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I have to say, Doc, when I saw the topic "Who gets the WR endorsement for Arbcom09" pop up with your name as the most recent contributor, I assumed that some Wikipedia fanboy had started the thread and you'd retorted by dourly asking them to focus on something more consequential.
Still, what fun! But are radio button polls the only format supported by this site?
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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Mon 30th November 2009, 7:47pm)
I have to say, Doc, when I saw the topic "Who gets the WR endorsement for Arbcom09" pop up with your name as the most recent contributor, I assumed that some Wikipedia fanboy had started the thread and you'd retorted by dourly asking them to focus on something more consequential.
Still, what fun! But are radio button polls the only format supported by this site?
The whole wikipedia/anti-wikipedia thing is about fun. I no longer take any of it seriously - except where it has negative consequences on real live people.
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Kurt Weber, obviously. He is the only one who openly promises to try and bring down the attrocity monstrosity from the inside if elected. All hail the "Anti-Bauder"
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Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly. An Arbcom with a clear majority of undoubted nutjobs will hasten the day in which what laughably passes for a Wikipedia governance process chokes on its own vomit, and the WMF is forced to bite the bullet and replace the ridiculous psuedo-masonic hierarchy with a properly constituted board of governors.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:12pm)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly.
Any chance you'd explain your "endorsements" of AGK, Hersfold, and Seddon? I don't know much about any of them, and am still considering whether to support them.
Also, by your criteria why not Kurt or RMHED (the second of whom seem pretty intelligent, but also doesn't seem likely to facilitate effective conflict resolution)?
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I'd vote for Steve Smith (WR's Sarcasticidealist.) He's pro-Wikipedian but he thinks better than rest of this rabble. Someday he'll flip sides and become a critic. I've noticed that being on ArbCom has had an effect One too. Mostly in tone and mostly taking form of impatience. He could eventually get things right too. I'll bet half of PETA once worked in meat packing.
But I can't vote. I haven't touched Wikipedia in well over a year.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 30th November 2009, 12:23pm)
I guess you could re-do with buttons for each candidate in a separate section e.g.
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Or maybe just "not support" if the actual ballot has no "oppose" option, shrug.
Trying to devise a workable poll with this software is a headache. Kirill wasn't my first choice, but I wish I could have voted for him as a secondary option, as he seems semi-reasonable. There ought to be an option as well to have Fred Bauder exiled to ED.
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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:19am)
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:12pm)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly.
Any chance you'd explain your "endorsements" of AGK, Hersfold, and Seddon? I don't know much about any of them, and am still considering whether to support them.
Also, by your criteria why not Kurt or RMHED (the second of whom seem pretty intelligent, but also doesn't seem likely to facilitate effective conflict resolution)?
AGK is a reincarnation of Anthony cfc (T-C-L-K-R-D)
, and I can't do better at summing up the problem than the oppose section of his RFA did. Sure, it was two years ago, but I see no evidence that this isn't the latest manifestation of the same "I want every job going because I'm so important" shtick.
Hersfold may be great for all I know; what I do know is that when I was on Wikipedia I got around a lot, and never once saw him in any context other than throwing himself into an argument regardless of whether it related to him in any way.
No point voting for Kurt and RHMED other than the lulz value of seeing them top the poll (don't worry, I'm doing my damndest to get them there; Horsey, Undertow, Peter, you might want to join me in this one). Even if they win, Jimbo will just veto them.
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Having been repeatedly burned by voting for bad candidates in the past, my support votes this year will be based strictly on clear pledges made by the candidates. Candidates can receive my support by making pledges on one of two issues: they can pledge to conduct all or nearly all of their arbitration-related deliberations on-wiki and to promote ArbCom transparency in general, or they can pledge to help me get my own case reviewed and my restrictions lifted. AGK made a transparently-related pledge, so I'm planning to vote for him. As far as I know, no other candidate has made a pledge on either of the issues, so I will vote for none of them unless they do.
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I'd vote for Steve Smith (WR's Sarcasticidealist.) He's pro-Wikipedian but he thinks better than rest of this rabble. Someday he'll flip sides and become a critic. I've noticed that being on ArbCom has had an effect One too. Mostly in tone and mostly taking form of impatience. He could eventually get things right too. I'll bet half of PETA once worked in meat packing.
One/CHL is one of the saddest cases I've seen. He was a promising candidate, but as an arbitrator, he's ceased to represent any sort of critical or reformist perspective. Do you suppose being on the secret mailing list has done that to him? Special privileges can have that effect on people...when you get special privileges, it's easy to start thinking that things really aren't so bad after all, and people need to stop whining.
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QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Mon 30th November 2009, 11:57pm)
Excuse me?
Apologies - I did not intend to imply that you were stupid, though your interpretation otherwise was a reasonable one. What I meant was that it is patently obvious why somebody aiming to have ArbCom "choke on its own vomit" would want to vote for you, but that my listing of RMHED in the same category might require elaboration. A better wording would have been "Also, by your criteria why not Kurt (who's clearly a maniac) or RMHED (who seems pretty intelligent, but also doesn't seem likely to facilitate effective conflict resolution)?"
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 30th November 2009, 8:12pm)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly. An Arbcom with a clear majority of undoubted nutjobs will hasten the day in which what laughably passes for a Wikipedia governance process chokes on its own vomit, and the WMF is forced to bite the bullet and replace the ridiculous psuedo-masonic hierarchy with a properly constituted board of governors.
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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:01pm)
QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Mon 30th November 2009, 11:57pm)
Excuse me?
Apologies - I did not intend to imply that you were stupid, though your interpretation otherwise was a reasonable one. What I meant was that it is patently obvious why somebody aiming to have ArbCom "choke on its own vomit" would want to vote for you, but that my listing of RMHED in the same category might require elaboration. A better wording would have been "Also, by your criteria why not Kurt (who's clearly a maniac) or RMHED (who seems pretty intelligent, but also doesn't seem likely to facilitate effective conflict resolution)?"
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QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Mon 30th November 2009, 7:57pm)
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Mon 30th November 2009, 7:19pm)
why not Kurt or RMHED (the second of whom seem pretty intelligent
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Excuse me?
You blew it with the Rand-pushing. To steal a simile from Einstein: Objectivism is like measles; it's an infantile disease.
In due time as you age, you'll realize that no man is an island. And you'll weep for whatever altruism you can get, since as you get older, you'll find in your bones that the natural human condition is pretty shitty, and not at all heroic. With the possible exception of people who actually pause to help others through the shit, and with the shit, when they could just as easily ignore them and move on.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 30th November 2009, 8:24pm)
One of these days we'll have to properly upgrade this site... I think the latest version allows for things like that, though I could be mistaken.
Difficult to tell, as the software has been heavily customised, but I'd say you're three versions behind.
On the subject of the poll, do we want someone whom we know to be an expert at the job but frequently give wrong decisions (you know who I mean), or someone of whose expertise we have no idea? Tough!
I'm sorry, putting Cla68 in with RHMED and Kurt is an insult. Even if you were just joking around.
Cla68 is a serious candidate who has shown dedication to the project and a devotion to doing the right thing, and a high tolerance for getting dealt shitty hands. ArbCom could really use his expertise.
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QUOTE(Random832 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:38pm)
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:42am)
There ought to be an option as well to have Fred Bauder exiled to ED.
Or redirected to Clown, at least.
Seriously, he's running?
Oh yes.
I got indef blocked by Tznkai for asking OFF (Old Friend Fred) about some deep, dark sekrets of his legal past. And my Q's not only were removed but deleted (wanna see em?). WP moves very quickly when it comes to protecting the perceived privacy of its own.
Less than 3 hours later, after some urging by Casliber and Giano, Tznkai unblocks me, I re ask my questions to the venerable jurist in a more PC manner and we end up having a pleasant discussion Oh and I end up joining Wikipedia Review...so unlike many stories here, this one ended well.
Aside from the Hasten The Day™ crew, I see no reason why any sane, rational Reviewer would vote to put OFF back on the Itty Bitty Titty Committee.
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I'm sorry, putting Cla68 in with RHMED and Kurt is an insult. Even if you were just joking around.
Cla68 is a serious candidate who has shown dedication to the project and a devotion to doing the right thing, and a high tolerance for getting dealt shitty hands. ArbCom could really use his expertise.
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
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QUOTE(Jaranda @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:17am)
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
Eh, phooey. I like all three of these guys -- Cla68 is a class act, RHMED brings some much needed irreverence to the show and Kurt is the best thing to come out of Indiana since James Dean. I hope these guys win. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:25pm)
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:17am)
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
Eh, phooey. I like all three of these guys -- Cla68 is a class act, RHMED brings some much needed irreverence to the show and Kurt is the best thing to come out of Indiana since James Dean. I hope these guys win. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(Jaranda @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:17am)
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
Eh, phooey. I like all three of these guys -- Cla68 is a class act, RHMED brings some much needed irreverence to the show and Kurt is the best thing to come out of Indiana since James Dean. I hope these guys win. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:38pm)
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QUOTE(Jaranda @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:17am)
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
Eh, phooey. I like all three of these guys -- Cla68 is a class act, RHMED brings some much needed irreverence to the show and Kurt is the best thing to come out of Indiana since James Dean. I hope these guys win. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
I'm sorry, putting Cla68 in with RHMED and Kurt is an insult. Even if you were just joking around.
Cla68 is a serious candidate who has shown dedication to the project and a devotion to doing the right thing, and a high tolerance for getting dealt shitty hands. ArbCom could really use his expertise.
I agree with Lar here, Cla68 is one of our most dedicated article writers, and a smart contributer who would be a bonus for the committee. He doesn't belong in the same category as those two. He should have gotten adminship a long time ago.
Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:24pm)
Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
I don't understand why he's running for ArbCom when he's not an admin. I don't think there's much doubt at all that he'd pass an RfA now, so why doesn't he run for that again? Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates, and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules--it seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage. But having said all that, Cla68 can have my vote if he just makes a pledge on one of the two issues I described earlier in the thread.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:59pm)
Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates...
You mean every candidate who won a popularity contest? I don't know anything about "community endorsement." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)
QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:59pm)
...and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules.
There is a difference between doing something and doing something correctly. If the 2009 Arbcom is any indication, their administrative experience did not prepare them for such labors as opening and reading e-mails, enforcing sockpuppet policies with something that has a passing resemblance to consistency, answering very easy Yes or No questions and behaving with some sense of maturity and decorum. Of course, let's not forget Sam Blacketer, whose shenanigans gave WP its biggest PR black eye this year -- admin and arbitrator!
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It seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage.
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QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:03pm)
I will probably win.
That's what we need on Arbcom -- gung-ho Hoosier farm boys who can toss around the WP issues like bales of hay and squeeze out the hypocrisy like they were squeezing the udders of a milk cow.
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QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:03pm)
I will probably win.
It would help if you had my vote, Kurt. And just think about it--user trends being what they are, in just a few years I may constitute a substantial portion of the electorate, so getting my support is really a long-term investment. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Even though I opposed you in the past because I questioned your sanity, this year things are much simpler: to get my support, all you have to do is make a pledge on one of the two key issues I described earlier. (Bauder and Kirill are excluded on grounds of moral turpitude, not that they'd ever make the pledges anyway.)
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:13pm)
It would help if you had my vote, Kurt. And just think about it--user trends being what they are, in just a few years I may constitute a substantial portion of the electorate, so getting my support is really a long-term investment. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Even though I opposed you in the past because I questioned your sanity, this year things are much simpler: to get my support, all you have to do is make a pledge on one of the two key issues I described earlier. (Bauder and Kirill are excluded on grounds of moral turpitude, not that they'd ever make the pledges anyway.)
The only ArbCom business in which Kurt intends to engage is voting to reject cases, which is necessarily on-wiki. Hasn't he made one of your pledges by implication?
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:13pm)
It would help if you had my vote, Kurt. And just think about it--user trends being what they are, in just a few years I may constitute a substantial portion of the electorate, so getting my support is really a long-term investment. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Even though I opposed you in the past because I questioned your sanity, this year things are much simpler: to get my support, all you have to do is make a pledge on one of the two key issues I described earlier. (Bauder and Kirill are excluded on grounds of moral turpitude, not that they'd ever make the pledges anyway.)
The only ArbCom business in which Kurt intends to engage is voting to reject cases, which is necessarily on-wiki. Hasn't he made one of your pledges by implication?
Hmm. He might win on a technicality there, but it's not really in the spirit of the pledge. In spirit, that pledge requires something more like actual work and deliberations on-wiki.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:59pm)
QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:24pm)
Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
I don't understand why he's running for ArbCom when he's not an admin. I don't think there's much doubt at all that he'd pass an RfA now, so why doesn't he run for that again? Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates, and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules--it seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage. But having said all that, Cla68 can have my vote if he just makes a pledge on one of the two issues I described earlier in the thread.
I suppose the same filter could be used to screen out stupid (if ironic) comments on how people should vote.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:59pm)
QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:24pm)
Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
I don't understand why he's running for ArbCom when he's not an admin. I don't think there's much doubt at all that he'd pass an RfA now, so why doesn't he run for that again? Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates, and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules--it seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage. But having said all that, Cla68 can have my vote if he just makes a pledge on one of the two issues I described earlier in the thread.
The complete opposite would be far superior, ArbCom should consist entirely of non-admins. This takes away any possible temptation to act as judge and jury and would act as a deterrent to the power seekers.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 30th November 2009, 8:12pm)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly. An Arbcom with a clear majority of undoubted nutjobs will hasten the day in which what laughably passes for a Wikipedia governance process chokes on its own vomit, and the WMF is forced to bite the bullet and replace the ridiculous psuedo-masonic hierarchy with a properly constituted board of governors.
Yay I'm a nutjob! Actually you'll be surprised with my candidacy, read the questions. I'm very serious about this.
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QUOTE(Jaranda @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:33pm)
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 30th November 2009, 8:12pm)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly. An Arbcom with a clear majority of undoubted nutjobs will hasten the day in which what laughably passes for a Wikipedia governance process chokes on its own vomit, and the WMF is forced to bite the bullet and replace the ridiculous psuedo-masonic hierarchy with a properly constituted board of governors.
Yay I'm a nutjob! Actually you'll be surprised with my candidacy, read the questions. I'm very serious about this.
Yes, you're a serious nutjob. Ma & Pa must be so proud.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:52pm)
The complete opposite would be far superior, ArbCom should consist entirely of non-admins. This takes away any possible temptation to act as judge and jury and would act as a deterrent to the power seekers.
Indeed. And, as I've previously said, I believe Wikipedia should strip all arbcom members of their administrative powers for the duration of their service as arbitrators. Of course, this will never happen.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:12am)
Assuming they're telling the truth about electing eight people, vote AGK, Bauder, Hersfold, Secret, Seddon, Shell Kinney, Unomi and Connelly. An Arbcom with a clear majority of undoubted nutjobs will hasten the day in which what laughably......
I am flattered but what sane person would honestly want to be on arbcom?
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:59pm)
QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:24pm)
Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
I don't understand why he's running for ArbCom when he's not an admin. I don't think there's much doubt at all that he'd pass an RfA now, so why doesn't he run for that again? Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates, and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules--it seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage. But having said all that, Cla68 can have my vote if he just makes a pledge on one of the two issues I described earlier in the thread.
I couldn't disagree more. In order to pass Rfa these days one has to run a PC gauntlet. A lot of potentially good candidates get thus excluded. Moreover the admin corps(e) as a whole is corrupt; loaded down with Jimbots, Cabalistas and wanna-be's. There is good reason why the number of active admins has been falling and successful Rfa's have not been keeping pace with this attrition.
We need MORE non-admins on the AC. In fact I think it is an excellent idea to have admin arbs turn in their mops while on the Comm. Sure it won't happen, but it's still a good idea.
Let's not have any delusions here. Cla68 has stepped on far too many over-sensitive, over-powerful tootsies (he's quite fearless in that regard) to pass Rfa. But as an Arb candidate he is without peer IMO. Yet I worry how much of a kiss o deth effect our support of him might have.
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 1:01pm)
Cla68 has stepped on far too many over-sensitive, over-powerful tootsies (he's quite fearless in that regard) to pass Rfa. But as an Arb candidate he is without peer IMO. Yet I worry how much of a kiss o deth effect our support of him might have.
I wouldn't be surprised if those mugs rig the vote count and have Coren and Kirill re-elected by unscrupulous means. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 6:05pm)
QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 1:01pm)
Cla68 has stepped on far too many over-sensitive, over-powerful tootsies (he's quite fearless in that regard) to pass Rfa. But as an Arb candidate he is without peer IMO. Yet I worry how much of a kiss o deth effect our support of him might have.
I wouldn't be surprised if those mugs rig the vote count and have Coren and Kirill re-elected by unscrupulous means. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
Coren and Krill we be re-elected easily by fair means.
There are, IMO, very few candidates in this let who are the type of shoe-ins who normally get elected. There's no experienced FA writers with lots of mediation experience and no battle-scars. That's indeed what makes it interesting. Last year, I'd have said someone like Cla has no chance - this year I'm not so certain.
It is also possible that very few will score over 50%, and with the latest resignation they need 9 candidates.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 6:05pm)
QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 1:01pm)
Cla68 has stepped on far too many over-sensitive, over-powerful tootsies (he's quite fearless in that regard) to pass Rfa. But as an Arb candidate he is without peer IMO. Yet I worry how much of a kiss o deth effect our support of him might have.
I wouldn't be surprised if those mugs rig the vote count and have Coren and Kirill re-elected by unscrupulous means. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
Coren maybe...but not Kirill. He can win in his own right.
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There are, IMO, very few candidates in this let who are the type of shoe-ins who normally get elected. There's no experienced FA writers with lots of mediation experience and no battle-scars. That's indeed what makes it interesting. Last year, I'd have said someone like Cla has no chance - this year I'm not so certain.
I agree. I also think that last year I'd have had no chance, and indeed I was, if not relying on, at least functioning under that assumption when I decided to run.
But yeah, I'd say there are fifteen or sixteen candidates who could reasonably be elected this year, and I don't think I'd have said that about more than three or four of us last year.
Ah culturally clueless and with limited English...I understand now! Kinda like unto bringing in the UN or EU to monitor US elections... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him). That criteria also made Cla the runner up. Basically I'm extremely annoyed by the divide between those who actually write an encyclopedia and those who don't but go around arbitratin' and administratin' those that do.
In the real poll I took some politics and self interest into consideration. Of course. And general sensibility wrt to making policy.
(Still voted for Wehwalt and Cla and I'll keep the rest of my votes to myself)
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 6:33pm)
Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him).
Silly lad, you don't quite get it, do you?
PWPs or not, most people here aren't interested in electing "content makers" to Arbcom. They want someone who will tear down the busted walls, and build something else.......
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 10:33pm)
Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him). That criteria also made Cla the runner up.
I don't like to be petulant, but I'm feeling a little left out, here.
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 6:33pm)
Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him).
Silly lad, you don't quite get it, do you?
PWPs or not, most people here aren't interested in electing "content makers" to Arbcom. They want someone who will tear down the busted walls, and build something else.......
Yeah, I don't particularly care what most people, here or elsewhere, are interested in. I do see some (well, two) candidates who appear to be interested in busting down some walls and none that want to build something else. In some form or another they're part of the status quo (except the guy who showed up in May of this year I guess) and their interest in maintaining it will only get stronger if they get elected.
And how do you expect the "something else" to be any better if the people building it have no clue about what it's like to actually write an encyclopedia? The "something else" will still suck as much, just in a different way.
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I'm feeling a little left out, here.
Although probably not so nearly left out as Ruslik0 and his sixteen featured articles are.
This year's candidates by number of featured articles (yes, I know there's more to content than featured articles):
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I don't like to be petulant, but I'm feeling a little left out, here.
Oh, come on, it is only a f**king game. You don't want to wind up like this poor shmuck who is taking it toooooo seriously -- to the point of talking out loud to himself (because no one really cares). (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)
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There are a lot more than two candidates interested in content generation.
Well, I'm new here so I'm not sure which one you are. But yes Ruslik's up there too, as is Steve and Kirill. And yes, I picked Wehwalt over the other two due to the 'there's more to content than featured articles' aspect of content creation. It's quite possible that Wehwalt just did a better job of advertising himself as a content creator then others (which for the purposes of the election may have been a bad thing).
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:07pm)
Well, I'm new here so I'm not sure which one you are. But yes Ruslik's up there too, as is Steve and Kirill. And yes, I picked Wehwalt over the other two due to the 'there's more to content than featured articles' aspect of content creation. It's quite possible that Wehwalt just did a better job of advertising himself as a content creator then others (which for the purposes of the election may have been a bad thing).
Very good - in the future you might just want to shy away from such phrases as "the guy that actually writes content". In return, I'll try to shy away from behaving like a twit.
(And I'd tell you which one I am, but I think I've acquitted myself rather badly here. If you look really hard, you can probably figure it out, though.)
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I get a kick out of how FA's and GA's an author writes make someone a more qualified arbitrator. I have always thought that Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Thoreau, and other well-known writers would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
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Well, I'm new here so I'm not sure which one you are.
Steve is the good looking Canadian guy. Whenever Maclean's needs a hard-bodied stud on its cover, they call Steve. Serious! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:15pm)
I get a kick out of how FA's and GA's an author writes make someone a more qualified arbitrator. I have always thought that Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Thoreau, and other well-known writers would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
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I get a kick out of how FA's and GA's an author writes make someone a more qualified arbitrator. I have always thought that Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Thoreau, and other well-known writers would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
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I get a kick out of how FA's and GA's an author writes make someone a more qualified arbitrator. I have always thought that Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Thoreau, and other well-known writers would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
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Well, I'm new here so I'm not sure which one you are. But yes Ruslik's up there too, as is Steve and Kirill. And yes, I picked Wehwalt over the other two due to the 'there's more to content than featured articles' aspect of content creation. It's quite possible that Wehwalt just did a better job of advertising himself as a content creator then others (which for the purposes of the election may have been a bad thing).
Very good - in the future you might just want to shy away from such phrases as "the guy that actually writes content". In return, I'll try to shy away from behaving like a twit.
(And I'd tell you which one I am, but I think I've acquitted myself rather badly here. If you look really hard, you can probably figure it out, though.)
Ah, so you made me go back and read the middle pages of this thread more carefully.
Usually I'm pretty good at avoiding these gender-specific terms when they're not appropriate though here it was meant to refer to Wehwalt who I assumed was a guy named walt. But sure, good advice.
Mostly I just wanted to pipe up and say something in support of Wehwalt who was getting no love on this thread, despite being, IMO, a very good candidate.
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 10:20pm)
Mostly I just wanted to pipe up and say something in support of Wehwalt who was getting no love on this thread, despite being, IMO, a very good candidate.
He is a good guy, but he isn't silly enough to warrant attention. The ideal candidate is smart and silly at the same time. Wehwalt has the smart part down -- he needs to work on the silly stuff. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:20pm)
Usually I'm pretty good at avoiding these gender-specific terms when they're not appropriate though here it was meant to refer to Wehwalt who I assumed was a guy named walt. But sure, good advice.
Wehwalt actually is a guy, though I don't believe he's named Walt (he explains his username here). I was objecting to the definite article combined with the singular, rather than to the gender.
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 9:15pm)
I get a kick out of how FA's and GA's an author writes make someone a more qualified arbitrator. I have always thought that Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Thoreau, and other well-known writers would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
Not a good analogy. If the only purpose of the United States of America were to write as many Great American Novels as possible, then yes, they would have made great Supreme Court Justices.
Point being, the reason why they wouldn't in reality, is that because in reality the Supreme Court adjudicates a very diverse society whose only "purpose" is something like "pursuit of happiness" or whatever. Wikipedia on the other hand has a much more narrow, specific purpose - write an encyclopedia.
A better analogy would be something like a regulator of a particular industry - got to pick somebody who at least has some clue how the widgets are made. Or here's another, crazier, one; chaplain on a ship out at sea - definitely need somebody who understands the travails of ordinary sailors, not some stinkin' land rat.
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 10:33pm)
Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him). That criteria also made Cla the runner up.
I don't like to be petulant, but I'm feeling a little left out, here.
Actively participating in this thread without making one of the pledges suggests that you are unwilling to make them. If that's the case, you (and a few others!) will have one more oppose vote in your tally.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:38pm)
Actively participating in this thread without making one of the pledges suggests that you are unwilling to make them. If that's the case, you (and a few others!) will have one more oppose vote in your tally.
You are correct. And I don't mind opposes; I do, apparently, mind opposes that stem from a belief that I'm not interested in writing content.
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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 9:27pm)
QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:20pm)
Usually I'm pretty good at avoiding these gender-specific terms when they're not appropriate though here it was meant to refer to Wehwalt who I assumed was a guy named walt. But sure, good advice.
Wehwalt actually is a guy, though I don't believe he's named Walt (he explains his username here). I was objecting to the definite article combined with the singular, rather than to the gender.
Ok, "one of the folks" then. Blame it on the fact that the WR poll lets you choose only one folk.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:38pm)
Actively participating in this thread without making one of the pledges suggests that you are unwilling to make them. If that's the case, you (and a few others!) will have one more oppose vote in your tally.
I do, apparently, mind opposes that stem from a belief that I'm not interested in writing content.
I didn't mean to suggest that (nor that I 'opposed' everyone but him in the actual voting) - I only meant to suggest that Wehwalt seemed MORE content oriented than others. Again, here we only get to choose one and apparently I'm the only one who chose him. Which seemed weird to me.
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:44pm)
I didn't mean to suggest that (nor that I 'opposed' everyone but him in the actual voting) - I only meant to suggest that Wehwalt seemed MORE content oriented than others. Again, here we only get to choose one and apparently I'm the only one who chose him. Which seemed weird to me.
No, I understand, we're good. I apologize for the shitheadery; it's unlike me (or so I like to think).
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QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 11:38pm)
Actively participating in this thread without making one of the pledges suggests that you are unwilling to make them. If that's the case, you (and a few others!) will have one more oppose vote in your tally.
You are correct. And I don't mind opposes; I do, apparently, mind opposes that stem from a belief that I'm not interested in writing content.
So you're actually taking some positions here as a candidate: you're opposed to ArbCom transparency, and you're in favor of me getting run over by a dump truck (again). I guess I have to at least give you a point for honesty.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 12:25am)
So you're actually taking some positions here as a candidate: you're opposed to ArbCom transparency, and you're in favor of me getting run over by a dump truck (again). I guess I have to at least give you a point for honesty.
1. I'm opposed to the degree of transparency that I understand you to be asking for, yes. I think this David Gerard case is one in which, with the benefit of hindsight, ArbCom probably should have been somewhat less open about its deliberations.
2. I'm fairly up on the situation that led to your desysop. I'm much less up on the Phil Sandifer situation. If I'm elected and the situation comes up, I'll evaluate it at that time (or recuse, if you feel that I couldn't be impartial given our interactions here). I'm certainly not going to go promising specific votes on cases that may or may not come up.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 3:38am)
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 3:39am)
QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd December 2009, 10:33pm)
Given only one choice in this particular poll I threw the politics and self-interest out the window and went with Wehwalt since he seems like the guy that actually writes content unlike the rest of the "Professional Wiki Politicians" (PWPs - I realize most of the readership even here belongs to that category in some sense) on the list (don't know much else beside that about him). That criteria also made Cla the runner up.
I don't like to be petulant, but I'm feeling a little left out, here.
Actively participating in this thread without making one of the pledges suggests that you are unwilling to make them. If that's the case, you (and a few others!) will have one more oppose vote in your tally.
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 6:27am)
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
You never addressed my question about RfA. Why is it that you've never run again?
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Cla68 is too good for ArbCom, it'd be the ruin of him.
I don't understand why he's running for ArbCom when he's not an admin. I don't think there's much doubt at all that he'd pass an RfA now, so why doesn't he run for that again? Having only admins run for ArbCom has two benefits: first, it requires that every candidate has already received a community endorsement and thus it helps to filter out the waste-of-time candidates, and second, it requires that every candidate have had some experience working on administrative tasks and the implementation of rules--it seems like an arbitrator who didn't have that experience could be at a serious disadvantage. But having said all that, Cla68 can have my vote if he just makes a pledge on one of the two issues I described earlier in the thread.
It is probably worth noting the bar for election to arbcom is around 50% and the bar for election to adminship is still at the 70-75% range, so for him it is probably about the same odds if not easier for arbcom.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:07am)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 6:27am)
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
You never addressed my question about RfA. Why is it that you've never run again?
No one who has offered to nominate me has followed through and actually posted the nomination. I'm not upset about it. If I really wanted to try to be an admin I'm sure I could have just asked enough people until I found someone willing and able to follow through.
In my answers to the questions on my candidate page, I stated that I felt that having admin privileges was necessary for the position. Thinking about it more, however, I realize that whenever I've wanted or needed to read an admin deleted page or needed admin assistance in some other way, I've never had any trouble finding a helpful admin to provide assistance. So, if I'm elected and the Committee decides not to grant me admin privileges, I don't think that will be a big deal.
Phooey! No talk about the real issues: Tiger Woods' girlfriends, breast implants, blondes versus brunettes versus redheads, etc. What kind of interview is this? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:23am)
QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:07am)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 6:27am)
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
You never addressed my question about RfA. Why is it that you've never run again?
No one who has offered to nominate me has followed through and actually posted the nomination. I'm not upset about it. If I really wanted to try to be an admin I'm sure I could have just asked enough people until I found someone willing and able to follow through.
In my answers to the questions on my candidate page, I stated that I felt that having admin privileges was necessary for the position. Thinking about it more, however, I realize that whenever I've wanted or needed to read an admin deleted page or needed admin assistance in some other way, I've never had any trouble finding a helpful admin to provide assistance. So, if I'm elected and the Committee decides not to grant me admin privileges, I don't think that will be a big deal.
That seems reasonable. I think someone should be an admin before becoming an arbitrator, although it wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me if someone was otherwise a good candidate. Another question, though: why do you think it's reasonable for the ArbCom to classify me as some kind of stalker? Do you seriously believe I've done anything to warrant that? If any kind of "restraining order" were necessary, don't you think a mutual restriction would be more reasonable in light of the history?
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QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 9:39pm)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:23am)
QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:07am)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 6:27am)
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
You never addressed my question about RfA. Why is it that you've never run again?
No one who has offered to nominate me has followed through and actually posted the nomination. I'm not upset about it. If I really wanted to try to be an admin I'm sure I could have just asked enough people until I found someone willing and able to follow through.
In my answers to the questions on my candidate page, I stated that I felt that having admin privileges was necessary for the position. Thinking about it more, however, I realize that whenever I've wanted or needed to read an admin deleted page or needed admin assistance in some other way, I've never had any trouble finding a helpful admin to provide assistance. So, if I'm elected and the Committee decides not to grant me admin privileges, I don't think that will be a big deal.
That seems reasonable. I think someone should be an admin before becoming an arbitrator, although it wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me if someone was otherwise a good candidate. Another question, though: why do you think it's reasonable for the ArbCom to classify me as some kind of stalker? Do you seriously believe I've done anything to warrant that? If any kind of "restraining order" were necessary, don't you think a mutual restriction would be more reasonable in light of the history?
Remember, ArbCom has placed a similar restriction on me also. They should have given the same restriction to the the other guy that they placed on you. It's too late for that now.
Won't help if it's being used as a verbal placeholder, to gain time to think.
What about...erm...?
If it's between sentences, or used as a preface, sometimes I've heard an attorney usefully replace "Uhh" with "Now..."
This sounds much more professional, for some reason.
"Now... moving on with the questioning, Mr. Smith... do you have any idea what I'm billing for this turkey of a depo?" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 10:23am)
In my answers to the questions on my candidate page, I stated that I felt that having admin privileges was necessary for the position. Thinking about it more, however, I realize that whenever I've wanted or needed to read an admin deleted page or needed admin assistance in some other way, I've never had any trouble finding a helpful admin to provide assistance. So, if I'm elected and the Committee decides not to grant me admin privileges, I don't think that will be a big deal.
Actually, admin and all other Power Bits should be summarily stripped from everyone who serves as an arbitrator. If they want them, just give 'em back when they leave.
Phooey! No talk about the real issues: Tiger Woods' girlfriends, breast implants, blondes versus brunettes versus redheads, etc. What kind of interview is this? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 4th December 2009, 12:08am)
Remember, ArbCom has placed a similar restriction on me also. They should have given the same restriction to the the other guy that they placed on you. It's too late for that now.
Too late? They can change it at any time. If the 2009 (or 2010) ArbCom wants to reaffirm what the 2005 ArbCom did, then I will hold the 2009 (or 2010) ArbCom responsible for it just as if they'd made the original ruling. The 2005 ArbCom is gone (well, maybe not entirely gone, since the ghost of Kelly Martin still haunts this forum (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif))--any restrictions currently in place are entirely the responsibility of the currently sitting arbitrators. As an aspiring arbitrator, you should understand that. Are you saying it's "reasonable" to continue to impose a punishment even while acknowledging that the original decision to impose the punishment was in error?
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:08pm)
QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 9:39pm)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:23am)
QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:07am)
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 6:27am)
I already stated in my answers to the questions on my candidate page that I was committed to openness. I've made it clear that I don't think you have been treated fairly in the past, but the most recent ArbCom ruling on your situation seemed reasonable to me. So, I guess I can't make the pledge that you're looking for.
You never addressed my question about RfA. Why is it that you've never run again?
No one who has offered to nominate me has followed through and actually posted the nomination. I'm not upset about it. If I really wanted to try to be an admin I'm sure I could have just asked enough people until I found someone willing and able to follow through.
In my answers to the questions on my candidate page, I stated that I felt that having admin privileges was necessary for the position. Thinking about it more, however, I realize that whenever I've wanted or needed to read an admin deleted page or needed admin assistance in some other way, I've never had any trouble finding a helpful admin to provide assistance. So, if I'm elected and the Committee decides not to grant me admin privileges, I don't think that will be a big deal.
That seems reasonable. I think someone should be an admin before becoming an arbitrator, although it wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me if someone was otherwise a good candidate. Another question, though: why do you think it's reasonable for the ArbCom to classify me as some kind of stalker? Do you seriously believe I've done anything to warrant that? If any kind of "restraining order" were necessary, don't you think a mutual restriction would be more reasonable in light of the history?
Remember, ArbCom has placed a similar restriction on me also. They should have given the same restriction to the the other guy that they placed on you. It's too late for that now.
I voted that I wasn't going to "vote" in the ArbCom elections, but you may just have changed my mind. It's about time that ArbCom wasn't the sole preserve of administrators.
Further evidence that Wikivoices has been hijacked and turned into another propaganda tool. (don't think that Harvester Boris, groks the irony of his stance either).
We need an alternative, comrades...since we cannot, yet, take back our "pedia", let's at least take back our "radio".
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 4:13pm)
"Now... moving on with the questioning, Mr. Smith... do you have any idea what I'm billing for this turkey of a depo?" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)
Mr Roe did you uh, did you uh, did you uh... know that the focus of this here uh, this uh, this investigation would be on your uh, your uh sexual problems?
On another note, to DTobias, I loved the ending of the interview with Fred. And now it's linked up on my page. Why isn't the link to a WikiVoices page? Did they shut you down for being too aggressive in your line of questioning?
By the way, I've now given Fred a neutral (don't hit me, stop hitting me!) and given Fritz a thumbs up.
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QUOTE(taiwopanfob @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:22pm)
Actually, admin and all other Power Bits should be summarily stripped from everyone who serves as an arbitrator. If they want them, just give 'em back when they leave.
We (the arbitrators) need access to administrator tools such as the ability to review deleted contributions in order to decide some of the cases. Some arbs also do a lot of the checkuser and oversight work, partly because it becomes relevant to cases and partly because we've already been elected and therefore have the community trust necessary to these assignments.
One could make an argument that arbitrators shouldn't use their tools for routine administrator work during their tenure as arbitrators. As a practical matter, there are only so many hours in the wiki-day and I don't think many arbs spend lots of time doing usual admin tasks such as closing XfDs, patrolling AIV, resolving issues on ANI, and the like. (This is partly because of time limitations and partly because of the desire to reduce the potential number of recusal situations.) On the other hand, if I see a blatant vandal doing damage or a ridiculously inappropriate page posted, I don't think it would add any value if I had to report it to another administrator rather than deal with it myself, just because I happen to also be an arbitrator.
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Who gets the WR endorsement for Arbcom09, Could be the kiss of death?
