FORUM WARNING [2] Division by zero (Line: 2933 of /srcsgcaop/boardclass.php)
Chip on the old block -
     
 
The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

> Chip on the old block, invokes "right to vanish."
CrazyGameOfPoker
post
Post #1


Senior Member
****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 332
Joined:
Member No.: 58



Chip's been blocked


None too happy either.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
Bob Boy
post
Post #2


Senior Member
****

Group: Inactive
Posts: 327
Joined:
Member No.: 3,899



Will Beback has now placed the Chipster's article up for deletion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...d_nomination%29
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
guy
post
Post #3


Postmaster General
*********

Group: Inactive
Posts: 4,294
Joined:
From: London
Member No.: 23



QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Fri 25th July 2008, 10:55pm) *

Will Beback has now placed the Chipster's article up for deletion:

Looks like a snowball keep to me. Worth remembering what happened on the first AfD:
QUOTE

Keep. This is barely worthy of a response. Cognition (talk ?Çó contribs) is a supporter or member of the LaRouche movement, a political cult headed by Lyndon LaRouche. Chip Berlet is an investigative journalist and researcher who specializes in tracking rightwing movements like the LaRouche organization, and he is therefore someone they perceive as an enemy. For that reason, Cognition is trying to have his Wikipedia entry deleted. In addition, the arbitration committee has ruled in two separate cases that LaRouche supporters are not allowed to use Wikipedia to promote LaRouche's ideas, or to further his cause. This VfD is in clear violation of those rulings. SlimVirgin (talk) July 2, 2005 21:55 (UTC)

I look forward to Slim dropping in again to condemn Chip as a LaRouche supporter.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Cla68
post
Post #4


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,763
Joined:
Member No.: 5,761



They're refusing to delete his biography. It will be interesting to see if he now starts posting to this forum to complain about his treatment by Wikipedia's administration.

By the way, my request for clarification to ArbCom was to see if the 2005 ruling could be used to help control any current problems surrounding the LaRouche articles, not just with Berlet but with everyone. But, judging by Bainer's response it probably can't be.

This post has been edited by Cla68:
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
It's the blimp, Frank
post
Post #5


Ãœber Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 734
Joined:
Member No.: 82



QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 25th July 2008, 11:26pm) *

By the way, my request for clarification to ArbCom was to see if the 2005 ruling could be used to help control any current problems surrounding the LaRouche articles, not just with Berlet but with everyone.
Berlet was the current problems surrounding the LaRouche articles. Without his trolling, I predict that those articles will be serene and stable.


QUOTE(guy @ Fri 25th July 2008, 10:25pm) *

I look forward to Slim dropping in again to condemn Chip as a LaRouche supporter.
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 25th July 2008, 11:26pm) *

They're refusing to delete his biography. It will be interesting to see if he now starts posting to this forum to complain about his treatment by Wikipedia's administration.
Thank god for your friendly neighborhood Wikipedia Review.

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 26th July 2008, 12:56am) *

We can't get another visit from user:Cognition, since SV finally nailed him with an indef block, for all the reasons she could think of, in 2006 (the block log drips blood)
QUOTE
06:57, 12 April 2006 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) unblocked "Cognition (Talk | contribs)" ‎ (unblocking to block for longer)



This post has been edited by It's the blimp, Frank:
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Milton Roe
post
Post #6


Known alias of J. Random Troll
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 10,209
Joined:
Member No.: 5,156



From the deletion request:
QUOTE
'''Comment''' I am Chip Berlet. The entry under [[Chip Berlet]] has, since it was created in 2004, been off and on a collection of biased, defamatory, and false information. It is currently biased and POV and fails the NPOV standard, much less BLP. It is currently under attack from conspiracy theorists and supporters of neofascist antisemite Lyndon LaRouche. Now being attacked are some entries where my work published in reputable journalistic and scholarly sources is being called unreliable and problematic. I have been trying to work within the Wiki guidelines on the entry [[Chip Berlet]] since December 2004. It is obvious that there is no interest in dealing with this ongoing problem and that Wikipedia's leadership ahs no solution to wikistalking and attacks by fanatics, which in my case has extended to a battle at Wiki quotes. Enough. Please delete the entry [[Chip Berlet]]. If it is appropriate for Dan Brandt, it is appropriate for me. Wikipedia has shown that it is unwilling or unable to enforce its own policies, and I have no faith that this will change in the near future. I have been through RFC's, Mediations, and Arbcom. It has been an utter waste of time. Please delete the entry [[Chip Berlet]], and when that is accomplished. Please delete my user account. I have no interest in discussing this.


But of course, he is interested in discussing this, once he finds out it won't happen. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) On Chip Berlet's bio TALK page, he says that if it was done for Brandt, it could be done for him.

..Whoa, Chip, if you're comparing yourself to Brandt, you have to rock WP's world by outing a bunch of admins, first. Tasks of Hercules. You're a mosquito. And you just found out how small a mosquito.

And then, after Chip's request, there occurs one of those deftly sarcastic comments that appear mainly in official documents (police, court, government, military records, etc.), and (of course) on Wikipedia. In all of which, the people making the comments know they are being watched for bias, and are pretending like crazy they have none, and are working to show they are completely reasonable. Even while shoving the shiv into the back of somebody. This can be high art, if you're a taste for it. Of course, it's no fun if it's happening to you. But when it happens to evil-doers, as in judges' rulings during any good trial, it can be good theatre. This one happens as Martin Diode performs a bit of jujitzu on Berlet's egotistical penchant to use his own writings for reliable sources:

QUOTE(Marvin Diode)
Chip is presented as a Reliable Source for many contentious accusations in BLP and other articles throughout Wikipedia. These sorts of accusations must be attributed, and should be linked to a Wikipedia article so that the reader may evaluate the source of the accusations. In the case of Daniel Brandt, whose bio was deleted, I don't think that he is used as a source at Wikipedia to any significant degree. --Marvin Diode (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


So you see, how could we delete any of this RS stuff? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) That's the reason to keep it, and who's going to argue with this reason? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) Chip, if you're going to argue that you're actually NOT a reliable source, then why should we believe you on that, given that if we did, you'd be... unreliable? It's a paradox.

This post has been edited by Milton Roe:
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
CrazyGameOfPoker   Chip on the old block  
Herschelkrustofsky   He appears to be the latest to join the meltdown p...  
guy   Chip also unloads on GeorgeWilliamHerbert, the bl...  
Cla68   He appears to be the latest to join the meltdown ...  
gomi   A request by another admin to unblock is quickly a...  
Milton Roe   He appears to be the latest to join the meltdown ...  
dtobias   This recent quote by Chip regarding another editor...  
Yehudi   The fact that Mr Berlet was not blocked for longe...  
Bob Boy   Chip seems to follow the philosophy that are only ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Chip seems to follow the philosophy that are only...  
guy   "on top of which his own bio is repeatedly un...  
Piperdown   "on top of which his own bio is repeatedly u...  
CrazyGameOfPoker   Looks like he's gone, at the very least for a ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Looks like he's gone, at the very least for a...  
Bob Boy   Looks like he's gone, at the very least for a...  
Rootology   Wow, this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...  
dtobias   But it was Mussolini who (supposedly) made the tra...  
sarcasticidealist   But it was [i][b]Mussolini who (supposedly) made t...  
Proabivouac   Adding no value to WR threads Since 2008 Who tol...  
Somey   Who told you that? I think you add value. I must h...  
Milton Roe   But it was [i][b]Mussolini who (supposedly) made ...  
everyking   But it was [i][b]Mussolini who (supposedly) made ...  
Milton Roe   But it was [i][b]Mussolini who (supposedly) made...  
ThurstonHowell3rd   But it was [i][b]Mussolini who (supposedly) made ...  
Bob Boy   Chip has requested that his biography be deleted, ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Chip has requested that his biography be deleted,...  
Somey   I'd just like to say that simply having a brut...  
The Joy   I'd just like to say that simply having a bru...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Interesting. Chip is now proclaiming that he must ...  
It's the blimp, Frank   Sweet! Looks like I may have to update my arti...  
Bob Boy   They're refusing to delete his biography. It...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Bob Boy' post='116676' date='Fri 25t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Here's a swell comment from the AfD page:  
guy   Loads of good stuff. This needs to be kept for po...  
The Joy   I thought non-admins could not close a XfD if ther...  
guy   I thought non-admins could not close a XfD if the...  
Herschelkrustofsky   It's interesting that, beyond a token effort a...  
Cedric   It's interesting that, beyond a token effort ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Pretty much SOP for the Stroynaya Deva. She has ...  
It's the blimp, Frank   Cberlet's account has been deleted. I think th...  
Rootology   Cberlet's account has been deleted. I think t...  


Reply to this topicStart new topic
2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now:
 
     
FORUM WARNING [2] Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home2/wikipede/public_html/int042kj398.php:242) (Line: 0 of Unknown)