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Milton Roe
post Wed 25th June 2008, 7:59am
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 25th June 2008, 12:51am) *

QUOTE(Sxeptomaniac @ Wed 25th June 2008, 12:43am) *

QUOTE(Filll)

You would see Wikipedia Review completely outraged. There would be a massive campaign to recruit more people to attack and threaten. The attacks would escalate. People who were blocked 6 months or a year or two ago would get excited and jump on the bandwagon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=221471182
I considered adding some commentary, but how can I top a quote like that?

Where on earth is this coming from? There have been some uncivilized threads in recent months, to be sure, but this hasn't been one of them. I don't see anyone threatening Filll or anyone else. Not even attacking them, really. It's more a series of complaints about their tactics.


Well, the third L is a little light on its feet, if you know what I mean (and I think you do).

The one-l FIL
Controls the luge.
The two-l FILL
Mean topped-up huge.
And I will bet
An old champaign
That three-L FILLL
Is Nathan Lane.



Or not. But that was fun.







N.B. Yes, I'm aware of the Ogden Nash poem. Thanks.

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post Wed 25th June 2008, 10:06am
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Filll exhibits an interesting trait — the construction and publication of a theory of mind, this time about not a single individual, but about the collective mindset of WR. Is it a judicious theory of mind or a haphazard theory of mind?

How can we reliably evaluate his proposed collective theory of mind of WR and determine its accuracy as a valid hypothesis and scientific model?

Filll uses his scientific model to make a prediction about the future behavior of WR. That future has not yet occurred, so we are in an excellent position to observe how insightful a scientist is our Filll in terms of crafting insightful scientific theories that make accurate predictions.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 10:57am
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I don't know how to put images in my messages here, but I was bored and made this.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 11:04am
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CODE

   [Center]
     [img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WordcloudIDRFC.JPG[/img]

     [size=3][b]Neil's Image[/b][/size]
   [/Center]




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post Wed 25th June 2008, 11:17am
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Ooh, fabberlous. I didn't realise you could hotlink from Wikipedia.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 11:22am
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All Things Snotty

Let's add a song to go with Neil's fabulous Wiki Word Cloud...

ARTIST: Barsoom Tork
TITLE: You're So Mean
MIDI: You're So Vain

You waltzed into the Wiki
Like you were walking onto a yacht
Your words pretending to be so kind
Your background was LightGreySnot
You had one eye on the watchlist
As you watched yourself get caught
And you dreamed you'd be everyone's partner
They'd be your partner, and...

You're so mean
You probably think this blog is about you
You're so mean
I'll bet you think this snark is about you
Don't you? Don't you?

You rebuked me several months ago
When I was still quite naive
Well, you said that we made such a nasty pair
And that you would never leave
But you threw away the things they loved
And one of them was me

I had some dreams there were clods in the Café
Clouds in the Wiki, and...

You're so mean
You probably think this rant is about you
You're so mean
I'll bet you think this snark is about you
Don't you? Don't you?

I had some dreams there were clods in the Café
Clouds in the Wiki, and...

You're so mean
You probably think this thread is about you
You're so mean
I'll bet you think this snark is about you
Don't you? Don't you?

Well, I hear you went up to RfC
And your clique naturally won
Then you sent snotmail in confidence
To see what total harm could be done
Well, you're down here, playing childish games
And when you're not, you're with
Some WikiClique spy or the strife of a close friend
Strife of a close friend, and

You're so mean
You probably think this song is about you
You're so mean
I'll bet you think this snark is about you
Don't you? Don't you?

CopyClef 1998-2008 Carly Simon and Barsoom Tork.
North Amurcan Bupkis, exclusive Internet dispiritor.


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post Wed 25th June 2008, 1:01pm
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QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 10:57am) *

I don't know how to put images in my messages here, but I was bored and made this.


I think Neil's graphic should replace whatever image is currently used in the WikiProject Intelligent Design project box.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 1:31pm
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I've just found out wordle.net word clouds are released under "CC-by-NC", which means while they are free, sort of, they are strictly for non-commercial use only, so aren't allowed to be on Wikipedia. Boooo.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 1:36pm
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 25th June 2008, 9:01am) *
I think Neil's graphic should replace whatever image is currently used in the WikiProject Intelligent Design project box.

Their current logo is a ticking time bomb...

IPB Image

Where's the Kaboom?
There should have been an earth-shattering Kaboom.



QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 9:31am) *
I've just found out wordle.net word clouds are released under "CC-by-NC", which means while they are free, sort of, they are strictly for non-commercial use only, so aren't allowed to be on Wikipedia. Boooo.

Wikipedia is not a commercial site. It's an educational non-profit site. It charges no fees for services, has no owners, and doesn't make or distribute profits.

That's why it's a .org site and not a .com site.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 2:36pm) *

QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 9:31am) *
I've just found out wordle.net word clouds are released under "CC-by-NC", which means while they are free, sort of, they are strictly for non-commercial use only, so aren't allowed to be on Wikipedia. Boooo.

Wikipedia is not a commercial site. It's an educational non-profit site. It charges no fees for services, has no owners, and doesn't make or distribute profits.

True, but material on Wikipedia must be licensed so that commercial use can be made of it if anyone wants to. (One wonders why.)
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 2:06pm
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Any entrepreneur can make commercial use of general knowledge.

What's relevant here is whether the Neil's Wacky Wiki Word Cloud is a copyrighted work, and if so, who owns the copyright.

If Neil owns the copyright, he can give it away or post it to Commons under a more restrictive license.

If I am reading this page correctly, CC-by-NC is one of the supported licensing options on Wikimedia's Creative Commons. All Neil has to do is to select that licensing option, and he is good to go.
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 2:16pm
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Well, the text is from Wikipedia (and is thus GFDL)

And I then took the text and pasted it into the field and clicked "Create".

But the program at wordle.net analysed the text for word patterns and frequency and the like using (according to the FAQ) proprietry code and assembled it into a pretty picture.

I would presume this means the copyright belongs to wordle.net, which is CC-by-NC 3.0, which means it can only be used for non commercial use. Such a restriction means it isn't fully "free", as GFDL and CC-by-SA allow subsequent commercial use. Ours is not to reason why.

UPDATE

Ah, the outstanding Mr Feinberg has got back to me.

The site itself is CC-by-nc-sa (meaning attribution, non-commercial, and sharealike is required)

But the word clouds are cc-by, meaning all that is required is attribution. He has clarified this on the site's (www.wordle.net)'s FAQ.

Huzzah!

To celebrate, here's another one, from Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Evidence:

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post Wed 25th June 2008, 3:19pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 10:06am) *

If I am reading this page correctly, CC-by-NC is one of the supported licensing options on Wikimedia's Creative Commons. All Neil has to do is to select that licensing option, and he is good to go.

You're not reading it correctly, or it's wrong. CC-by-NC is not a supported license type on Commons. Downstream commercial use must be allowed. CC-by-NC doesn't allow that, since it's "non commercial"
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Neil, can you do a Wacky Wiki Word Cloud for Moulton's Talk Page?
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post Wed 25th June 2008, 6:01pm
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QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 3:57am) *

I don't know how to put images in my messages here, but I was bored and made this.

Nice. I had to try one for myself, though I didn't take the time to upload it to WP at this point.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 5:25pm) *

Neil, can you do a Wacky Wiki Word Cloud for Moulton's Talk Page?


Sure - for a word cloud for Talk:Moulton, click here.
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I tried the User Contributions page (last 500 edits), or where she edits most.

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QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 2:05pm) *
QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 5:25pm) *
Neil, can you do a Wacky Wiki Word Cloud for Moulton's Talk Page?
Sure - for a word cloud for Talk:Moulton, click here.

How do I save the just the image as a JPEG file?
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 5:23pm) *

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Neil, can you do a Wacky Wiki Word Cloud for Moulton's Talk Page?
Sure - for a word cloud for Talk:Moulton, click here.

How do I save the just the image as a JPEG file?

The FAQ explains it. Do a screencap and edit away the part you don't like.
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QUOTE(Lar @ Wed 25th June 2008, 7:13pm) *
QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 5:23pm) *
QUOTE(Neil @ Wed 25th June 2008, 2:05pm) *
QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 25th June 2008, 5:25pm) *
Neil, can you do a Wacky Wiki Word Cloud for Moulton's Talk Page?
Sure - for a word cloud for Talk:Moulton, click here.

How do I save just the image as a JPEG file?

The FAQ explains it. Do a screencap and edit away the part you don't like.

Bleagh. First I had to install Java. Now I have to install Photoshop?
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