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_ Meta Discussion _ If it was WP.gov instead of WP.org keeping open files on us

Posted by: Kato

I keep feeling the need to quote Jon Awbrey's statement below from time to time (formerly known here as Jonny Cache). So I traced the original, and have extracted it here for reference purposes. It is a really pertinent quote, and something everyone should think about before commenting on BLPs. (Click on the small arrow at the top of the quote to go to the original thread).

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:52pm) *

Some people are still operating on the Premiss — let's call it P0 — that Wikipedia As We Know It (WAWKI) is a legitimate source of information, or that it could become one with a few fixes here and there.

I no longer share that assumption.

If you believe P0, then you probably buy the Proposition — let's call it P1 — that Wikipedia has a legitimate reason to be keeping open internet files on people and calling them Biographies or whatever else it wants to call them.

Since I don't buy P0 I don't buy P1.

If it was Wikipedia.gov instead of Wikipedia.org keeping open internet files on people, we'd all be in the streets till we brought it crashing down.

And I mean both Liberals and Libertarians.

To me, there is not the slightest diff between Big Brother and Little Brother — they are both a couple of privacy-raping intrusive snitches that need to be shut down, like yesterday.

Jonny B)


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Posted by: emesee

oh come on.

people collectively have a little more common sense than to ever let that happen

yes???

Posted by: Jon Awbrey

QUOTE(emesee @ Sun 15th February 2009, 4:07pm) *

oh come on.

people collectively have a little more common sense than to ever let that happen

yes???


What are you, 12 ???

Jon hrmph.gif

Posted by: emesee

jeez

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(emesee @ Sun 15th February 2009, 1:07pm) *
people collectively have a little more common sense than to ever let that happen
yes???

No. Sadly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TIGERS.

Posted by: UseOnceAndDestroy

QUOTE(emesee @ Sun 15th February 2009, 9:07pm) *

people collectively have a little more common sense than to ever let that happen

Beware of anyone appealing to "common sense". They will likely be ideologues wanting you to do something so senseless, they can't provide a sensible reason for it.




Posted by: emesee

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Common_Sense popcorn.gif

by Thomas Paine wub.gif

Posted by: Jon Awbrey

In a not unrelated story …

“http://www.truth-out.org/revisiting-fbis-dirty-war-black-america68070” • Earl Ofari Hutchinson • Truthout • 22 Feb 2011

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Then we had Withers. Now we have Wikipedia.

Recalling something I wrote in 2007 —

“If it was WP.gov instead of WP.org keeping open files on us, we'd all be in the streets till we brought it crashing down.”

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=22788

— https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1039153428 • https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=5005794199889&id=1039153428


Posted by: Enric_Naval

"such an individual" <<<----- public figure that is portrayed frequently in newspapers.

Hint: one of the reasons for deleting Brandt's article was that newspaper articles did not treat him as a public figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Brandt_%2814th_nomination%29

Posted by: Jon Awbrey

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A privacy issue that appears to be missing here is the right of private individuals — people who are not public figures in the legal sense — to be be free of harassment by anyone who wants to post their names and anything else they want to post about them on Internet Bull Boards and Mega-Blogs, for the most egregious example, Wikipedia. If any of our governments did that, there would be screaming to high heaven. Then again, who can say that Big Brother doesn't have a stake in gradually eroding our freedoms that way?

Here is one of many threads where we discussed this issue at The Wikipedia Review:— https://www.facebook.com/people/Jonny-Cache/1039153428 • http://www.pbs.org/mediashift/2011/02/special-series-online-privacy038.html#comment-160572403


Posted by: Zoloft

Well, rather than having this topic end in a recursive rhetorical burrito, I add my unalloyed opinion:

If you think folly and arrogance lies in Wikipedia BLPs, then a thousand times more foolish is the phenomenon of Facebook, where people cheerfully store as much personal, compromising information as they can jam into their profiles, watched over by a company which has as its aim reselling and reusing that information for immediate profit.