GNAA articles in the userspace, How the bureaucracy won't leave users alone Options

[Michaeldsuarez]

I'm tire of the thread I started at the ED forum not receiving any attention, so I'm starting a thread on the topic here as well.

On August 9, 2010, I noticed that Jimbo interfered with a GNAA article in the userspace. This was also the day I realized that I needed a WR account in order to talk to the WP critics.

Not much happened to Riffic's article, but on August 27, 2010, "Murdox" (possibly a GNAA sympathizer or member) created his own GNAA article in the userspace. Less than a hour later, PeterSymonds deleted the article and blocked Murdox. Alison reversed these actions.

Today, a MfD case is being held. So the question is: Should these sorts of articles be allowed in the userspace?

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[EricBarbour]

* Strong delete – do not feed the trolls. –MuZemike 18:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
o The only trolls here seem to be the deletionists this time around. LiteralKa (talk) 19:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
+ Watch who you're calling a "deletionist" LiteralKa. Some people can actually see past this ruse. –MuZemike 19:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# So legitimate content is a "ruse" now? LiteralKa (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* I don't know. What else would you call freenode IRC canvassing in the form of "EDIT THIS SHIT FAGGOTS". In my opinion, this whole situation stinks. –MuZemike 20:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
o That wasn't even on Freenode. Additionally: When in Rome... LiteralKa (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
+ But they have been trolling the #freenode channel severely to the point where the ops had to shut the channel down. They've also repeated their terror on similar WP-related channels. –MuZemike 20:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# How is that even relevant to canvassing? LiteralKa (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* Because it's a clear attempt by this organization to wedge their article back on WP, and they're trying to do it by any means necessary. This is not the only time this has been attempted, either. –MuZemike 20:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
o So trolling IRC networks is really an attempt to get a wiki article? LiteralKa (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
+ That would be right. I can vouch for that, and so can others, including DiegoGrez above. –MuZemike 20:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# Also, speaking of "trying to do it by any means necessary", deletionists did that to the old mainspace article dozens of times.
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**This is all off-wiki. Additionally, it seems you've mistaken a topic on a completely separate IRC network for freenode canvassing. Also, I'd like to point you to WP:IDONTLIKEIT Murdox (talk) 20:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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+ And seriously, when does canvasing even matter for an *article*. There is no vote to change. LiteralKa (talk) 20:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# Don't throw IDONTLIKEIT in my face; I know very well what that means. I am not changing my !vote, period. –MuZemike 20:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* So now you have no point to make, and still wish to keep the vote? Very well. LiteralKa (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
o Figuring how this MFD is going, I'll see you at AFD #19. –MuZemike 20:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
+ So not only do you wish to keep trying, but you want to have yet another AFD. Don't game the system. LiteralKa (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# Who said I was going to nominate it? Somebody eventually will, especially for something contentious as this. –MuZemike 20:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* I sure didn't. Oh, I see you're included in CAT:RESTORE. Would it be at all possible to provide me with a copy of the old GNAA article? Thank you in advance. LiteralKa (talk) 20:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
o Despite our disagreements, I can do that. Wiki-page or email? –MuZemike 20:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
+ Wikipage would be more appropriate/useful. LiteralKa (talk) 20:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
# YesY Done User:LiteralKa/Gay Nigger Association of America –MuZemike 20:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* Thank you. LiteralKa (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Assholes.

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[CharlotteWebb]

Other members involve a developer of Debian Linux[6]. Sam Hocevar, a former Debian Project Leader, has been questioned in the past regarding his affiliation with the GNAA on a public mailing list[7]

Sam's affiliation with the GNAA is beyond dispute. Despite being widely known at the time of his RFA, this earned him only six oppose votes. His performance as an admin was well above average.

He hosts a goatse tribute site, available at http://sam.zoy.org/goatse/ and cited in the goatse article on WP.

(IMG:http://i52.tinypic.com/5afkm9.jpg)

He also designed the GNAA corporate logo.
(IMG:http://i51.tinypic.com/skyp3t.png)

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ser:Murdox/GNAA

The MfD has been closed. I didn't realize these sort of discussions close so fast.

Also, I believe the the MfD simply attracted a new contributor to the article: LiteralKa (T-C-L-K-R-D) . The Streisand effect at work.

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[Alison]

Sam's affiliation with the GNAA is beyond dispute. Despite being widely known at the time of his RFA, this earned him only six oppose votes. His performance as an admin was well above average.

He hosts a goatse tribute site, available at http://sam.zoy.org/goatse/ and cited in the goatse article on WP.

[snip]

He also designed the GNAA corporate logo.
(IMG:http://i51.tinypic.com/skyp3t.png)

I'm not sure if he actually designed that logo, but he certainly produced the Commons one which, BTW, I've now restored seeing as it's actively being used again.

[Alison]

Not much happened to Riffic's article, but on August 27, 2010, "Murdox" (possibly a GNAA sympathizer or member) created his own GNAA article in the userspace. Less than a hour later, PeterSymonds deleted the article and blocked Murdox. Alison reversed these actions.

I've no comment either way on the article, but that block was completely out of order. When PeterSymonds was called on it, he realized it was a bit off & I unblocked. The guy hadn't actually done anything whatsoever on-wiki, and WP doesn't block for off-wiki stuff ... right? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[thekohser]

On August 9, 2010, I noticed that Jimbo interfered with a GNAA article in the userspace.

There is one reason, and probably one reason only, why Jimbo got involved with this matter... his desire to get in Julia Allison's pants.

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[MZMcBride]

I'm not sure if he actually designed that logo, but he certainly produced the Commons one which, BTW, I've now restored seeing as it's actively being used again.

That should be an SVG, surely.

[Alison]

I'm not sure if he actually designed that logo, but he certainly produced the Commons one which, BTW, I've now restored seeing as it's actively being used again.

That should be an SVG, surely.

Someone else can do it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif) At least the colours are right now ...

[Michaeldsuarez]

I'm not sure if he actually designed that logo, but he certainly produced the Commons one which, BTW, I've now restored seeing as it's actively being used again.

That should be an SVG, surely.

Someone else can do it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif) At least the colours are right now ...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...e:Gnaa_logo.svg

There's already a SVG vector version.

[A Horse With No Name]

...and WP doesn't block for off-wiki stuff ... right? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[thekohser]

He also designed the GNAA corporate logo.
(IMG:http://i51.tinypic.com/skyp3t.png)

Looks like one I've seen before. Am I thinking of KPMG?

[Michaeldsuarez]

Another GNAA Deletion Review has been started.

[EricBarbour]

#

# Request: LiteralKa, please provide links to the sources that establish notability. Please provide no more than four such links. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 04:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

* [1], Establishes link between Goatsec and GNAA, [2], and [3]. LiteralKa (talk) 04:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
o The first source provides little information about the group; GNAA is only mentioned as an example to: "The “find a group” section of the new Barack Obama social network contains a hard coded racial and sexual orientation slur." The article does not delve into the history or activities of GNAA. The second article mentions GNAA in passing. I was not able to find any mention of GNAA in the third and fourth sources.

Unless reliable sources that discuss GNAA in a nontrivial manner are found, my position is keep deleted. Cunard (talk) 05:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
+ The second link establishes a connection between the GNAA and Goatsec. Pay attention. LiteralKa (talk) 05:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
# Yes, but that is still a passing mention. Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline requires significant coverage in reliable sources. Cunard (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
# I'm not entirely sure why my userspace draft has already been put up for the DRV, but I'd like to offer [4] as a non-trivial publication reference. Murdox (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
* Much better; this brings GNAA closer to passing Wikipedia:Notability but is not enough. Are there more nontrivial reliable sources? Cunard (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
o this and everything that covered the iPad incident. LiteralKa (talk) 05:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Still assholes.

[diegogrez]

In effect, both Murdox and LiteralKa are part of the GNAA IRC network. Murdox is an op there, and LiteralKa is voiced. There must be something special with that hierarchy (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

http://diegogrez.users.source forge.net/wiki/images/Gnaa_IRC_Log.jpg

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://diegogrez.users.sourceforge.net/wik...naa_IRC_Log.jpg

Your URL link was broken. I fixed it here.

[diegogrez]

http://diegogrez.users.sourceforge.net/wik...naa_IRC_Log.jpg

Your URL link was broken. I fixed it here.

Yeah, dunno what happened there.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://diegogrez.users.sourceforge.net/wik...naa_IRC_Log.jpg

Your URL link was broken. I fixed it here.

Yeah, dunno what happened there.

No problem. Nice to see the guy who Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Murdox/GNAA here. I guess that you really dislike the GNAA IRC. Out of curiosity, have you ever interacted with the GNAA (or vice versa), or did you simply "lurked" their channel?

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[diegogrez]

http://diegogrez.users.sourceforge.net/wik...naa_IRC_Log.jpg

Your URL link was broken. I fixed it here.

Yeah, dunno what happened there.

No problem. Nice to see the guy who Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Murdox/GNAA here. I guess that you really dislike the GNAA IRC. Out of curiosity, have you ever interacted with the GNAA (or vice versa), or did you simply "lurked" their channel?

The only interactions with the GNAA have been when I nominated the userspace article for deletion and when I "lurked" ( (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) ) their channel

[Rat Monkey]

The only interactions with the GNAA have been when I nominated the userspace article for deletion and when I "lurked" ( (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) ) their channel

Then what's up with your fascination and incessant discussion about someone's user space draft? Grow up.

[Ottava]

The only interactions with the GNAA have been when I nominated the userspace article for deletion and when I "lurked" ( (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) ) their channel

Then what's up with your fascination and incessant discussion about someone's user space draft? Grow up.

Hey Mods, ae we going to be taken over by GNAA trolls like the above?


Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

[CharlotteWebb]

Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

That reminds me, I should start a sub-page about the catholic church.

[Tarc]

The only interactions with the GNAA have been when I nominated the userspace article for deletion and when I "lurked" ( (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) ) their channel

Then what's up with your fascination and incessant discussion about someone's user space draft? Grow up.

Hey Mods, ae we going to be taken over by GNAA trolls like the above?


Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

Your impeccable logic is stunningly persuasive.

[Michaeldsuarez]

The DRV has been closed as "No consensus to permit recreation". The article will remain salted.

[Alison]

The DRV has been closed as "No consensus to permit recreation". The article will remain salted.

It's not okay to have an article on the GNAA because Wikipedians don't like them, but it's okay to have an article for every species of Pokémon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[Doc glasgow]

The DRV has been closed as "No consensus to permit recreation". The article will remain salted.

It's not okay to have an article on the GNAA because Wikipedians don't like them, but it's okay to have an article for every species of Pokémon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

I don't think the two are comparable. Pokemon articles are certainly useless, but they are harmless and present no verification/sourcing issues.

The GNAA raises both of those questions. However you might decide them, there's clearly a debate over the GNAA that doesn't even arguably apply to Pokocruft.

[A Horse With No Name]

Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

[Milton Roe]

Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

Great scene. Also led me to this scene, which is indeed almost as bad, but you have to suspend your disbelief and pretend that you're 10 years old again.

[CharlotteWebb]

Great scene. Also led me to this scene, which is indeed almost as bad, but you have to suspend your disbelief and pretend that you're 10 years old again.

Lol, is that Shatner vs. Peppard?

[Michaeldsuarez]

Just a few closing updates for this thread:

Diego Grez has just "retired" from Wikipedia.

Of course, he only quit editing Wikipedia; he plans to devote his time to Wikinews. Diego contributes here as well.

The last straw for him appears to be the nomination of one of your articles for deletion. Personally, I don't see the point of having the article, but I guess he sees it differently.

Also, I created the Goatse Security (T-H-L-K-D) article a few days ago, and there doesn't appear to be any opposition so far.

[EricBarbour]

Diego Grez has just "retired" from Wikipedia.

I'm glad he finally got out.
That smart young man should not waste his time trying to bail out the Pacific.

(I'd like to nominate this guy for "WP Troll Of The Month.")

Also, I created the Goatse Security (T-H-L-K-D) article a few days ago, and there doesn't appear to be any opposition so far.

What's really funny to me: WP's Internet trolling category isn't nearly big enough. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

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[Michaeldsuarez]

(I'd like to nominate this guy for "WP Troll Of The Month.")

And I nominate for this person:

Oppose I wonder how Chile is a significant country?

[Michaeldsuarez]

Diego Grez has just "retired" from Wikipedia.

I'm glad he finally got out.
That smart young man should not waste his time trying to bail out the Pacific.

It appears that Diego changed his mind; it just a WikiBreak now.

[Greaser]

Also, I created the Goatse Security (T-H-L-K-D) article a few days ago, and there doesn't appear to be any opposition so far.

You forgot to put weev's real name in your article. Is it because you are a sysop on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and weev, although he was desysopped after he was arrested, is still more powerful than you and might kick your butt on ED if you insert his real name? Or did you merely miss this article as well as this one?

[Gary_Niger]

Also, I believe the the MfD simply attracted a new contributor to the article: LiteralKa (T-C-L-K-R-D) . The Streisand effect at work.

Wow. A LOT has happened since then!

Also, I created the Goatse Security (T-H-L-K-D) article a few days ago, and there doesn't appear to be any opposition so far.

You forgot to put weev's real name in your article. Is it because you are a sysop on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and weev, although he was desysopped after he was arrested, is still more powerful than you and might kick your butt on ED if you insert his real name? Or did you merely miss this article as well as this one?

Well that doesn't seem fair at all. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you do not like something, change it.

The only interactions with the GNAA have been when I nominated the userspace article for deletion and when I "lurked" ( (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) ) their channel

Then what's up with your fascination and incessant discussion about someone's user space draft? Grow up.

Hey Mods, ae we going to be taken over by GNAA trolls like the above?


Also, the page is stupid in user space, not in user space, etc, because the GNAA and all people connected to it are stupid.

Well, I find that rather offensive. I'll bet that you haven't even talked to many, if any, of us. If you had, you'd find that the vast majority of us can conduct relatively intelligent and informed debate, discussion, and even small talk.

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[Somey]

Well, I find that rather offensive. I'll bet that you haven't even talked to many, if any, of us. If you had, you'd find that the vast majority of us can conduct relatively intelligent and informed debate, discussion, and even small talk.

How's the weather down there?

Also, if I remove your current avatar, will you insist on putting it back?

[Gary_Niger]

Well, I find that rather offensive. I'll bet that you haven't even talked to many, if any, of us. If you had, you'd find that the vast majority of us can conduct relatively intelligent and informed debate, discussion, and even small talk.

How's the weather down there?

A bit "dark" at the moment.

Also, if I remove your current avatar, will you insist on putting it back?

That is a very likely outcome.

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[Somey]

That is a very likely outcome.

I'm assuming it's not a photo of you... I guess it doesn't matter all that much big-picture-wise, but I was curious if the guy is a model or an actual person (not that models can't be actual people, but you know what I mean). If he's an actual person, then that's what we might call "contextually unacceptable."

I think I can actually prevent you from putting it back, but of course, I wanted to give you the chance to help us avoid unnecessary fuss. I personally don't mind the idea of our having people here who purportedly represent GNAA in some capacity, but we do have rules against hate speech and so forth, so you'd have to be willing to avoid that at least.

[Gary_Niger]

That is a very likely outcome.

I think I can actually prevent you from putting it back, but of course, I wanted to give you the chance to help us avoid unnecessary fuss. I personally don't mind the idea of our having people here who purportedly represent GNAA in some capacity, but we do have rules against hate speech and so forth, so you'd have to be willing to avoid that at least.

Lucky for you, GNAA is a trolling organization, not a group that promotes hate speech of any sort. (See our "about" page for more information.)

I'm assuming it's not a photo of you... I guess it doesn't matter all that much big-picture-wise, but I was curious if the guy is a model or an actual person (not that models can't be actual people, but you know what I mean). If he's an actual person, then that's what we might call "contextually unacceptable."

This is indeed a picture of me. It is an old one, admittedly, but still my favorite.

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[Somey]

This is indeed a picture of me. It is an old one, admittedly, but still my favorite.

That's not true, but since he does appear to be a model, maybe we'll just give you a day or two with it and hope whatever thrill you've achieved from making it your avatar wears off.

Who even approved your registration? Wait a minute, why am I asking you that... I'm supposed to answer that question... Anyway, your WP Username entry doesn't even point to an actual Wikipedia account.

Oh well, I guess I'll let it go for now, but please don't make me regret that. I'm in enough trouble with the gay folks as it is! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)