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> The "foreign sources" controversy returns, the dynamic duo rides again
Kelly Martin
post Wed 23rd February 2011, 1:47am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 22nd February 2011, 6:59pm) *
Since when is a private Checkuser done in a situation like this? I've only heard of private CU's done in very specific situations, where it was high profile and there were possible legal issues and things like that. But a private CU in a situation like this?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Most use of the checkuser tool is done privately. The fact that you haven't heard of it just means that you aren't that much inside.
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post Wed 23rd February 2011, 2:15am
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I'm not sure if I really want to be, honestly. I'm fine with just editing articles.
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post Wed 23rd February 2011, 7:01pm
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Here's a good scene from the movie: Angels Flight provides a pretty damaging example of Dennis King intentionally misleading his readers here, but then the real hilariousity comes with WIll Beback's defense of King.
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post Thu 24th February 2011, 5:36pm
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Back to the topic, we now learn that Mexican and Argentinian sources are also bad, especially when talking about Mexico, but Crawdaddy! is impeccable.,
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 2:11am
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And now, because of this obviously non-neutral edit, Virginia Slim goes into a fury, sends that sekrit email to Georgewilliamherbert, and presto! Delia Peabody is permablocked. But, not before she has a chance to launch this ANI thread.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:22am
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QUOTE(It's the blimp, Frank @ Wed 23rd February 2011, 7:01pm) *

Here's a good scene from the movie: Angels Flight provides a pretty damaging example of Dennis King intentionally misleading his readers here, but then the real hilariousity comes with WIll Beback's defense of King.

Okay. So let me get this: this is King's website. King quotes LaRouche saying,
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It is not necessary to wear brown shirts to be a fascist….It is not necessary to wear a swastika to be a fascist….It is not necessary to call oneself a fascist to be a fascist. It is simply necessary to be one!
which in its original context is about LaRouche denouncing his political opponents as fascists ... King sticks it under an image of LaRouche and Hitler, which conveys the impression that LaRouche is giving a Hitler salute. And with another out-of-context quote following, taken from here. And Will says,
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While King did quote a line without giving extensive context, that isn't necessarily an error. He didn't assign any specific meaning to it and readers can interpret it for themselves. It's not an example that proves the book unreliable.
Now that is just excruciatingly vexatious dishonesty. This juxtaposition is meant to be interpreted in one way, and one way only, to anyone with two brain cells to rub together: "LaRouche is a fascist and wants you to be a fascist too." And that is a misleading use of a quote, nothing else. Any editor who, like Will, doesn't admit that, and is not prepared to take King with a grain of salt after that, does not deserve having the assumption of good faith extended to him. No?

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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:33am
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 2:11am) *

And now, because of this obviously non-neutral edit, Virginia Slim goes into a fury, sends that sekrit email to Georgewilliamherbert, and presto! Delia Peabody is permablocked. But, not before she has a chance to launch this ANI thread.

FWIW, I don't see what's wrong with that edit. The source checks out.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:34am
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Now that is just excruciatingly vexatious dishonesty.
That's one way of putting it. "Business as usual" would be another.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:40am
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Sun 27th February 2011, 7:33pm) *

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 2:11am) *

And now, because of this obviously non-neutral edit, Virginia Slim goes into a fury, sends that sekrit email to Georgewilliamherbert, and presto! Delia Peabody is permablocked. But, not before she has a chance to launch this ANI thread.

FWIW, I don't see what's wrong with that edit. The source checks out.
SV had carefully constructed a narrative, using cherry-picked sources, that indicated that the "intelligence gathering" was amateurish, "hateful," and generally nonsense. The contrasting views from the Washington Post "interrupted the flow."

Meanwhile, Will Beback has commenced his victory dance over the banning of Delia.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 9:48am
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Congrats, for the nth time we have seen SV and McWhiney do their incredibly predictable Dance of Crazy.

Sorry to say, I'm a bit weary of all this. Can't we just agree, yes SV and McW are nuts, yes they abuse
process every time they can, and yes Larouche will continue to get a raw deal on en-wiki?

My apologies to Hersh. There are better, more lovely activities to engage in than showing-up the Wiki-Woompers
as what they are. It's frightfully old news, and SV appears to be one of those utterly obsessive freaks
who ordinarily make great businesspeople or military leaders---if they would just stop obsessing on insipid
pointless things, like revenge (or Wikipedia). Apologies, just had to write it here.

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post Mon 28th February 2011, 12:43pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 28th February 2011, 10:48am) *

Congrats, for the nth time we have seen SV and McWhiney do their incredibly predictable Dance of Crazy.

Sorry to say, I'm a bit weary of all this. Can't we just agree, yes SV and McW are nuts, yes they abuse
process every time they can, and yes Larouche will continue to get a raw deal on en-wiki?

My apologies to Hersh. There are better, more lovely activities to engage in than showing-up the Wiki-Woompers
as what they are. It's frightfully old news, and SV appears to be one of those utterly obsessive freaks
who ordinarily make great businesspeople or military leaders---if they would just stop obsessing on insipid
pointless things, like revenge (or Wikipedia). Apologies, just had to write it here.



Greetings Eric and nice to meet you!
As much as I'd love to concur, but: The last utterly revenge-obsessed freak, who incidentally turned military leader gave his country a raw deal when he had a face-off with another leader who gave his country a New Deal. It may be wise to keep more than one eye open smile.gif
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:33pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 28th February 2011, 1:48am) *

My apologies to Hersh. There are better, more lovely activities to engage in than showing-up the Wiki-Woompers
as what they are. It's frightfully old news, and SV appears to be one of those utterly obsessive freaks
who ordinarily make great businesspeople or military leaders---if they would just stop obsessing on insipid
pointless things, like revenge (or Wikipedia). Apologies, just had to write it here.
Call me Pollyanna, but I'm thinking that the Slim 'n' Will abuse has grown so blatant that the [ahem]Community™ may eventually take note of it and maybe even hand down topic bans as was done with Jayjg, who also seemed invulnerable at one point.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:45pm
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Will waited a day or so before doing this, which is what he has been yearning to do for months.

This as well, which should help the neutrality of the article.
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post Mon 28th February 2011, 3:45pm
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 10:33am) *

Call me Pollyanna …


You're not Pollyanna — you're Wiki-Pollyanna …

Your fixation on 1 single solitary wiki-picometer² of the Big Picture has blinded you to the fact that Slim has already slipped through all the changes she wanted on the global scene.

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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Mon 28th February 2011, 7:45am) *

Your fixation on 1 single solitary wiki-picometer² of the Big Picture has blinded you to the fact that Slim has already slipped through all the changes she wanted on the global scene.


Hey, I write what I know. I can appreciate every nuance of Slim's POV-pushery because I know the subject matter.'


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post Mon 28th February 2011, 5:54pm
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Herschel, I think you need to stop making sockpuppets. They only serve to prove that you are a POV warrior.
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Well I took the liberty of contacting a retired American journalist I know to take a look at the wiki article and give me an opinion on it. We have different political outlooks but I trust him to give me a straight opinion when asked.

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The Wikipedia entry contains vastly more information than I had ever heard about him. He still has a few acolytes who set up "information" tables in public places, where they accost people with insults in order to strike up conversations. I almost got into a fist fight with one that was parked outside of our local post office (a common location for them) just before the 2008 presidential election.

But I have no way to know how accurate the Wikipedia entry is. Considering the negative way most people view him (those of us old enough to remember who he is, from the days when he was in the news a lot -- 1980s, mostly), the tone of the Wiki seems mild. Among a younger generation, relatively few will even know who you're talking about, if you bring up his name.

The media lost interest in him decades ago. I wouldn't trust them to give unbiased reports, either, unless there was some reason to do extensive checks and analyses of his claims. But I don't recall seeing anything about him with any real reportorial depth. If I do see his name in a rare article headline, I skip over it.

Sorry I can't help you in measuring the bias in that article. LaRouche's great strength is in couching his assertions in ways that are very difficult to pick apart and evaluate. That's why he's so frustrating. But my own opinion of him is extremely negative, so I'm not a good one to judge.



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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 2:11am) *

And now, because of this obviously non-neutral edit, Virginia Slim goes into a fury, sends that sekrit email to Georgewilliamherbert, and presto! Delia Peabody is permablocked. But, not before she has a chance to launch this ANI thread.

This could be embarrassing for HK. People might start saying that he's impersonating females online, just because there happens to be a female who supports him! ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 3:45pm) *

Will waited a day or so before doing this, which is what he has been yearning to do for months.

This as well, which should help the neutrality of the article.

It's amazing that they haven't range blocked the ips mentioned in that ANI thread.
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QUOTE(Detective @ Mon 28th February 2011, 9:01pm) *

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 28th February 2011, 2:11am) *

And now, because of this obviously non-neutral edit, Virginia Slim goes into a fury, sends that sekrit email to Georgewilliamherbert, and presto! Delia Peabody is permablocked. But, not before she has a chance to launch this ANI thread.

This could be embarrassing for HK. People might start saying that he's impersonating females online, just because there happens to be a female who supports him! ohmy.gif


Well, since she seems to be someone in his office, HK should probably personally go and ask her to stop.
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