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Here are a few accusations about Wikipedia Review that SlimVirgin makes in her essay on the Poetlister affair: - The four of them ... proceeded to trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew
- They were going to report me to an Israeli Embassy in Australia (where Blissy lived)
- They held a poll to decide whether the Mossad would kill me or jail me
- They posted that I had faked my own death, and that I was a teenage girl who had murdered her mother. Selina kept posting photographs of obese women, claiming they were me
- They discussed whether I feared being raped, what underwear I wore, whether I wanted to have sex with teenagers, and whether I had to sleep with men to get jobs.
- I was openly referred to as a whore and a cunt.
- An Iraq war veteran in Canada ... warned that I had better find a place to hide, because he was coming to look for me, and was looking forward to punching me in the face.
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true? What this appears to be is Slim attempting yet again to tar WR with outrageous but unprovable accusations, most sourced in ancient history and unrelated to the WR of today. |
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QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 10th September 2008, 12:12pm)  Here are a few accusations about Wikipedia Review that SlimVirgin makes in her essay on the Poetlister affair: - The four of them ... proceeded to trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew
- They were going to report me to an Israeli Embassy in Australia (where Blissy lived)
- They held a poll to decide whether the Mossad would kill me or jail me
- They posted that I had faked my own death, and that I was a teenage girl who had murdered her mother. Selina kept posting photographs of obese women, claiming they were me
- They discussed whether I feared being raped, what underwear I wore, whether I wanted to have sex with teenagers, and whether I had to sleep with men to get jobs.
- I was openly referred to as a whore and a cunt.
- An Iraq war veteran in Canada ... warned that I had better find a place to hide, because he was coming to look for me, and was looking forward to punching me in the face.
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true? What this appears to be is Slim attempting yet again to tar WR with outrageous but unprovable accusations, most sourced in ancient history and unrelated to the WR of today. Along time ago I visited this site (more than two years, I think) and there was a pornographic image, basically the antonym of SlimVirgin, representing her in a thread. After seeing that, and sorry I don't have the link, I wrote this site off and didn't pay any attention to it until its standards improved. |
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QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 10th September 2008, 2:12pm) Here are a few accusations about Wikipedia Review that SlimVirgin makes in her essay on the Poetlister affair: - The four of them ... proceeded to trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew
- They were going to report me to an Israeli Embassy in Australia (where Blissy lived)
- They held a poll to decide whether the Mossad would kill me or jail me
- They posted that I had faked my own death, and that I was a teenage girl who had murdered her mother. Selina kept posting photographs of obese women, claiming they were me
- They discussed whether I feared being raped, what underwear I wore, whether I wanted to have sex with teenagers, and whether I had to sleep with men to get jobs.
- I was openly referred to as a whore and a cunt.
- An Iraq war veteran in Canada ... warned that I had better find a place to hide, because he was coming to look for me, and was looking forward to punching me in the face.
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true? What this appears to be is Slim attempting yet again to tar WR with outrageous but unprovable accusations, most sourced in ancient history and unrelated to the WR of today. WR was a lot "wilder" in the old days; it wasn't entirely without justification that I referred to it as a " nest of guttersnipes" not all that long ago. It's gotten a lot more respectable in recent days. I expect that Slimmy's catalog of offenses is about 30% factual, 20% imaginary, and the rest hyperbolic exaggeration. |
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it wasnt pornographic unless you use the term very loosely to include anything naked... If SV or anyone found it "pornographic" or exciting they need medical help. I think I just googled huge fat woman or something and pasted the first result (this was several years ago, I have no idea how long)
At the time he/she (I think the Poetlister debacle has made people think a bit more about taking people that claim to be "slim virgins" on face value, the posturing and preening of SV is in many ways very similar) was being a total bitch to me, and I wasn't staff or anything back then (this is the oooold times when Igor was running things before he showed his true colours and started pasting nazi propaganda and banning loads of people).
it wasn't nice, but the way SV was acting towards me I think was just a bad in their own way, just not as blatant. They were doing the usual tarring of enemies as "trolls", and the sneaky slimy organising their cabal through email (at telling points messages on talk pages "Please see my email" etc, which seems to be a characteristic of how they work) and so on. It was just venting really, I didn't think he/she even read the forum at the time, and I don't think it was really that big of a thing other than turned into a convenient thing for SV to play victim from.
The "kept posting" bit is an outright lie, it was just one picture.
Most of the other stuff I don't think is true, but god knows I didn't read everything, even when I became staff... I especially tuned out from rant style posts which if any of it is true would probably be where they were. A lot of it sounds like Amorrow, who was very thoroughly banned for being a total loon (and I read recently he's coming out of jail for something, no idea what).
"They were going to report me to an Israeli Embassy in Australia (where Blissy lived)" ---- blissy is one of those people who I wouldn't be surprised if I was told they had done anything weird/pointless.
"trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew" ---- I think that originally came from grace note (who ironically is one of his/her supporters now). I've said it might be true in the past but never said definite (I know this is not just about me but the site tho, but blaming the site for what a couple people said is like saying America is a bad country because it has michael moore in it) - simply because it is quite possible, and for similar reasons why he/she claimed wrongly that Poetguy was an anti-semite (when they are actually a Jew!) - it's just hard to tell who is playing games and who's for real.
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You also have to remember that most of the really vituperative stuff against Slimmy was coming not from the PoetEntity at all, but from now-banned members Sgrayban, Hushthis, Donny, Amorrow, and Jorge. A lot of those posts have since been deleted, some of them irretrievably. As for the posts that weren't deleted, the PoetEntity actually supported the toning-down of that material through tarpitting and redactions - he certainly didn't object at all to my abortive effort to redact Slimmy's real name from all WR public forums (though it wasn't his idea either, of course).
The PoetEntity didn't want to hurt or even humiliate SlimVirgin, he simply wanted to defeat SlimVirgin. The others were far angrier, and much more likely to resort to ad hominem attacks.
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QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 10th September 2008, 12:42pm)
"trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew" ---- I think that originally came from grace note (who ironically is one of his/her supporters now). I've said it might be true in the past but never said definite (I know this is not just about me but the site tho, but blaming the site for what a couple people said is like saying America is a bad country because it has michael moore in it) - simply because it is quite possible, and for similar reasons why he/she claimed wrongly that Poetguy was an anti-semite (when they are actually a Jew!) - it's just hard to tell who is playing games and who's for real.
Ah, but it all becomes clear. MB is a neonazi who makes lists and bios of Jews and infiltrates high positions in various British Jewish orgnizations. But he has only one purpose-- perversion! Much like FT2, he really wants to (re)introduce the Jews back into the notion of ... bondage! (IMG: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/Heston2.jpg) Then, when they've gotten used to that, some gentle zoophilia: (IMG: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/planet_of_the_apes_02.jpg) And then finally, when all is complete, bondage AND zoophilia! (IMG: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/damndirtyapes2.jpg) (IMG: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/Heston3.jpg) Safety phrase: Damn Dirty Apes! |
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QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 10th September 2008, 1:12pm) Here are a few accusations about Wikipedia Review that SlimVirgin makes in her essay on the Poetlister affair: - The four of them ... proceeded to trash me with any allegation they could think of, including that I was a neo-Nazi pretending to be a Jew
- They were going to report me to an Israeli Embassy in Australia (where Blissy lived)
- They held a poll to decide whether the Mossad would kill me or jail me
- They posted that I had faked my own death, and that I was a teenage girl who had murdered her mother. Selina kept posting photographs of obese women, claiming they were me
- They discussed whether I feared being raped, what underwear I wore, whether I wanted to have sex with teenagers, and whether I had to sleep with men to get jobs.
- I was openly referred to as a whore and a cunt.
- An Iraq war veteran in Canada ... warned that I had better find a place to hide, because he was coming to look for me, and was looking forward to punching me in the face.
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true? What this appears to be is Slim attempting yet again to tar WR with outrageous but unprovable accusations, most sourced in ancient history and unrelated to the WR of today. I've been here about a year and a half and don't remotely recognize the topography of WR she describes. It resembles a Blissy-like dreamscape more than anything else I know. Perhaps she is stuck in hating a WR that no longer exists and very likely never existed at all. |
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Now I'm reposting a little bit from the poetlister thread because I think it answers something about SlimVirgin's research methods... First, re: The "poetlister dispute' The key opening allegation that Slim blocked " Amalekite " with an expiry time of indefinite ?(disruption; posted a list of Wikipedians he believes are Jews on the Stormfront website; posted details of how to edit using proxies and sockpuppets)" - seems to be backed by no evidence. indeed, Slim's case seems to be based on the earlier claim by 'Formeruser-82'that he was a 'neo-nazi Troll soliciting other trolls off of Stormfront". (It still seems odd to me that someone who spends so much time infiltrating WP (Guy/Poetlister) should have pointlessly revealed their neo-Nazi interests by posting 'lists of jews'. But then maybe neo-nazis can't stop themselves...) Secondly, despite Slim's 'love of diffs' few of the links on this poetlister page work - those that do are only to trivial Wikidefinitions... The diffs go nowhere - this can't be by accident. It must be an attempt to make the account look more imposing, and an assumption that readers will either not folow the links or not balme her for their not working. As Slim complains people don't follow links, this looks excellently cunning! I asked Slim by email if she had any evidence for this, but got no response. No response from Slim is however itself a kind of message. Second, re. Slim's character and 'modus operandi', Slim explained to my colleague, DMC, why she started two pages, the one Wikigiraffes was banned for editing 'Bagginni' and the one DMC was banned for taggiong as spam, 'Stangroom'. Slim has not started THAT many pages so this is unusual for her. QUOTE
I don't know either Jeremy or Julian, by the way -- I created the stub
on Julian only because I read his book, and then on Jeremy, I think
because I learned his name while looking up Julian. I had no prior
knowledge of either of them.
Slim created pages just because she came across their names in a book? 'Poorly researched rubbish' to coin a phrase! The same goes for this account of WR and Poetlister. But Slim is far too clever to do things in a rubbishy way. "My best guess' (yes, Milton) is that there is a subplot here. |
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 10th September 2008, 9:10pm) QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 10th September 2008, 12:12pm)
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true?
She also says that I sent her a Christmas message worded "ho, ho, ho." Now, I actually think that it's relatively witty, compared to the more general vituperation, but I don't think I can claim credit for it. It seems probable that Slim's allegation that "Herschelkrustofsky wished me Merry Christmas one year with a "ho, ho, ho.""… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=236905028refers to these posts of Christmas 2006: QUOTE(gomi @ Tue 26th December 2006, 6:05am) Damn, you fooled me again. I saw the thread title, and thought you were going to be talking about SlimVirgin. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=19465QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Tue 26th December 2006, 3:53pm) QUOTE(gomi @ Mon 25th December 2006, 10:05pm)
Damn, you fooled me again. I saw the thread title, and thought you were going to be talking about SlimVirgin.
(IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) And two meat puppets. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=19477SlimVirgin has, to my eye, accurately captured the spirit of these remarks. |
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I remember several of the items on her list occurring, and I suspect the remaining items are at least grounded in reality. Of course, as others have noted, the really insane accusations mostly came from Blissy, who is long gone, and the more vicious attack stuff was also mostly from people who are now long gone.
I would have a lot of sympathy, reading about how she lost sleep, lived in fear, and checked the forum constantly, but then I observe that she still takes no responsibility for her history of admin abuse and pretends to be a blameless victim, and it's hard to muster much of that sympathy. I then observe that she is attempting to explain the widespread objections to her conduct as the result of PoetGuy's machinations, leading me to consider the motive behind her account of events to be suspect, and my remaining sympathy evaporates. Sorry, SV--the excesses weren't justified, but I'll save my sympathy for people who haven't abused Wikipedia and its community so terribly.
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 17th September 2008, 9:13am) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 10th September 2008, 9:10pm) QUOTE(gomi @ Wed 10th September 2008, 12:12pm)
Slim doesn't provide any links. Here is my question: are any of these accusations even remotely true? I've been on WR for well over 2 years, and I can't recall a single one of these things happening (except maybe for some people addressing Slim with derogatory and sexist epithets). For those who've been on the site longer, does any of this ring true?
She also says that I sent her a Christmas message worded "ho, ho, ho." Now, I actually think that it's relatively witty, compared to the more general vituperation, but I don't think I can claim credit for it. It seems probable that Slim's allegation that "Herschelkrustofsky wished me Merry Christmas one year with a "ho, ho, ho.""… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=236905028refers to these posts of Christmas 2006: QUOTE(gomi @ Tue 26th December 2006, 6:05am) Damn, you fooled me again. I saw the thread title, and thought you were going to be talking about SlimVirgin. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=19465QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Tue 26th December 2006, 3:53pm) QUOTE(gomi @ Mon 25th December 2006, 10:05pm)
Damn, you fooled me again. I saw the thread title, and thought you were going to be talking about SlimVirgin.
(IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) And two meat puppets. http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=19477SlimVirgin has, to my eye, accurately captured the spirit of these remarks. Well, yes and no. They were pretty insulting but as ever, she twists it to make it seem a personal interaction rather than an offhand throwaway joke - as a Brit, it took me several reads to work out the sockpuppet remark. More interesting though is that nearly two years on, Slim has bookmarked, festered on, and rewritten and regurgitated a remark that was a throwaway comment. Wikipedians ability to bear a grudge over immense periods of time knows no bounds. To be frank, I'd be embarrassed to bring something like that up after this length of time. I propose that at next year's awards, we introduce the Grudge Bearing Award for the Wikipedian maintaining the longest grudge over the most trivial matter, extra points awarded for those who manage to get blocks and bans achieved on the basis of bringing these stale matters up. We could get several Eastern European states to sponsor it. |
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 17th September 2008, 9:22am)
Well, yes and no. They were pretty insulting but as ever, she twists it to make it seem a personal interaction rather than an offhand throwaway joke - as a Brit, it took me several reads to work out the sockpuppet remark.
More interesting though is that nearly two years on, Slim has bookmarked, festered on, and rewritten and regurgitated a remark that was a throwaway comment. Wikipedians ability to bear a grudge over immense periods of time knows no bounds. To be frank, I'd be embarrassed to bring something like that up after this length of time.
I am not clear that she has bookmarked these links, which I found in the course of my own research. Perhaps her hazy representation of the context in which these remarks were posted reflects her failure to adequately archive this material. |
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 17th September 2008, 11:15am) QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 17th September 2008, 9:22am)
Well, yes and no. They were pretty insulting but as ever, she twists it to make it seem a personal interaction rather than an offhand throwaway joke - as a Brit, it took me several reads to work out the sockpuppet remark.
More interesting though is that nearly two years on, Slim has bookmarked, festered on, and rewritten and regurgitated a remark that was a throwaway comment. Wikipedians ability to bear a grudge over immense periods of time knows no bounds. To be frank, I'd be embarrassed to bring something like that up after this length of time.
I am not clear that she has bookmarked these links, which I found in the course of my own research. Perhaps her hazy representation of the context in which these remarks were posted reflects her failure to adequately archive this material. Physically, or mentally she has indexed these remarks. Regardless, it is the fact that a throwaway remark, that she has remembered exactly who said it and when, yet inflates its impact, is just so typically Slim. As others have commented, she can produce the links when she wants to, so always be suspicious if she chooses not to. I mean, how much searching does it require here to find that thread, knowing what she says she remembers, though I hadn't read her accusation as describing a post here at all. |
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 17th September 2008, 6:38am)
Physically, or mentally she has indexed these remarks. Regardless, it is the fact that a throwaway remark, that she has remembered exactly who said it and when, yet inflates its impact, is just so typically Slim. As others have commented, she can produce the links when she wants to, so always be suspicious if she chooses not to. I mean, how much searching does it require here to find that thread, knowing what she says she remembers, though I hadn't read her accusation as describing a post here at all.
Perhaps we should have a contest to come up with even more memorable comeuppances, so that SlimVirgin can finally put that old chestnut back in her hope chest and bury it in mothballs with all her old sleepers and socks. Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) |
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