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> Anders Behring Breivik, Isn't this a single event?
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 12:58am
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So you're saying that you know right now what is historically significant about him?
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 12:59am
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QUOTE(Kevin @ Thu 4th August 2011, 8:56pm) *

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Yeah, the thing is, while it may be a bit US-centric for me to say this, events that happen in or to the US tend to get more coverage. In general, that seems to be true.

And, for once, we're getting good coverage about a person that is not happening in the US and...Kohser is complaining about the coverage existing. hrmph.gif


There is a vast difference between good coverage and what is produced by the content driven mass media. Mass media has a need to produce more and more content, in many cases with little regard to actual newsworthiness. An encyclopedia should record what is historically significant. That you cannot tell the difference is one of your great failings.

If it weren't for the whole "BLP as slander/attack/agenda-tool/vandalism-target" issue, it would probably be fine to just let these things get deleted down the road a bit when history gives a bit of perspective.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 1:09am
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You seriously don't think the largest spree killing in Norway's history (presumably) isn't historically important?
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 1:42am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 4th August 2011, 9:09pm) *

You seriously don't think the largest spree killing in Norway's history (presumably) isn't historically important?


What is the meaning of the guideline, "Wikipedia is not a newspaper"?
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 1:51am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 5th August 2011, 1:42am) *

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You seriously don't think the largest spree killing in Norway's history (presumably) isn't historically important?


What is the meaning of the guideline, "Wikipedia is not a newspaper"?


That doesn't even answer my question at all.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 2:36am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Fri 5th August 2011, 11:09am) *

You seriously don't think the largest spree killing in Norway's history (presumably) isn't historically important?

My comment to you was more general than this article, however I agree that this event is certainly important, that the perpetrator once worked "in the customer service department of an unnamed company" is rather less so.

Do you understand that an encyclopedia ought to have a different aim from the mass media, and therefore should not necessarily regurgitate everything published by the mass media?

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post Fri 5th August 2011, 3:05am
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Yes, I do, and I think all the information that is dubbed unimportant to his biography will be filtered out over time.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 3:17am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 4th August 2011, 11:05pm) *

Yes, I do, and I think all the information that is dubbed unimportant to his biography will be filtered out over time.


LOL.

Show us one article about an important news event in 2006 that has significantly declined in size since 2008. Just one.

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post Fri 5th August 2011, 4:30am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 5th August 2011, 3:17am) *

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Yes, I do, and I think all the information that is dubbed unimportant to his biography will be filtered out over time.


LOL.

Show us one article about an important news event in 2006 that has significantly declined in size since 2008. Just one.


It depends on what kind of drop you're talking about. I mean, when separate articles are made on a subject within a biography, most of the information in that section will be removed. For example, Evo Morales was up to 53,000 bytes last August. That was dropped to 35,000 after the Presidency information was cut. It has since crept up to 49,000 again because he entered a second term, but it did drop a significant amount.


Oh, here's a good example: George Preca. He was canonized back in 2006 and his article got up to 19,000 bytes by 2007 with a ton of irrelevant information. Then, an IP address of all things came in and cleaned it up and it's down to 7,000 bytes now.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 4:37am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Fri 5th August 2011, 12:30am) *

Oh, here's a good example: George Preca. He was canonized back in 2006 and his article got up to 19,000 bytes by 2007 with a ton of irrelevant information. Then, an IP address of all things came in and cleaned it up and it's down to 7,000 bytes now.


That article was 11,300 bytes within the first 3 minutes of its existence. That doesn't represent a "news"-based creation by the mob. Try again.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 5th August 2011, 4:37am) *

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Oh, here's a good example: George Preca. He was canonized back in 2006 and his article got up to 19,000 bytes by 2007 with a ton of irrelevant information. Then, an IP address of all things came in and cleaned it up and it's down to 7,000 bytes now.


That article was 11,300 bytes within the first 3 minutes of its existence. That doesn't represent a "news"-based creation by the mob. Try again.


You're going to have to clarify then what exactly i'm supposed to be looking for.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 5:07am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Fri 5th August 2011, 2:48pm) *

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Oh, here's a good example: George Preca. He was canonized back in 2006 and his article got up to 19,000 bytes by 2007 with a ton of irrelevant information. Then, an IP address of all things came in and cleaned it up and it's down to 7,000 bytes now.


That article was 11,300 bytes within the first 3 minutes of its existence. That doesn't represent a "news"-based creation by the mob. Try again.


You're going to have to clarify then what exactly i'm supposed to be looking for.


Some clue.
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post Fri 5th August 2011, 11:24am
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Fri 5th August 2011, 12:48am) *

You're going to have to clarify then what exactly i'm supposed to be looking for.

A person or event with more than 1,000 hits in a Google News Archive search, plus at least 5,000 Wikipedia page views in the most recent 30-day period. Something like this.
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I suppose that Silver Seren is talking about edits like this one, that cut lots of peripheral info from an article.

However, after a few years, the article seems to just get as detailed and long and filled with peripheral content as it was before the cut.

Look, I'm not one to complain about the length of Wikipedia articles. I just think it's unfair to defend the "not a newspaper" rule and to claim that most over-stuffed articles will eventually get culled down, because I don't think either position is viable in practice.
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