to do with grudges (however well deserved) than what this is really about... gee, I guess I just don't like anybody on there. A plague on all six houses, and someone should probably point out to Rlevse personally that it's about time he made it official, made a real account here and started spilling the goodies under his Wikipedia name. I suspect that Rlevse would like to return to editing WP without being forced to grovel as Raul654 and others would probably require him to do otherwise, and is the usual procedure with indef blocked editors. Yup. But in the big scheme of things he's not exactly the kind of former Wiki editor one can muster much sympathy for. Sort of like Rodhullandemu but different issues. I dunno, it's just a faction fight among the inner circle. I'm not sure why we should give a shit. Probably just annex it. About the Will Beback stuff. Will Beback says he notified the Committee about the Jojo stuff and they (specifically NewYorkBrad) said they would address it if Rlevse returned. Rlevse returned. Will neglected to remember that ArbCom had said they would handle it (if, in fact, they really said or meant that) and jumped right into it, utilizing WP's old school methods of intimidation, coercion, and threats of wiki-humiliation, with which he appears to be familiar. You have to understand it from Will's perspective. It was his information. He found it! It belonged to him to utilize it as he saw fit. It fits in with what Kelly Martin has said in this forum about Wikipedians using and trading information for their personal agendas. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 1:54am) About the Will Beback stuff. Will Beback says he notified the Committee about the Jojo stuff and they (specifically NewYorkBrad) said they would address it if Rlevse returned. Rlevse returned. Will neglected to remember that ArbCom had said they would handle it (if, in fact, they really said or meant that) and jumped right into it, utilizing WP's old school methods of intimidation, coercion, and threats of wiki-humiliation, with which he appears to be familiar.
You have to understand it from Will's perspective. It was his information. He found it! It belonged to him to utilize it as he saw fit. It fits in with what Kelly Martin has said in this forum about Wikipedians using and trading information for their personal agendas.
Meanwhile, it seems that at least one of the arbitrators might see this as the last straw. I was just starting to wonder why we hadn't heard about the Timidguy/Beback thing, but apparently there was more evidence coming in.
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Fri 3rd February 2012, 6:22am) Meanwhile, it seems that at least one of the arbitrators might see this as the last straw. I was just starting to wonder why we hadn't heard about the Timidguy/Beback thing, but apparently there was more evidence coming in. Look, it's open and shut, Will Beback is blameless, we have it on the authority of the Featured Article Coordinator: QUOTE Will's actions were entirely appropriate and above board. Thank you Will, for your yeoman's work. Raul654 (talk) 15:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC) I remember Raul saying stuff like that about William M. Connolley. Good work, Cla68, I think you've nailed him. Be careful, of course, your goal should be to back off and let the rest of the community chew him up. Just a nudge here and there, if you are breaking a sweat, you are working too hard. I worked way too hard, I wanted to present clear evidence, and realized only too late that ArbComm Didn't Need Any Stinkin' Evidence. The trick is to lure the abusive administrator into demonstrating it so even a Compleat Idiot can see it. This filing on Rlevse's wife was beyond the pale. There was no legitimate cause for that, no Need to Know, except Rlevse's refusal to cave to his blackmail. Which, of course, isn't legitimate. Looking at the AN discussion, what an incredible waste of time, over something of practically no importance, i.e., whether or not Rlevse is Barking Moon. That's only of interest for highly technical reasons, and the whole purpose of identifying socks has been lost if you have to argue about it. The purpose is efficiency! I.e., if someone is a sock of someone whom the community, at great expense with silly monstrous discussions like this has been found to be a problem, if you show that a new account is the same person, done. No discussion needed. If you have to have another monster discussion, what's the point? I am so glad, I want to thank the abusive administrators for blocking me. I used to be in the middle of this crap! Rlevse I found to be a helpful arbitrator, as I recall, but not deeply so. No comment on the rest. He's obviously pissed.
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