Mackan79 kicks SlimVirgin while down, When else, after all, are you going to kick someone? Options

[Random832]

Troll Alert! Troll Alert! We must block Tor, we must block Tor. Oh, bother, we've just blocked Slim and her socks. Ah, we need a new policy. How can we dress that up? I know, AGF works well for booting out trolls, we can use that test here. How small an exception is the exception to an exception for unestablished users?

Administrators are already immune to IP blocks.

[The Joy]

Troll Alert! Troll Alert! We must block Tor, we must block Tor. Oh, bother, we've just blocked Slim and her socks. Ah, we need a new policy. How can we dress that up? I know, AGF works well for booting out trolls, we can use that test here. How small an exception is the exception to an exception for unestablished users?

Administrators are already immune to IP blocks.

So when another administrator blocks another administrator, the block really doesn't work?

[gomi]

So when another administrator blocks another administrator, the block really doesn't work?

Blocks by name work for admins, but of course they can reverse them themselves. IP blocks do not apply to admins.

[Alison]

Troll Alert! Troll Alert! We must block Tor, we must block Tor. Oh, bother, we've just blocked Slim and her socks. Ah, we need a new policy. How can we dress that up? I know, AGF works well for booting out trolls, we can use that test here. How small an exception is the exception to an exception for unestablished users?

Administrators are already immune to IP blocks.

So when another administrator blocks another administrator, the block really doesn't work?

It works because your account is directly blocked - autoblocks don't work on admins, for example - but a direct block can obviously be overridden by the blocked admin. Which is, of course, a Really Bad Thing.

Back when the last one or two rouge events occurred, I remember the admin being blocked, then unblocking themselves seconds later.

[privatemusings]

i could be wrong, but i think admin.s can no longer unblock themselves...

[Alison]

i could be wrong, but i think admin.s can no longer unblock themselves...

I think you could be wrong

Go to wiki.xyrael, get sysop access (I'm 'crat there) and try it out for yourself

[everyking]

It works because your account is directly blocked - autoblocks don't work on admins, for example - but a direct block can obviously be overridden by the blocked admin. Which is, of course, a Really Bad Thing.

Back when the last one or two rouge events occurred, I remember the admin being blocked, then unblocking themselves seconds later.

Autoblock does work on admins, or at least it used to. I remember many occasions when someone would unblock me but the autoblock would still be there, and I'd have to request that somebody kill the autoblock too.

[Viridae]

i could be wrong, but i think admin.s can no longer unblock themselves...

I think you could be wrong

Go to wiki.xyrael, get sysop access (I'm 'crat there) and try it out for yourself

Im on there, same username. And request all the access levels you can give

[Alison]

i could be wrong, but i think admin.s can no longer unblock themselves...

I think you could be wrong

Go to wiki.xyrael, get sysop access (I'm 'crat there) and try it out for yourself

Im on there, same username. And request all the access levels you can give

You iz teh sysop. Easiest. RFA. Evar!

Oh, and loldongs - very important, that Give me a week or so and I'll set the 'crat bit

This post has been edited by Alison: Fri 28th March 2008, 7:28am

[Viridae]

Whats loldongs and sherrif?

[Somey]

Whats loldongs and sherrif?

Wasn't that a British TV sitcom from the late 70's?

[Alison]

Whats loldongs and sherrif?

loldongs = doesn't do much.

sheriff = can de-sysop other admins. Poor-man's steward

[Pumpkin Muffins]

Troll Alert! Troll Alert! We must block Tor, we must block Tor. Oh, bother, we've just blocked Slim and her socks. Ah, we need a new policy. How can we dress that up? I know, AGF works well for booting out trolls, we can use that test here. How small an exception is the exception to an exception for unestablished users?

Administrators are already immune to IP blocks.

Not necessarily. A an ip block defaults to just blocking ip's, but it can also be set to block the ip and any registered user going through that ip (last time I looked). This would include administrators, but then administrators can remove the block, whether it is an ip block or a user block.

i could be wrong, but i think admin.s can no longer unblock themselves...

The last time I looked admins could unblock themselves, but doing so invites an emergency desysoping.

This post has been edited by Pumpkin Muffins: Fri 28th March 2008, 7:28am

[jorge]

Whats loldongs and sherrif?

It's NumberWang!

[Random832]

Not necessarily. A an ip block defaults to just blocking ip's, but it can also be set to block the ip and any registered user going through that ip (last time I looked).

You are speaking of the difference between a "soft" block and a "hard" block. Neither type of block on an IP address affects administrators editing from that IP.

Or, to put it more explicitly - the fine-grained permission bit that the proposal is suggesting creating a new user group for, is already part of the sysop "package", so the new group - like rollbacker - would be absolutely meaningless on an administrator.

phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php:

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$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['ipblock-exempt']   = true;

This post has been edited by Random832: Fri 28th March 2008, 2:22pm