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I will use this thread to collect previous posts and relevant resources on Fascism and its kindred species of Polis State Kraft.

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Jonny, how about a bare-bones definition of "fascism?"

Merriam Webster online gives "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

I don't really like this definition, mostly because it points toward dictatorship. Ancient Sparta is the model for all fascism (and Plato's "Republic"), and its leaders were relatively weak. Sparta had a dual king-ship and a senate, and its highest authority was in fact the laws of Lycurgus.

The essential aspect of fascism, I think, is that it holds the rights of the state to be primary and superior to the rights of individuals. In this sense, it would be reasonable for a project like Wikipedia to be fascistic: it should judge actions based on whether or not they serve the purpose of the project, rather than whether or not they are fair to the individuals involved. If Wikipedia has a problem with fascistic tendencies, it can only be because the legitimate concerns of the project are not accurately reflected in the enforcement of order, and never because the enforcement of order is excessive.
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QUOTE(Saltimbanco @ Sat 26th January 2008, 7:59am) *

The essential aspect of fascism, I think, is that it holds the rights of the state to be primary and superior to the rights of individuals. In this sense, it would be reasonable for a project like Wikipedia to be fascistic: it should judge actions based on whether or not they serve the purpose of the project, rather than whether or not they are fair to the individuals involved. If Wikipedia has a problem with fascistic tendencies, it can only be because the legitimate concerns of the project are not accurately reflected in the enforcement of order, and never because the enforcement of order is excessive.


By what reasonable theory does Wikipedia have a right to subjugate the well-being of individuals to the good of the Project?
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QUOTE(Amarkov @ Sat 26th January 2008, 3:03pm) *

By what reasonable theory does Wikipedia have a right to subjugate the well-being of individuals to the good of the Project?


I think that your diagnosis of the disease is a bit off — it may be that you are trying to examine the virus from the wrong end of the microscope.

Try turning it around and looking at it this way:

By what reasonable theory does a Small Number Of Individuals have a right to subjugate the well-being of Wikipedia to their own peculiar notion of the Good Of The Project?

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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Sat 26th January 2008, 8:22pm) *
By what reasonable theory does a Small Number Of Individuals have a right to subjugate the well-being of Wikipedia to their own peculiar notion of the Good Of The Project?

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The well-being of WP?

If I even dignified the argument that threatening violence
for the Good Of The Project with the counterargument
that it wasn't good for WP, I'd already be implying that
what made threatening violence wrong is that it hurt WP,
which is all wrong.

I don't give a damn whether it hurts or helps WP.
Threatening violence against someone for no better cause
than that said person has been annoying to some people
is evil.
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