Global ban for Abd?, Gotta stop that POV-pushing Options

[Abd]

JzG at AN, the usual

Some of the usual usual, but I'd noticed before that T. Canens knew the difference between a block and a ban, and he points it out. JzG will try to get a ban declared, that's his history. Not that it matters.

JzG, however, has been the long-term POV-pusher here, that's clear. EnergyNeutral was, indeed, my sock. Demonstrating how I'd edit if not for the ban. Middle-of-the-road, actually. JzG archived and collapsed a discussion that was started by others, in which I'd merely commented, as if it were mine. EnergyNeutral was cooperating with Brian Josephson, a Nobel laureate in physics. By comparison, JzG has a friend who is a scientist. And he's 100% convinced that he's right. (I.e., that what his friend told him years ago is The Truth, which it might even have been, but you have to have some background to understand the issues.) He thinks he's talking about me.

(EnergyNeutral was created for just what I wrote on the EN user page, because of what I saw happening at EnergyCatalyzer, which is either the biggest fraud ever to hit the field of cold fusion, or it's the real thing, and .... the real experts are saying, "Damn! We can't tell, this is either a huge fraud, or Rossi Has Done It." Lying was not involved.) EN "pushed" for reporting what is in reliable sources, only, and added highly skeptical material. Brian Josephson had been active there, that's how he became involved. Off-wiki, he's known as a supporter of cold fusion research, and so have at least two other Nobel laureates in physics....

Hut 8.5 points to the Wikiversity documentation. Why, thanks, Hut! I tried to point to that on-wiki and it was Revision Deleted. Leading to some, ah, consideration of the boundaries of revision deletion.... The last edit documented there was May 13, and very little has anything to do with ban evasion, but it's all block evasion. EnergyNeutral was ban evasion, almost totally editing in cold fusion.

How was EnergyNeutral identified? Topic interest. Any new editor who isn't pseudoskeptical in the cold fusion area arouses claims of ban evasion, since the road is littered with knowledgeable banned editors. Has Wikipedia ever considered that it's banning scientists and experts? (Most experts simply stay away, to be sure.)

If Wikipedia were sane, the "ban evasion" and "block evasion" would be considered as to the effect. But WP isn't sane. The early block evasion consisted entirely of self-reverted edits, so there was no necessity for further enforcement. But we all know that they don't think that way. It was when they turned to revision deletion and larger range blocks, making it less convenient to IP sock, that I turned to socking. I wonder. With some socks, I've not been so careful, with some, I very much doubt they could find them. EnergyNeutral was very obvious as a suspect, and I didn't take any care about OS and browser details, so Coren did not have to work hard.

Rdfox 76 suggests a global ban, based on alleged "POV-pushing." That's interesting. WTF is Rdfox 76 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ? From the user page, I get the distinct feeling that this guy isn't, er, collaborative. Guns.

Not only can someone be banned on Wikipedia for coming to positive conclusions about cold fusion (which is now a substantial minority position among scientists, possibly a majority opinion among subject matter experts, like the peer reviewers in journals), but we will attempt to make sure that it isn't even studied, as at Wikiversity.

My, my. JzG edits BLP on Brian Josephson. That had been discussed on Talk, and the removal had been suggested by Stanistani, I decided that it was poorly sourced, took it out, and 2over0, normally an editor who'd as soon see me vanished, agreed and praised the removal.

From my supposed POV-pushing, I'd have wanted it mentioned that Brian Josephson is friendly with cold fusion researchers, and, of course, I know it to be a fact, because I know the field and am in close contact with the scientists, including face-to-face contact with some, and, I expect, more coming. I'm having fun, except when I get tempted to look back at Wikipedia.... Someone may notice JzG's restoration of improperly sourced BLP material....

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[EricBarbour]

I will say this: during this "process" of "convincing" the "community" to "ban" you,
Abd, it's been worth the trouble to wade thru your lengthy posts.

Because you are undoubtedly driving JzG up the wall and down the other side.
I have a mental image of him, reading your commentary, then screaming with rage,
tearing the remains of his hair out, throwing his chair across the room, etc.
Very much worth it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

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[Abd]

I will say this: during this "process" of "convincing" the "community" to "ban" you, Abd, it's been worth the trouble to wade thru your lengthy posts.

Because you are undoubtedly driving JzG up the wall and down the other side. I have a mental image of him, reading your commentary, then screaming with rage, tearing the remains of his hair out, throwing his chair across the room, etc. Very much worth it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

He does seem to have gotten a tad upset. He wrote this, November 9, 2009, at a point when I'd been site-banned from Wikipedia for three months. I remembered JzG as having made a similar comment on Wikipedia, but I looked and couldn't find it.

Now I know why. He deleted his User talk page, 1 Sept, 2009. MZMcBride restored it in December, with a bit of a troutslap. Since then, JzG has hidden many revisions to his user page. I'd call that recusal failure, actually. Looks like he stopped doing this in October, 2010. Others have done it for him since then. Looking back over his talk page, ah, such memories! Here an editor confronts him on his removal of a link that consensus had established at Martin Fleischmann. Despite a number of such attempts, that link is still there today. (by the way, the other paper is also on lenr-canr.org, and it's a better paper....)

JzG story, that he tells himself and everyone else, is that Abd never learns, never responds, just keeps saying the same thing. Maybe. But Geez, Louise.... Here he is on meta, with the same old same old: an evidence-free request, beating the same horse though the blood doesn't even splatter any more, it's all dried up and gone....

Don't you just hate it when someone totally demolishes your carefully typed and spell-checked arguments? And then when you repeat them, does it again? "Why is eveybody always pickin on me?" Can't they just leave me in peace? I only blacklist a few web sites any more! No fair! No fun!

I guess I am repeating myself. I promise, I'll stop.

[Milton Roe]

I will say this: during this "process" of "convincing" the "community" to "ban" you, Abd, it's been worth the trouble to wade thru your lengthy posts.

Because you are undoubtedly driving JzG up the wall and down the other side. I have a mental image of him, reading your commentary, then screaming with rage, tearing the remains of his hair out, throwing his chair across the room, etc. Very much worth it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

He does seem to have gotten a tad upset.

But my mental image of JzG is some wanker on a bicycle in the UK, doing nothing much of anything. Why on Earth would he have a bug up his bum about cold fusion? Mr. Burns, owner of the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, I could understand. But what's Guy Chapman's beef?

Milton

Which reminds me-- what are the überEcoFriendly Die Grünen Germans going to do when they run out of electricity in a few years hence? Buy it from the French? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Burn some coal? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Invade Russia and Romania, with drive toward Ploieşti? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) Inquiring minds want to know.

[Abd]

I will say this: during this "process" of "convincing" the "community" to "ban" you, Abd, it's been worth the trouble to wade thru your lengthy posts.

Because you are undoubtedly driving JzG up the wall and down the other side. I have a mental image of him, reading your commentary, then screaming with rage, tearing the remains of his hair out, throwing his chair across the room, etc. Very much worth it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

He does seem to have gotten a tad upset.

But my mental image of JzG is some wanker on a bicycle in the UK, doing nothing much of anything. Why on Earth would he have a bug up his bum about cold fusion? Mr. Burns, owner of the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, I could understand. But what's Guy Chapman's beef?

To steal a phrase from Moulton, it's retaliation for narcissistic wounding. I covered this in RfAr/Abd and JzG. With his first edit to Cold fusion, he stuck his foot in his mouth, and Pcarbonn pointed it out. JzG actually repeated this kind of error, over and over -- even this very one --, was reverted, and apparently concluded that fringe fanatics were owning the article....

JzG should have been contained or banned (I'm not big on bans!) long ago. He was famous for gross incivility, worse than I've ever seen from any administrator, but Jehochman told me he also did a lot of work, apparently, with OTRS, and the political reality is that the powers that be are very reluctant to kill the goose that lays the golden egg of massive free labor.

It's a trap.

Which reminds me-- what are the überEcoFriendly Die Grünen Germans going to do when they run out of electricity in a few years hence? Buy it from the French? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Burn some coal? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Invade Russia and Romania, with drive toward Ploieşti? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif) Inquiring minds want to know.

If they are lucky, Andrea Rossi's Energy Catalyzer is real and the Greeks will save them. Note: skepticism about Rossi is likely being encouraged by Rossi himself, it's become rather obvious, for sound business reasons given the patent situation. Unfortunately for the rest of us, there is very little way to tell the difference between this strategy and an actual con. Make sure you have plenty of popcorn, this is getting interesting.

For a little inside background, lots of people are working on NiH. Previous NiH effects in the literature were sketchy and there was a lot of skepticism even from those firmly convinced that cold fusion, of the PdD variety, was real. Same problem, though: WTF is going on? I.e., no clear explanatory theory.

Defkalion has a press conference scheduled for June 23.